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Post new topics below! Drago  (talk)      11:03, January 1, 2019 (EST)

Image category organization
I noticed that there's an incomplete organizational setup involving image categories in the wiki. There seems to be a useful category, Category:Animal Crossing: New Leaf pictures (see talk page), that was left unused mostly and I questioned if it's necessary. I do think there can be use for that category, but only if other similar subcategories of images are created (e.g. Animal Crossing: New Leaf flowers), so I think we should create more categories (while also completing this category) and if those subcategories make sense. 19:13, January 1, 2020 (EST)
 * This discussion could be an extension of 2019#Creation of subcategories for . Sorting things out would be great for those categories, but may require tedious work. I'm actually working on scripts that could do exactly that, which have to be sanctioned of course, but there needs to be some agreement on which categories are needed. I'm thinking of the following archetype for New Leaf, which still needs refinement:
 * Category:New Leaf images (Rationale for such format: (1) Category:Welcome amiibo Images uses the short name, (2) Category:Animal Crossing: New Horizons images uses lowercase, and (3) "New Leaf" and so on are already unambiguous.)
 * Category:New Leaf screenshots (most screenshots in Category:Animal Crossing: New Leaf Images that don't apply in subsequent categories)
 * Category:New Leaf pre-release screenshots (Category:Animal Crossing: New Leaf pre-release images could be moved to this since there are only images of screenshots and nothing else in said category)
 * Category:New Leaf villager houses (File:House of Etoile NLa.jpg), could be a subcategory of Category:Villager houses
 * Category:New Leaf letters (File:Letter Isabelle NL Town Anniversary.jpg and in Category:Letters)
 * Category:New Leaf events (File:Toy Day NL wrong present aftermath.jpg)
 * Category:New Leaf pictures (File:ResettiPicACNL.png; also why are most pictures in Category:Welcome amiibo Images?!
 * Category:New Leaf furniture (File:24 Hour Counter.jpg; there doesn't seem to be much since we're using HHD icons)
 * Category:New Leaf sprites (File:30,000 Bells NL Icon.png)
 * Category:New Leaf clothing
 * Category:New Leaf bottoms (File:Arctic-camo Pants.jpg and in Category:Bottoms)
 * Category:New Leaf tops (File:Blue Diamond Shirt.jpg and in Category:Tops)
 * Category:New Leaf dresses (File:Pharaoh's Outfit.jpg and in Category:Dresses)
 * Category:New Leaf footwear (including socks and shoes)
 * Category:New Leaf bugs (File:New Leaf Museum Butterflies.jpg)
 * Category:New Leaf fish (File:NL-fsh-suzuki.png and most in Category:Fish Images)
 * Category:New Leaf deep sea creatures (File:Lobster NL.png)
 * Category:New Leaf character art (File:Angus NL.png and File:Katie NLa.png)
 * Category:New Leaf model renders (File:Chip NL Model.png; should not include those such as File:NL-fsh-suzuki.png)
 * Some of these may potentially be overkill (letters? or categories for types of clothing if there aren't much to begin with?) although the archetype shown above could be used as a basis for further discussion on this topic. My rationale for this is to facilitate searching for media, as the current Category:Animal Crossing: New Leaf Images is too polluted, and the only way to search for, for instance, a particular villager's picture is to go to their article. I have also noted the omission of  in naming these categories, which can also be discussed. (Also can we archive discussions above this one to Nookipedia talk:Community Fountain/2019?) User:DecomposerEmotion Icon - Curiosity (NL) cropped.pngEmotion Icon - Pride (NL) cropped.png 04:46, January 2, 2020 (EST)


 * I'm in agreement with all of these categories including the shortening of the category names to remove the leading 'Animal Crossing'. I would also propose that we put the system into place for all future images uploaded to the site and start retroactively organizing images beginning with . One more note, we actually have lots of (non-HHD icon) images of ACNL furniture, they're just categorized in Category:Game Screenshots along with thousands of other images. I believe most of them were uploaded by Mario though, so we could find a good chunk of them by sorting through their contributions. Let me know if there's anything I can do to help with this. Sunmarshsignature.png  ( talk )  23:49, January 2, 2020 (EST)
 * I don't know if Administrators and whatnot have tools for mass editing all the pages linked in some page with specific criteria. For instance, all files in Picture that end with  are part of Category:Animal Crossing: Wild World pictures (apparently that category already exists!), and those ending in   should be part of Category:Animal Crossing: New Leaf pictures (but they aren't). I'm seeing if I can add arbitrary text (e.g.,  ) to all pages that are linked there that meet said criteria, and I will conduct a few tests in Pictures in the coming days before finally categorizing all of them. (For developers, the libraries I am writing are all in sonchou and go-mwclient.)
 * I think it's best that the categories be first created?, if you strongly believe that these categories are appropriate, could you create them and populate with some pictures belonging to said categories, as well as move Category:Animal Crossing: New Leaf Images, Category:Animal Crossing: New Leaf screenshots, and other established categories, at least for New Leaf only, to their shortened forms? Because I'm thinking of waiting for other opinions on such a heavy topic (considering it deals with how we categorize Nookipedia media) and establishing consensus. User:DecomposerEmotion Icon - Curiosity (NL) cropped.pngEmotion Icon - Pride (NL) cropped.png 00:52, January 3, 2020 (EST)
 * If they're overkill, that's fine. Just be bold. :) I did also upload a lot of images from the Prima Guide for New Leaf (RIP Prima), but didn't categorize them because the category, don't think it existed? We should definitely create more categories before more images get uploaded and we get swamped. Heck, I'm working on uploading custom furniture images. There should be a category for images of refurbished furniture (subcategory under furniture), by the way. 01:01, January 3, 2020 (EST)


