Nookipedia talk:Project Villager

May I join the project?--Schapmond 23:11, 20 June 2013 (EDT)

Revive?
Some has to/I might. - HomerJC (talk) 16:26, July 25, 2015 (EDT)
 * I have my hands full on Project Furniture, but I expect an overhaul over this, since this is so old. 16:46, July 25, 2015 (EDT)
 * Project Furniture sounds more fun, I want to join! - HomerJC (talk) 17:01, July 25, 2015 (EDT)

Special Visitors
I have been reading through this and am wondering if you plan to include special visitors in this project or not? Articles pertaining to special visitors have intrigued me for awhile now (almost a year, actually), and I planned to eventually start a project focused on those characters (not the basic villagers). I do not know everything you intend to do, but if I were to head a project on special characters, which would incorporate any templates and layout designs you request be used, would you be cool with making the two projects the basis of something bigger (in other words, sister projects)? --XXSuperXXNintendoXx (talk) 23:49, August 10, 2015 (EDT)


 * Special visitors aren't a focus of this project, so I would definitely welcome a sister project if you wanted to focus on those pages. I would be more than happy to develop some templates for your project if needed or adapt any of the ones we're using to suit your needs. :) Sunmarshsignature.png  ( talk )  18:47, August 11, 2015 (EDT)

Album appearances?
Villagers make frequent appearances on album covers of K.K. songs, although the information is typically found in the trivia sections. I think they need a better spot in the article, maybe a parameter called "album appearances"? 16:52, August 14, 2015 (EDT)


 * Well, Template:Infobox Villager has an "other" parameter which is supposed to be used for appearances outside of the main series of games (e.g., etc.). It could also be used for album cover appearances and we could link to the KK song page? Alternatively I could potentially add it into Template:Villager Info. What do you think? Sunmarshsignature.png  ( talk )  17:00, August 14, 2015 (EDT)


 * Well, I'm not sure if we should list album cameos alongside spinoff appearances. I think you should add it to Villager Info instead as it seems to be better suited to covering trivial information. Finally, thinking about a response lead me to this: what about outside-series cameos, like appearances in Super Smash Bros. and Mario Kart 8? 17:12, August 14, 2015 (EDT)


 * That's a good question... I think that they should be noted in Template:Infobox Villager using the other parameter as well as in the "Other appearances" section of the villager's article page. I know that most of the outside-series appearances are of special characters/visitors though... which is a question that perhaps SNES should answer as he expressed interest in developing special visitor pages. I think that Template:Villager Info is the best candidate for the album cover info and will put that on my to-do list. Sunmarshsignature.png  ( talk )  17:22, August 14, 2015 (EDT)

Navigational template?
Sorry for potentially adding one more pain in the tailfeathers, but I suggest we unite all villagers under one navigational template. I suggest we organize within one giant list, alphabetized, since we can't organize by a trait without leaving out the other trait (e.g. organizing by species wouldn't take personality into account and vice-versa), and we already have such navigational aids at the top of the villager page. What do you think? 16:32, August 20, 2015 (EDT)


 * I'm not sure it would really aid much in navigation, considering how long the list would be. It would probably be easier for the user to type the name in the search box. I had considered creating some sort of navigation box using the species silhouettes though. You can see a mockup of this at the bottom of this page. They would each link to the appropriate species page with an extra silhouette linking the villager master list. Sunmarshsignature.png  ( talk )  16:56, August 20, 2015 (EDT)
 * I think it might be helpful to browse through multiple villagers without clicking on links or without having to type in the search bar. I do suppose the effort is mighty, though, and yeah, that navigational template is going to be huge. I like the species silhouettes, though, but it might be difficult to tell at a glance of what species is which, but maybe I'm wrong. 16:45, August 21, 2015 (EDT)

Personality descriptions
I think it would be a good idea to standardize personality descriptions by using a template. These sections often have variable quality for a nonunique trait, but still has, ultimately, the same information that's shared for villagers with that personality trait. 20:20, April 12, 2016 (EDT)