 * I've made all of the proposed categories for and  and tried to tag all the old categories with move requests, but I'm sure I missed some. We have a text-replacement tool, so it would be relatively simple to move all images from one category to another, however to my knowledge, there would be no way to select just a subset of images in a category to recategorize. HotCat which makes the process quicker but still requires per-image category adjustment; this tool is available to everyone. Also I didn't mean to place any blame on you  for not categorizing the images- we didn't have a system set up at the time. I appreciate the time taken to upload all the images in the first place! $)$ I'll move some sample images into the new categories where available and will move existing categories to their new location over the next few days, if there are no objections. Sunmarshsignature.png  ( talk )  15:00, January 3, 2020 (EST)
 * Just wanted to update here that I had placed at least one image in each of the newly created categories. I will be mass-replacing categories tomorrow (e.g. Category:Animal Crossing: New Leaf Images becomes Category:New Leaf images) and then deleting the old categories. So speak now or forever hold your piece lol. Sunmarshsignature.png  ( talk ) 
 * Another update: All existing ACNL & ACNH categories and their images have been migrated to the new categories. Let me know if I missed any. I tried to fix any templates that would be affected by this (like Infobox Villager, Fish, and Bug), and I think I got them all, but I'm sure there is something I missed. If you know of a template that uses  you might want to check it. Sunmarshsignature.png  ( talk )  21:21, January 5, 2020 (EST)
 * ?Final? update: Categories for all games (that I could find) have been moved to their new location. I double checked the former categories to make sure no images were left behind. I also checked to make sure that any templates that are using  have been updated appropriately. The only thing left to do is to make sure all uploaded images have been (properly) categorized, and I suppose sometime down the line we might want to consider creating additional category pages for games prior to New Leaf to further categorize those images. Sunmarshsignature.png  ( talk )  16:35, January 6, 2020 (EST)

Excellent work in recategorizing and populating, all! Regarding other games than New Leaf, the above archetype can be modified to suit each game, depending on the media available in each of Category:Images by game:


 * Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) images (should supersede Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) Images)
 * Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) screenshots (already exists but some images here could be recategorized e.g., to letters or events)
 * Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) sprites (File:10,000 Bells PG Icon.png and those that end in  or  )
 * Category:Sprites in Animal Island (File:AIGarbageSprite.png)
 * Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) artwork (File:AbleSistersArtworkGCN.jpeg, File:ACHouseWallpaper.jpg)
 * Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) merchandise (File:ACGCCalendarFront.png)
 * Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) letters (File:Letter Mom someone special ACGC.png and in Category:Letters)
 * Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) events (File:PGKatrinaNewYearsDayAdvice.png, File:FireworksAC.jpg)
 * Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) bugs (File:GCNPillBug.png and, although somehow there are also File:RedDragonFlyGCN.png and File:Red Dragonfly (Animal Crossing).png, which follow different naming conventions)
 * Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) fish (should supersede Category:Animal Forest+ fish) (File:Giant Catfish PG Icon.png, File:Giant Catfish sprite.png, and File:AngelfishGCN.png all have different naming conventions)
 * Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) character art (File:Ace PG.png and, but also Resetti PG Japan.png and  )
 * Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) model renders (File:Ellie PG Model.png and )
 * Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) villager houses (File:House of Tad.jpg; File:House of Blaire PG.png and )


 * Category:Doubutsu no Mori images (should supersede Category:Doubutsu no Mori Images as per lowercase discussion)
 * Category:Doubutsu no Mori character art (File:Bangle DnM.png and )
 * Category:Doubutsu no Mori screenshots (File:Bell Shrine DnM.png)
 * Category:Doubutsu no Mori villager houses (File:House of Sven DnM.jpg and )
 * Category:Doubutsu no Mori bugs (File:BandedDragonflyGCN.png; should supersede Category:Animal Forest bugs, )
 * Category:Doubutsu no Mori fish (File:BassGCN.png; should supersede Category:Animal Forest fish, )


 * Category:Doubutsu no Mori e+ images (should supersede Category:Doubutsu no Mori e+ Images as per lowercase discussion)
 * Category:Doubutsu no Mori e+ character art (File:Alice DnMe+.png and )
 * Category:Doubutsu no Mori e+ screenshots (File:DnMe+Benedict.png, File:DnMe+TitleScreen.png)
 * Category:Doubutsu no Mori e+ bugs (should supersede Category:Animal Forest e+ bugs)
 * Category:Doubutsu no Mori e+ fish (should supersede Category:Animal Forest e+ fish)
 * Category:Doubutsu no Mori e+ villager houses (File:House of Chrissy DnMe+.png and )
 * Category:e-Reader cards (File:Animal Forest e+ e-Card 003 (Rod).png and ; would be a subcategory for Category:Cards)


 * Category:Wild World images
 * Category:Wild World character art (File:Agent S WW.png and )
 * Category:Wild World bugs (File:Agrias Butterfly WW Icon.png)
 * Category:Wild World fish (File:Angelfish WW.png)
 * Category:Wild World pictures (already exists)
 * Category:Wild World sprites (File:Dandelion.gif, File:Golden Shovel.gif, File:Off Air Test WW JP.png)
 * Category:Wild World villager houses (File:House of Bill WW.jpg)
 * Category:Wild World artwork (File:K.K. Slider WW Wallpaper.jpg, File:SeasonsWW.jpg)
 * Category:Wild World letters (File:Letter Mom great dad WW.gif, ; File:WWHayseedHilda.jpg)
 * Category:Wild World model renders (File:Pinky WW Model.png)
 * Category:Wild World screenshots
 * Category:Wild World pre-release screenshots (File:Wild World Beta 1.jpg, File:WWBetaPockets1.jpg, File:Wild World Beta 4.jpg)
 * Category:Wild World events (File:Yay Day.jpg)


 * Category:City Folk images
 * Category:City Folk character art (File:Amelia CF.png)
 * Category:City Folk model renders (File:Apollo CF Model.png)
 * Category:City Folk screenshots (File:BusStop-City.png, File:CFBudEyelashLady.jpg)
 * Category:City Folk sprites (File:Bell CF Icon L.png, File:1,000 Bells CF Icon.png)
 * Category:City Folk emotion icons (File:Agreement CF Icon.png, File:Outrage CF Icon.png; these may be absorbed in sprites though)
 * Category:City Folk events (File:CFTortimerNewYear.jpeg, File:Fireworks-InTheSky.jpg)
 * Category:City Folk villager houses (File:House of Alfonso CF.jpg)