 * I agree with this. We should find an exemplary personality description of each type, or summarize the main article page and use that as the text for each villager of that personality type. I think a template would work great for this, something like for example, for snooty villagers. Sunmarshsignature.png  ( talk )  20:30, April 12, 2016 (EDT)
 * I've been actually thinking about using the existing pers template to accomplish this. I don't play Animal Crossing TOO much, so can you find any nuances of each personality, or do the main pages summarize them well enough? 20:43, April 12, 2016 (EDT)

amiibo Festival template
I was thinking that the villagers should have a template for their info in the various games in. Some examples include in Desert Island Escape, where each character has a skill (wolves and tigers are lone wolves, kangaroos and koalas either move 7 or 0 spaces each turn e.t.c) and a favourite fruit ( Bud's are lemons for example). 05:02, June 20,2016 (EDT)
 * I agree that this information needs to be mentioned on the wiki in some form, but I'm not sure the best way to display it. In my opinion it seems a bit much to place info about a mini-game from an AC spin-off title onto each villager's page. I think that we definitely need a table for the info on the mini-game's main page though and we can go from there. A lot of information on the mini-game can be found in this guide.Sunmarshsignature.png  ( talk )  17:38, June 22, 2016 (EDT)

Villager Houses in New Leaf
Are we still trying to catalog the exterior of villager houses in ? If so, is it better to describe it or have a picture of it? ~ Poizon  Mushro0m  22:59, November 9, 2016 (EST)
 * Surely images will look better? However, there is already a blog on the internet somewhere that has a picture for every house exterior, so it'd look like we were copying them. But if we take our own images (good luck!), we should be okay. Red   (talk) Red Snapper HHD Icon.png 11:36, November 10, 2016 (EST)

Primary image to use in article
I'd like to bring up the primary image to use for a villager (i.e. the image that appears in the villager's infobox, the birthday section of the main page, etc.). Right now, the tendency seems to be to use whatever character art is available from the latest game. However, sometimes the character art from the latest game is low resolution, cropped out of another image, or something of the sort. For example, for Rosie, her HHD art is low resolution (119 × 231 pixels) and has heavily aliased borders. In cases like this I'd rather use a much higher-quality press image of Rosie from NL as her main image. I think this is important to give a clean look to the article, to the main page, to various Discord bots that use our images, and so on. Thoughts? ~ Super  Hamster  Talk 00:57, June 27, 2018 (EDT)
 * Great idea, SH! The primary image is so prominent in an article that it should always be the highest quality image we have. Besides, can you call Happy Home Designer the latest game? I would say no, because it was a spin-off. Drago   (talk)     Drago PC icon.png 12:29, June 27, 2018 (EDT)

Gallery
Hi there, not sure if this is still ongoing? But seemed like the perfect place for my question. I've been adding some sprites to galleries and I noticed that they're not all the same.

Sometimes, there's just a section "6 Gallery", eg. Bill - this contains a link to a gallery page (Bill/Gallery and below is gallery with artwork from games. Other times, there's section "6 Gallery" and subsection "6.1 Artwork", eg. Drake. Under Gallery is the link to the gallery page and under artwork is the artwork, right. And then there are also pages, that follow the "Ideal Table of Contents" as writen here, eg. Freckles.

My question is -why do some characters have Gallery pages and some do not? I thought it was that the oldest characters have Gallery pages (because they're probably having larger galleries), but that doesn't seem to be the case. (eg. Spike, though he was absent from WW/CF. Static has appeared in all games, and does not have a gallery page and has quite the number of pictures on the page.) Personally I think it would be better if all character had gallery pages. Sure, sometimes, especially the new ones, have just 3 pictures in gallery so having a gallery page is probably unnecessary, but it'd look better, I think. I like the first example the most, I don't see the need for the "Artwork" subsection. (If the villager has a gallery page)

I was also wondering if it wouldn't look nicer if the "Sprites and Models" subsection was arranged the way that icons are next to each other and villager pics are next to each other and models are next to each other and so on. Now it's arranged by games, so Wild World icon is followed by WW picture, followed by album sprite, followed by more icons, eg. Lucy/Gallery. I think the other sections should be arranged by date, this one would just look better if it was arranged by a type... though that would ruin the consistency through subsections which might be weird?