 * Category:Happy Home Designer images (see discussion in Category talk:Animal Crossing: New Leaf pictures)
 * Category:Happy Home Designer screenshots (anything that does not fall in the subsequent categories e.g., File:Department store 3.PNG, File:HHDCroqueSomeNumber.jpg)
 * Category:Happy Home Designer requests (File:Astrid HHD Request.png, File:AlfonsoHHD.png)
 * Category:Happy Home Designer character art (File:Alfonso HHD.png)
 * Category:Happy Home Designer character icons (already populated)
 * Category:Happy Home Designer bug sprites (File:Darner Dragonfly HHD Icon.png; images like these are uncategorized)
 * Category:Happy Home Designer fish sprites (File:Pale Chub HHD Icon.png; images like these are uncategorized)
 * Category:Happy Home Designer furniture icons (other images are scattered in other categories)
 * Category:Happy Home Designer clothing icons (File:Alpinist Dress HHD Icon.png; so far the only image I've seen)


 * Category:amiibo Festival images (should supersede Category:Amiibo Festival Images as per lowercase discussion)
 * Category:amiibo Festival character art (File:Timmy & Tommy AF.png, File:Reese AF.png; )
 * Category:amiibo Festival character icons (File:BroccoloAMFIcon.png; ). These just need to be decategorized from the parent categories.
 * Category:amiibo Festival screenshots (File:AmiiboFestival-DieRoll.jpg and images in Animal Crossing: amiibo Festival/Gallery)


 * Category:Welcome amiibo images (should be a subcategory of Category:New Leaf images, or should they be separate?)
 * Category:Welcome amiibo character icons (File:Tipper WA Icon.png, File:Patty WA Icon.png)
 * Category:Welcome amiibo RVs (File:RV of Boots.JPG)
 * Category:amiibo cards (File:005 Kapp'n amiibo card NA.png)
 * On whether categories should be separate from the New Leaf branch should be deliberated (see below)

(The above list is incomplete and anyone is free to expound on them. I will be expounding much more on the following day.) The following are further comments and realizations in writing the above list: Any further comments and suggestions on everything written above? User:Decomposer 09:54, January 7, 2020 (EST) (edited 07:09, January 11, 2020 (EST))
 * Category:New Leaf furniture may be inconsistent with "Category:Wild World furniture items". Migrating the former to the latter format could be done by hand since it's only nine images, although I'm more inclined towards the former, which may require mass renaming. Rationale is that  can also contain the furniture series available to such a game, whereas   would sound less "natural". See below point.
 * Category:New Leaf bugs is a category containing the bugs available for New Leaf, but can also contain the media for said bugs. Similarly, categories  and   could do the same. I was thinking of doing something like Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) bug images, but that may be too unnecessary.
 * 1) I have noted above that Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) fish should supersede Category:Animal Forest+ fish. The vocabulary used in Nookipedia when referring to the GameCube games does not seem to be uniform: we have three words for the localized release: Animal Forest+ (Category:New characters in Animal Forest +), Doubutsu no Mori+ (Doubutsu no Mori+, whose merge with Animal Crossing (GCN) is pending), and Animal Crossing (GCN) (Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) Images). (I treated the two as one game since Animal Crossing (video game) states that Animal Crossing is just Doubutsu no Mori+ (どうぶつの森＋)) A similar situation is seen in Animal Forest e+ (Category:Animal Forest e+ bugs) and Doubutsu no Mori e+ (Category:Doubutsu no Mori e+ Images). The deletion of Template:AF, Template:AF+, and Template:AFe+ should signal that the Animal Forest name should be superseded by Doubutsu no Mori, Animal Crossing (GCN), and Doubutsu no Mori e+.
 * 2) * Apparently there are some images that are shared between the GameCube games such as their sprites (should File:GCNAircheck.png belong to PG Sprites or DnM Sprites?). Perhaps Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) sprites is the best compromise for sprites that are shared among GameCube games.
 * 3) Some files have really weird naming conventions as shown above, with some types of images being more uniform (e.g.,   and   for villager houses and character art), and other types being, well, like File:Giant Catfish PG Icon.png, File:Giant Catfish sprite.png, and File:AngelfishGCN.png. Discussion about media nomenclature could be done as another topic here, which should base from precedent and Nookipedia:Project Images, although categorization could be done first and, once images are in their respective categories, they can be renamed using a set of rules.
 * 4) * A note could be made here regarding the villager houses media. There are files which are named, wthout any game information. I moved some of these but further search and replace should be done.
 * 5) The Welcome amiibo update has introduced several new characters, such as Buzz, and together with them their villager picture and character art. Should these be placed in the New Leaf categories described earlier, or should they be placed in different Welcome amiibo categories which would be subcategories of their New Leaf counterparts? I'm leaning towards doing the latter, unless if some would voice that they should be absorbed into the New Leaf categories.


 * Alright, I'm in support of all of the proposed categories and will start creating them (or you can start if you'd like) over the next few days. I will also rename any existing categories to fit with the established naming system during that time. For point #1, I agree with using  and so I will move images from "Category:Wild World furniture items" (and Category:E+ Items). For #2, I don't think we need a separate category for bug images and we can just let them populate the same page (although that then begs the question of whether we need two categories for characters vs character art). I think that the real question is whether having images in a category affects the function of the #incat: parameter?


 * For #3 I agree that the Animal Forest categories are outdated and need to be renamed. Also, in accordance with the Romaji standard established by I believe that the correct spelling is now Dōbutsu no Mori. I think I'm the one who originally proposed the change to Doubutsu no Mori, and I think Nintendo has used both forms (although most recently made use of Dōbutsu no Mori on their merchandise from Nintendo Store Tokyo). The point of adopting a standard is to use it consistently though, so that's what I will use for the rename of all categories beginning with 'Doubutsu'.