I didn't want to ruin any standards that I'm missing being a baby editor on here so I'm asking which it is! Thank you. ♥ Paviinka (talk) 02:57, March 20, 2020 (EDT)
 * Well, you stated there that some galleries are too small to have their own pages. Don't want really unnecessary page visiting. Also, it does seem like a nice idea to organize by type of image, with all head icons in one spot and pics in another, there are some stragglers such as album art, mugshots, and full body sprites that don't neatly fit. I suppose you can fit those into an extra subsection that deals with miscellaneous kinds of sprites, kind of like what we already do with the artwork section. Beyond Lucy's gallery, which I checked, would that set up work for enough amount of villagers?
 * And really, don't worry about "ruining" standards here. Please don't be afraid of bringing up any questions around here. Don't even be scared of attempting any edits since anything you might "mess up" on will be just reverted, and that's at worst. Thanks for dropping a comment here, and I hope you'll feel more confident the more you edit here! 03:16, March 20, 2020 (EDT)
 * Paviinka is a great addition to our roster of Wiki editing fans that want to improve villager pages ! That's a wonderful idea. In fact I did not even know Gallery subpages existed until SuperHamster told me so yesterday. We've had a good discussion about it and I do agree Gallery subpages do need some love. I really like the way you rearranged Wolfgang's gallery subpage, Paviinka. The only thing I would do is "Cards" should be it's own subsection of Artwork (most every villager have cards now), while Scenes should be thrown into "Miscellaneous" since there is not a whole lot of them that have scenes per say. Also, since we segregate 3D models from icons, and pictures, the section called Sprites and Models could be renamed Assets? That's my two cents !--Ocre (talk) 19:14, March 21, 2020 (EDT)
 * So, Ocre and I brainstormed and came up with this outline:

> Artwork >> Renders - official renders - promo pictures - sorted by release game >> Cards - E-cards - Amiibo - Welcome amiibo - NA - EU - JP - (Not sure about naming - "North American" vs "NA"?) - Do not specify the villager - Add link to E-Card and amiibo page >> Miscellaneous - wallpapers etc. > Assets >> Icons >> Pictures - Villager pics framed, followed by unframed (if available), albums (sorted by release game) >> Models > Screenshots - non house screenshots >> Housing - interior and exterior >> Animation - screenshots from the movie > Merchandise - If one section contains multiple picture from 1 game, link only the first one - everything is sorted by game release except Assets → Pictures (Portraits come first)


 * And Ocre edited O'Hare's gallery as an example. ♥
 * Use code in the Gallery section on the Villager's page to bring over the Renders section from gallery!
 * Paviinka (talk) 20:45, March 21, 2020 (EDT)
 * Thanks for the outline, Paviinka! That's indeed what I've been using since yesterday. --Ocre (talk) 17:25, March 23, 2020 (EDT)
 * Looks good! I'm thinking though, I'm not sure how well Cards fits under Artwork - it seems a bit repetitive since the artwork on the cards is identical to the renders. I think it might fit better under the Merchandise section (at the bottom?), which can have three sections, when applicable: Cards, Plushes, and Other (see Rosie/Gallery for an example of how much merchandise some villagers have). ~ Super  Hamster  Talk 00:24, March 24, 2020 (EDT)


 * Thanks so much for bringing this up, ! You and have both done a great job working this out. We're definitely in need of a standard format for our villager gallery (as you have noted in your examples), and the solution that you and Ocre have come to I think works quite nicely. The proof of concept on O'Hare's page looks great/I can't think of any improvements. I would encourage you to add this outline to the project page as a guideline for future editors. I have stepped down as project leader, so you are free to continue to develop villager page standards via consensus with other editors (or apply for the position). This was a position I held for some time, but given the interest in this project by other editors and my current obligations, it's not really feasible for me to continue leading it. Sunmarshsignature.png  ( talk )  00:25, March 24, 2020 (EDT)
 * As asked, I updated the Project's page proper with the new Gallery structure and updated the villager page structure instructions as well.--Ocre (talk) 13:13, March 24, 2020 (EDT)