 * Speaking of, while I agree with and support the merge with as it is the Japanese version of the game, it features many localization differences that I think are notable enough that the game should get it's own subcategory within Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) images. And then I think subcats for DnM+ should also be created for all other AC (GCN) categories as needed. I would be open to hearing other opinions on this though.


 * As far as goes, I think that images of  exclusive characters, items, locations, etc. should definitely get their own subcategory under New Leaf. Sunmarshsignature.png  ( talk )  15:43, January 12, 2020 (EST)
 * I've created several of the above categories, although with some changes: decided to go with Category:Wild World box art instead of "artwork" to disambiguate from artwork as in Art, as well as Category:Happy Home Designer villager houses instead of "requests," as the screenshots are, after all, screenshots of villager houses that clients have requested, and so that it may fit in Category:Villager houses. With regards to media affecting #incat, mw:Extension:PageInCat doesn't say anything about undefined behavior and media in categories so I think this should be fine, although the media in categories does bring a question (see below).
 * On what you've said regarding the GameCube series, I am not an expert on the series, so I have not created those categories yet. The games' differences are more distinct on some categories e.g., character art than on others e.g., sprites. More discussion should be needed on which media categories should be created for these games
 * On regards to characters vs character art, I think the different types of media for characters (character art, character icons, and model renders) is sufficient grounds for subcategorization. I don't think this can be said for bugs or fish for any specific game (although bug sprites e.g., File:Birdwing Butterfly WW Icon.png and bug images File:Birdwing butterfly (Wild World).gif in could be grounds to subcategorize between the two, (sidetrack) although by then, wouldn't it be better for these to be accessible inside a common category and rename them to some fixed convention e.g.,   and   so that the user may be able to get the appropriate media wthout going down several categories? ), although that does bring to a more fundamental question: should there be separate categories for media and pages? Because with regards to category unification for page and media categories for bugs and fish, I have laid down two tracks that could be done in their subcategorization:
 * Categorize game-specific bugs and game-specific fish to the same category for the pages for these bugs, implying that a media-only subcategory is unnecessary.
 * Category:Insect images and Category:Fish Images would be unnecessary, thus requiring the images there to be recategorized to these game-specific categories of bugs and fish. Category:Wild World bugs and related would not be subcategories of Category:Wild World images as they do not represent only images.
 * Category:Event screenshots would also be unnecessary, as screenshots here are definitely screenshots of game-specific events which could be categorized to Category:Wild World events, Category:City Folk events, and so on. All of which are still not subcategories of their games' respective image categories.
 * Category:Happy Home Designer bug sprites and Category:Happy Home Designer fish sprites would be placed directly under Category:Happy Home Designer images and Category:Game Sprites.
 * Place all media in separate categories, forgoing unification.
 * Keep Category:Insect images (move to Category:Bug images), Category:Fish Images (move to Category:Fish images), and Category:Event screenshots, which will collect the subsequent media. These will not be subcategories of Category:Bugs and Category:Events as they do not necessarily represent classifications of bugs or events unless if a compelling argument is provided that they should be.
 * Create Category:Wild World bug images, Category:Wild World event screenshots, and related which would be subcategories of their respective games' image categories e.g., Category:Wild World images.
 * These subcategories will not be subcategories of Category:Wild World bugs and Category:Wild World events because they are not classifications of bugs or events that appear in, say, Wild World unless if a compelling argument is provided that they should be.
 * Category:Happy Home Designer bug sprites and Category:Happy Home Designer fish sprites would be placed under Category:Happy Home Designer images, Category:Game Sprites, and Category:Bug images/Category:Fish images.
 * Option 2 could sound appealing as it gives media a direct link to Category:Images (which, I mean, they are), but at the same time Option 1 would allow media to be integrated with the pages they refer to. I would be more inclined to Option 1, but listing the implications of both I have to say that Option 2 sounds much better. As this will affect how images will be categorized in the future, consensus on this topic should be established firmly before pursuing categorization of these images. is the project leader for Nookipedia:Project Images, and should have experience regarding images, although he hasn't been around for some time. In addition, we could look at other wikis at NIWA have been doing: what categorization does Bulbapedia (which keeps its media in a separate repository altogether) or Pikipedia or Mariowiki use? I do not visit their websites, but looking at around five minutes shows that they categorize their media separately from their files (Option 2), although someone who is more experienced there should lay down what method they use. (Appending signature so that discussion on this could continue here) User:DecomposerEmotion Icon - Curiosity (NL) cropped.pngEmotion Icon - Pride (NL) cropped.png 12:01, January 14, 2020 (EST) Respond to this at the very end.
 * With regards to other categories that are more clear, such as on villager houses, I'm still working on if I could write a script that could run a function to all pages (or files) in a specific category. For instance, those that start with "House of" and end with "NL.png" are definitely members of Category:New Leaf villager houses. I'll link the source code here in a few days. User:DecomposerEmotion Icon - Curiosity (NL) cropped.pngEmotion Icon - Pride (NL) cropped.png 12:01, January 14, 2020 (EST)
 * Here's the script for those concerned before I run it for good. Do feel free to inspect it. Looking at the Recent changes, it looks like it performs its job well. If there are no complaints with me running scripts here and there, I'll go run it in two days from now. User:DecomposerEmotion Icon - Curiosity (NL) cropped.pngEmotion Icon - Pride (NL) cropped.png 06:56, January 15, 2020 (EST)
 * Done. I'll see if I could write similar categorizing functions for others such as character art that could fit into this PageFunction archetype written, although it'll take some time. For the meantime, Option 1, 2, or are there any suggestions for such categorization? User:DecomposerEmotion Icon - Curiosity (NL) cropped.pngEmotion Icon - Pride (NL) cropped.png 08:30, January 17, 2020 (EST)


 * Looking at how other wikis do things... on Inkipedia for example all images of Clothing are in Category:Clothing, and then only clothing pages are listed in Category:Clothing in Splatoon 2. This would be like us putting fish images from all games in Category:Fish and then only listing specific fish pages in Category:New Leaf fish etc. On Bulbapedia (and Inkipedia) they don't have categories of 'images'. They simply tag an image with the game it comes from. So all images relating to ACWW would be tagged 'Wild World'. Screenshots for all games are tagged 'Game screenshots'. Sprites are distinguished on Bulbapedia with their own categories separated by game (e.g. Category:Pokemon Yellow sprites).


 * So, basically... I think we already favor a more nuanced categorization system than other wikis, and therefore copying the way other wikis do things would involve making major changes which I don't think are really worth it (or even necessarily more helpful).


 * After thinking things over for a while, I think I, like you, initially favored option 1, but the more I thought about it I think that it just makes more sense to separate the media because it seems to follow a trend we have already established. Additionally this way you should be able to find a nuanced category for any image you're looking for by searching by game (e.g. City Folk images, New Leaf images etc.). I would want to include some sort of hatnote though at the top of Category:New Leaf bugs for example, that reads something like 'For media related to this category see Category:New Leaf bug images'.Sunmarshsignature.png  ( talk )  19:17, January 17, 2020 (EST)
 * A hatnote does sound like a good way to link readers in a category containing Pages to that containing Files and vice versa. I have created a few categories here and there that would distinguish them from the Page categories, and will be moving some files in the coming days. (Since no one seems to be objecting on me running scripts this means I should be able to go ahead as soon as I can?) If you could create the other categories you think are necessary, such as on the Gamecube ones, please do. User:DecomposerEmotion Icon - Curiosity (NL) cropped.pngEmotion Icon - Pride (NL) cropped.png 09:21, January 19, 2020 (EST)

Template:Game screenshot and Special:UncategorizedFiles
In recategorizing files, I have taken advantage of either the image categories by game (e.g., Category:New Leaf images) or the special page Special:UncategorizedFiles. An issue that I have found using this methodology is that there are images that are present in neither because they have been blanketly categorized using Template:Game screenshot and are in Category:Game Screenshots without being in any other category. Removing  in the template will flood Uncategorized Files, but this will allow us to see which media have yet to be segregated to their proper categories. In addition, Category:Game Screenshots should just be a parent category for gameplay screenshots per game or for events, but should not contain any media in itself. Are there any objections in removing the includeonly directive? This discussion also includes that for Category:Game Sprites and the categories bound by Category:Licensing Templates. User:Decomposer 01:39, February 3, 2020 (EST)


 * I agree that these meta-categories shouldn't contain media, so I have removed the categorization code from Game screenshot and Game sprite. You should see the images popping up in uncategorized files over the next hour or so. Feel free to remove the categories from other licensing templates as necessary. I don't think any are protected but let me know if you need my help. Sunmarshsignature.png  ( talk )  11:40, February 3, 2020 (EST)

Request to recategorize due to permission issues
I am unable to recategorize the following images due to permission issues, automatically or manually. Could someone else categorize them?

(For those interested in how these could be recategorized automatically, see User:Autotroph.) Help is appreciated. User talk:Decomposer 03:33, February 29, 2020 (EST)
 * Category:Happy Home Designer bug sprites
 * File:Ant HHD Icon.png
 * File:Bagworm HHD Icon.png
 * File:Bee HHD Icon.png
 * File:Dung Beetle HHD Icon.png
 * File:Fly HHD Icon.png
 * File:Hermit Crab HHD Icon.png
 * File:Mole Cricket HHD Icon.png
 * File:Pill Bug HHD Icon.png
 * File:Wharf Roach HHD Icon.png
 * Category:Happy Home Designer fish sprites
 * File:Barbel Steed HHD Icon.png
 * File:Bitterling HHD Icon.png
 * File:Black Bass HHD Icon.png
 * File:Carp HHD Icon.png
 * File:Coelacanth HHD Icon.png
 * File:Crucian Carp HHD Icon.png
 * File:Dab HHD Icon.png
 * File:Dace HHD Icon.png
 * File:Football Fish HHD Icon.png
 * File:Freshwater Goby HHD Icon.png
 * File:Giant Trevally HHD Icon.png
 * File:Goldfish HHD Icon.png
 * File:Horse Mackerel HHD Icon.png
 * File:Koi HHD Icon.png
 * File:Oarfish HHD Icon.png
 * File:Olive Flounder HHD Icon.png
 * File:Pond Smelt HHD Icon.png
 * File:Red Snapper HHD Icon.png
 * File:Ribbon Eel HHD Icon.png
 * File:Sea Bass HHD Icon.png
 * File:Sea Butterfly HHD Icon.png
 * File:Squid HHD Icon.png
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Enhanced artwork
Why do we have edited images of villagers as a stand-in over the original art? 22:14, January 3, 2020 (EST)
 * Just an FYI for others who may not have seen the original conversation, this is a continuation of the discussion at File talk:Gulliver NLa.png. And I don't have an answer for your question lol... It seems that these were assets taken from the official animal-crossing website per . I think it's the lack of anti-aliasing that makes them look pixelated/grainy.


 * The quality of the image is really besides the point and the real question here is how we determine which image to feature in a character's infobox template. I feel like this topic has come up before but I can't find it in the Community Fountain archives. I also checked the Bulletin Board forums archive and couldn't find the discussion there either. Generally I think we would want to use officially sourced images from the most recent main-series game, the exception being when we have a better quality image from a non-main-series game. At this point, with around the corner it's a bit of a moot point. I imagine we'll be changing all the character art for the new game anyway so I think the issue will take care of itself. Sunmarshsignature.png  ( talk )  11:12, January 4, 2020 (EST)
 * Some background on this: when new villagers were released for Welcome amiibo (WA), we couldn't find official artwork of them, until we noticed that new images were appearing for the daily villager birthdays on animal-crossing.com. These images aren't edited by us; they're actually just that low-quality coming from Nintendo. In cases like Admiral, where their last appearance was pre-NL, I think it makes perfect sense to use these WA artworks. For villagers that were in the base NL game and have both NL and WA artwork, that's where the debate is - do we want to use the original NL artwork, or use the lower-quality WA artworks which are basically variations of the original NL artworks? IMO we should stick with the original NL artwork, due to the quality issue and since it's all still technically the base game, but as Sunmarsh mentioned, I don't think it's a huge deal since March will bring artwork refreshes anyway. ~ Super  Hamster  Talk 16:56, January 4, 2020 (EST)

Music category organization
After browsing Category:Music, there is a sizeable amount of music that is unsorted by sub-category, like Hourly Music, Business Themes, and so on. I'm very new to Nookipedia and wiki editing in general, but I'd love to help with this. Personally, the reason why I started lurking here years ago was to look up the music pages to find things we still don't have, like instrument descriptions and musical keys. Here are a few other ideas that may be handy as well:


 * What would you all think of adding a section to music articles that features a .pdf download (or an external link) to fair-use sheet music available from NinSheetMusic.org? The lovely folks there create the sheets for everyone to use as long as the arranger is given credit for their work.


 * I found an article mentioning Project Music. If the goals mentioned there are still on a back burner, I'd be happy to start picking away at them.

Any thoughts, additions, rejections, or other considerations are greatly appreciated. 02:27, January 10, 2020 (EST)
 * I think it's all fine. I wonder, do we know what kinds of instruments are used? As the music is in MIDI, you think we can find out what the soundfonts are? Yeah, the project is on a back burner for a while. It'll be appreciated if you contributed! 15:57, January 11, 2020 (EST)


 * Nookipedia:Project Music has been inactive for many years now. If you would like to spearhead the project and become its new leader, we would welcome you to do that and will support you in any way that we can (although I don't know how much music experience anyone has, per se). If you don't want to make that sort of commitment, you're more than welcome to make changes if and when you can. We generally ask that any major changes (moving, deleting, or merging of pages or categories) is discussed on a talk page or here on the Community Fountain first, but you're free to make all the edits you need to add/edit content, or even add new pages if we're missing any.


 * I like the idea of linking to NinSheetMusic.org, and I wonder if we could partner with them to have them link back to Nookipedia in some way? Either way, I think it's better to ask them before linking to their PDFs directly or uploading them here to make sure it's OK to do. Are you a regular member there/do you know of anyone on that website?


 * Also, if you need any sort of templates for the music pages created or edited just let me know as that's something I enjoy doing. Sunmarshsignature.png  ( talk )  15:58, January 12, 2020 (EST)

New userbox friend wiki
Hello, could we create a userbox for the Doom series to add to this list Nookipedia:Userboxes with the logo of the series and a link to doomwiki https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Entryway which is affiliates at http://niwanetwork.org/ like wikibound, mutecity.org, bulbapedia, wikirby, zelda.gamepedia, mariowiki, metroidwiki, pikminwiki and starfoxwiki. Something that would look like this :

And Isabelle is big fan of this serie ! ThomasUnD (talk) 07:19, February 24, 2020 (EST)
 * While that sounds like a good idea, I believe that there isn't much of a demand to do so. You could however create your own userbox template by writing the  code you wrote in above in a user subpage (e.g., User:ThomasUnD/UB Fan Doom), and transclude that in your userboxes by using  . In that way, the Template namespace won't be occupied with all sorts of userboxes for any series, and other users who are also fans of Doom can use your userbox. Acnl spr four-leafed clover.png talk:Decomposer 08:53, February 26, 2020 (EST)

Category:Insect on Main Page
There is an image called BugButton.png, and it link to Category:Insect, although should link to Category:Bugs, as that's the actual category name. Can an admin fix that? Thanks Results May Vary (talk) 21:17, March 6, 2020 (EST)
 * Done, thanks for pointing it out! Drago   (talk)     Drago PC icon.png 14:27, March 7, 2020 (EST)

Signatures
How do you make custom sigs? Thanks in Advance! SplatNerdBekahboo (talk) 09:43, March 20, 2020 (EDT)

Actually, no need! I figured it out. \/\/00|\/|¥/Woomy $₽|_@+|\|€R|]ß€|<@|-|ß00/SplatNerdBekahboo \/€€|\/|0/Veemo ( Talk ) 10:45, March 27, 2020 (EDT)

Project Museum
I'm pumping life back into Project Museum. As part of this, I'll be writing up new standards for how these pages are laid out. I've written some changes I plan on making, so leave feedback if you're interested at Nookipedia_talk:Project_Museum. Thanks, ~ Super  Hamster  Talk 02:24, March 29, 2020 (EDT)

Furniture based pages
Should we make pages about furniture, hats, and other minor stuff? I feel like this is needed. SplatNerdBekahboo ( Talk ) 13:29, April 3, 2020 (EDT)
 * Hi there - we already cover these areas! However, some of the pages are short on info and images. Drago   (talk)     Drago PC icon.png 13:38, April 3, 2020 (EDT)
 * Re. NH item coverage, I'm prepping a massive import of the community item spreadsheet as it nears completion. ~ Super  Hamster  Talk 13:46, April 3, 2020 (EDT)


 * I meant for specific pieces of clothing and furniture and how to get them. SplatNerdBekahboo  ( Talk ) 11:14, April 7, 2020 (EDT)

Music
We don't have a central music page, so I'll post this here. Are the names of shop themes (such as Tom Nook's Chain Jingles and Auction House Harmony) official or is it just another thing that has been made up by editors? Drago  (talk)      13:36, April 6, 2020 (EDT)


 * I don’t think they are, but that is just an educated guess. F L A M E  1 2 3 2  (Talk)  13:53, April 6, 2020 (EDT)
 * Just made up as far as I can tell. The tracklist for the Gekijouban Doubutsu no Mori OST simply calls it "Tanuki's Shop" (Tom Nook's Shop) and tracklist for Your Favourite Songs calls the Auction House theme "The Auction House". --Shark HHD Icon.png Dorsal Axe (talk) 14:29, April 6, 2020 (EDT)

Rename categories for Japan-only titles
I notice that we have some categories that still use "Animal Forest" in the name instead of "Doubutsu no Mori". I propose that we update/move these categories as needed in order to keep things consistent:


 * Animal Forest bugs → Doubutsu no Mori bugs
 * Animal Forest fish → Doubutsu no Mori fish
 * Animal Forest characters → Doubutsu no Mori characters
 * Animal Forest e+ bugs → Doubutsu no Mori e+ bugs
 * Animal Forest e+ fish → Doubutsu no Mori e+ fish
 * Animal Forest e+ characters → Doubutsu no Mori e+ characters
 * Animal Crossing: The Movie characters → Doubutsu no Mori (film) characters

Additionally, we have the category Animal Forest+ fish which seems redundant. It's identical to Animal Crossing fish except for the Herabuna/Brook Trout. Personally I think it's best to lump Herabuna into this one, as we have pages already explaining the discrepancy, and the wiki has already agreed that AC/DnM+ are two regional variations of the same game. -- Dorsal Axe (talk) 09:32, April 9, 2020 (EDT)


 * Nearly all the changes have been made/are in progress. I didn't make the Animal Forest+ fish change because I'm not sure the best way to deal with it. I agree that DnM+ doesn't need to appear in the appearances field for any fish... except for the exceptions (e.g. Herabuna/Brook Trout). And right now the way that the appearances field works, is that it relies on category information. So, if we removed the category information then we would need to hard code the exceptions into the template. This is easy to do, but I wanted to get some feedback/consensus on this before I did that. Sunmarshsignature.png  ( talk )  16:47, April 13, 2020 (EDT)

Grammatical and capitalization errors
Millions upon millions of grammatical and capitalization errors have been detected on this wiki, please help us to fix them. It is estimated that every page on the wiki has at least three capitalization errors.—Grammar Fixer (talk) 20:01, April 12, 2020 (EDT)


 * I will try to fix every error I see. I thank you for your support. SplatNerdBekahboo  ( Talk ) 13:29, April 13, 2020 (EDT)


 * We here at Nookipedia take this issue very seriously, and we thank you for bringing it to our attention. Based on your initial estimation- 'millions upon millions' of errors, we estimate this corrective process will take around 50 years to complete. We urge those users who are particularly sensitive to grammatical inaccuracies to avoid visiting the wiki during this transition period. Thank you for your understanding. Sunmarshsignature.png  ( talk )  17:00, April 13, 2020 (EDT)

Personality Names
Given that the official AC:NH guide is out some places in the world and calls Normal and Sisterly villagers Sweet and Big Sister, respectively, I would propose that the wiki switches to those names. I'm fairly certain this is the first time either name has been officially named in English. AmoongussForLife (talk) 13:11, April 16, 2020 (EDT)
 * This has been the subject of much discussion recently. Various users did some digging, and we found that there have actually been quite a few different names used for these personalities over the years (and completely different English names are used in the data for New Horizons) so it's a bit of a tricky one. The general consensus is that we don't want to deviate too much from what other wikis and the community at large use, so that's something to take into consideration as well.
 * Since it keeps coming up, it's probably a debate worth having here, I know that some are keen to use "Sweet" over "Normal" for example. I've contacted FuturePress to see what the source for the names they use in the guide are, and I will update here once I have a response from them. That'll probably be the time to bring the discussion forward, since hopefully we'll have something more concrete either way to use as a basis for any possible changes. --Shark HHD Icon.png Dorsal Axe (talk) 06:04, April 17, 2020 (EDT)
 * I just found a copy of the English book and saw that Normal villagers are still called Normal. Perhaps it varies from region to region, but at the moment, it looks like Normal is still "official" to some extent (as official as one can consider a game guide). As much as I think Normal is not a good personality descriptor and I think Sweet would be much better, I think we should continue using Normal and Sisterly since those are what's sticking to the community. ~ Super  Hamster  Talk 01:47, April 21, 2020 (EDT)
 * I spoke too soon - another user pointed out to me that the guidebook uses both. The list of personalities on pg 74 and the list of posters on pg 425 use Sweet, but the list of villagers uses Normal. Classic guidebooks. ~ Super  Hamster  Talk 04:08, April 21, 2020 (EDT)
 * What name does it use in the game files? I don’t have the resources that I would need to check, so I figured I’d ask. Unless anybody has a direct line to someone on the Animal Crossing series design team, that should probably be the last word. F L A M E  1 2 3 2  (Talk)  09:16, April 21, 2020 (EDT)
 * The names mostly used in the games files are the Japanese ones. There are some files that mention in English "Normal" (Normal and Lazy), "Active" (Peppy and Jock), and "Pride[ful]" (Snooty and Cranky) for both genders, and "Snobby" for Smug and "Big Sis" for Sisterly. I reached out on Twitter to someone who worked on the localisation, and apparently they just use the abbreviations of the Japanese names amongst themselves. So it seems there's no "true" official English names for any of them. --Shark HHD Icon.png Dorsal Axe  (talk) 09:42, April 21, 2020 (EDT)


 * Well, that’s the best I currently have. F L A M E  1 2 3 2  (Talk)  11:17, April 21, 2020 (EDT)

Subpage naming convention
We currently have two ways to organize subpages: I figure we should pick one and stick with it. I don't have a strong opinion either way, but I'm leaning towards SUBJECT/GAME, since it aligns more with how people search for and think about content ( in ). ~ Super  Hamster  Talk 21:33, April 18, 2020 (EDT)
 * GAME/SUBJECT (e.g. Animal Crossing: New Horizons/Characters)
 * SUBJECT/GAME (e.g. Fish/New Horizons, Furniture/New Horizons)


 * If I had to choose one, I would say I'm also in favor of Subject/Game, because it decentralizes the information/creates separate hubs of knowledge and encourages users to visit different parts of the wiki. That said, I'm not sure I understand how reversing the subpages on game pages would help us. For example, we would then have Gallery/New Horizons, which at the top of the page would link back to 'Gallery', a non-existent page, rather than linking back to the ACNH page like it does at Animal Crossing: New Horizons/Gallery. 'Characters' is also a redirect page going to 'Player'. I think that if we wanted to create new pages at Gallery and Characters, it's part of a larger discussion about subpages generally, and also about how we want to organize or prioritize different types of content (e.g. lists and images). Maybe I'm not understanding your point? Sunmarshsignature.png  ( talk )  22:13, April 18, 2020 (EDT)
 * Ah yeah, I'd want to leave galleries as-is (an exception to the rule). I could see us create a Characters page though, which would have sections on the Player, Villagers, and Special Characters, and then link to the respective articles. That being said, maybe we don't need to have a standard and can keep the different formats. But if I come across Fish/New Horizons, I would expect characters to be available at Characters/New Horizons as well. ~ Super  Hamster  Talk 22:50, April 18, 2020 (EDT)
 * While SUBJECT/GAME is more logical, I would have to agree with the issue of a "Characters" page. Right now we do have List of villagers which we could merge in Villagers and create subpages such as Villagers/New Leaf which we could merge data from Animal Crossing: New Leaf/Characters and List of villager birthdays in Animal Crossing: New Leaf. Acnl spr four-leafed clover.png talk:Decomposer 03:17, April 19, 2020 (EDT)


 * I feel like this issue can't be easily standardized. Personally I'd say the logical flow is more of "Nice game! → And it has many characters!" and not "Hm, let me look up some characters → Oh, they're in this game". I suppose the latter could work if the person is familiar with the series but if they're a new comer, they'd look for the game first...? When it comes to collectibles in games, you're already familiar with the game, so you'd look up the collectible and then choose the game you're looking for, imho. Like, Stars in Mario. You know Mario, you know he collects Stars, you'd then look into Power Stars in Mario Galaxy...
 * There are also subpages for Update History (Animal Crossing: Pocket Camp/Update History, Animal Crossing: New Horizons/Update History) and I don't know if it's worth having Update History main page. I could imagine the contents, though. (Gifts received in the previous games, WA, and that PC and NH are very update driven games)
 * That being said, we should definitely have Characters page, because finding the List of Villagers was a tough task for me when I was stealing data from here, haha. Characters is a simple term everyone searches for at some point. And I don't get why Character redirects to Player. It might be Playable Character but not the only character. I agree with Decomposer to do some kind of merge with the villager birthdays and character list, because the character lists are having birthdays (some of them, anyway), and I don't think we need to have it there so many times. You could easily sort them by birthday in the table. Paviinka (talk) 03:54, April 19, 2020 (EDT)
 * Ah, great point re. Update History, that's something that I agree makes sense as a subpage of the game. So what I'm getting out of this is we can't have a hard and fast rule - but at least, reworking our villagers/characters pages so that they're in the SUBJECT/GAME format makes sense. ~ Super  Hamster  Talk 05:51, April 19, 2020 (EDT)
 * Personally I've always seen it more as PRIMARY SUBJECT/SUPPLEMENTAL INFO. It makes sense for galleries and changelogs to be subpages of the game articles, because they're supplemental to the main article. Whereas a hypothetical Characters article would be better off having subpages for each game, since they'd be an offshoot of the main Characters article.
 * Regarding birthdays, I've actually wanted to include them in the list for a long time now (as well as internal IDs) but it's a matter of having space for it. Perhaps we could look into using tabs to create a split view between appearances and other info, but any such merge is probably best kept as a separate discussion. --Shark HHD Icon.png Dorsal Axe  (talk) 06:46, April 19, 2020 (EDT)
 * PRIMARY SUBJECT/SUPPLEMENTAL INFO is great way of putting it. I suppose that's how we can describe it in our MoS. ~ Super  Hamster  Talk 01:49, April 21, 2020 (EDT)

Villager lists on species pages
It's been bothering me that whenever I browse the site on my phone, I always have to vertically scroll the villager lists on species pages. If you use a CSS Grid, you can change the number of cells displayed per row dynamically, according to the screen width.

Here's what the Bear page would look like using that CSS functionality



As you can see, it doesn't actually require any changes to the existing templates (although I would recommend making the container  a template itself). However, if you were to change Villager, you could have the cell width defined by the grid rather than the individual cells, which would remove the need for such a complicated cell width like. It would also allow more freedom in exactly how you want to display it (e.g. using  instead of , if that would be preferred). -- Snorlax Monster  03:16, May 10, 2020 (EDT)
 * This is great, thanks Snorlax. It's been implemented across all species pages. ~ Super  Hamster  Talk 06:22, May 10, 2020 (EDT)
 * Now that the width/height has been removed from Villager, I would recommend something more like this now, to avoid empty space:


 * Here's the difference:




 * You can tweak the minimum width to be greater than 150px if you think that's too narrow, but the idea is that the cells all expand to fill as much space on the right-hand side as possible (as long as there isn't enough room to insert an additional column). -- Snorlax Monster  07:11, May 10, 2020 (EDT)
 * Just wanted to pop in to say thanks for your help with this, SnorlaxMonster! Mobile usability is becoming a bigger focus for us recently, and it's become a priority to go back and update a lot of the older templates to comply. -- Jake (talk)  22:47, May 13, 2020 (EDT)

Personality Subtypes and Hobbies
https://www.reddit.com/r/AnimalCrossing/comments/gh6bu1/differences_in_villager_personality/

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1b2rrEIeNZKnQrvoyD4JtkKSNJs2VAHobCBGKSnO2A_o/mobilebasic

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HEyNSrgzih38rVA5GdI6el2mmaIxi6oFVVDQKqbn03E/

Recent datamining has found that Villagers in NH come in two "subtypes": A and B. Villagers who have different subtypes of the same personality have slightly different dialogue and voices.

Wondering if it might be worthwhile to add some of this information to the wiki so it's easier for people to find?