Transcluding Gallery subpages content to villager pages
Hi ! We've had a good discussion with SuperHamster and Paviinka on the Discord regarding Gallery subpages and the lack of cohenrence between them, the villagers pages, and what gallery content should be shown on villager pages. A few points were raised :
 * It does not seem like there are any policy laid as to what images should be shown in the gallery section of villager pages : some show Artwork only, some show Artwork + Sprites + Miscellaneous, and some show even screenshots.
 * There is a problem regarding adding new villager pictures to Nookipedia. If you want to add them in the Villager/Gallery subpage, then you have double the work since you have to add them also on the villager's page proper.

So we have come up with an embryo of a policy.
 * 1) We've come up with the suggestion that only Artwork images should be shown on the villager pages
 * 2) SuperHamster said it was possible to have a transclude script that would fetch images in the Villager/Gallery subpage and show them on the villager's page, but only those of the section Artwork. That way we wouldn't have to work twice over - we would only work on the Villager/Gallery subpage when adding in new images.
 * 3) Since most of the images will now be stashed away in the Villager/Gallery subpages, the link to these subpages on villager pages should be made more proheminent - SuperHamster suggested a button or a something a bit more user-friendly?

I will not discuss the problem regarding the content of Villager/Gallery subpages that Paviinka has raised yesterday. It's a distinct problem, and I shall discuss it in the discussion she started above. --Ocre (talk) 18:57, March 21, 2020 (EDT)
 * Galleries as separate pages should be comprehensive as they need to be. If there is artwork only in a gallery, I'm guessing it's just a simple content gap or there's not enough images for a separate page anyway. Gallery pages, provided they are substantial, should be organized by artwork/sprites+models/screenshots/misc. Screenshots should be if the villager is a main focus (being talked to, inside their house), not if they're in the background.
 * Again, galleries should not be created if there is not enough artwork needed for a gallery (Phil wouldn't need a gallery, for instance, at least at revision I'm seeing). A point of a separate gallery page is to prevent the size of galleries overwhelming the main page (see Player/Gallery as an extreme example). Sometimes, it's at the editors' discretions; Cube can probably use a separate gallery page, but it's also not quite big enough to need a separate page. If we need to create a page for galleries, then the empty section that links to the gallery should have a small gallery of 3-5 images, preferably artwork.
 * Adding art in both the gallery and the main page is not a big problem. The only thing I can see it being a problem is if the gallery page is unnecessary. 19:09, March 21, 2020 (EDT)


 * While I understand your point, I believe that the intention is to create a long-term, standardized solution to Villager gallery pages, whereby every villager gets a separate gallery page regardless of length. I think there is an underlying assumption that in the future, once every villager's page has been improved, all villagers will require a gallery page. I'm generally in support of this, because as we shift our focus to a more mobile-centered approach, decreasing the length of a page will make it easier to navigate (less scrolling). Having less images on the page will also help it load faster (although this is probably negligible?). Perhaps we can adjust display on desktop vs mobile to allow for the transclusion of more images on displays with larger screen real estate. Sunmarshsignature.png  ( talk )  00:45, March 24, 2020 (EDT)
 * Agreed. Mario's raises excellent points, but ultimately I think having all villager galleries in central, predictable spots is worth it, to make them easy to maintain moving forward. The other nice thing about the transclusion is, let's say today we're only including artwork on villager article galleries, and tomorrow we decide we want to include sprites too...we can do a mass-replace of the Gallery template and be done with it. ~ Super  Hamster  Talk 01:43, March 25, 2020 (EDT)

Standardization of minor things and other stuff...
Hi. I've been making some small edits in between obtaining house images and, well, I noticed that a lot of things are done differently and I probably messed stuff. When I wanted to refer to PV, there was nothing about it.

Infobox Villager
Clothes parameter. It is suggested to use the "tt" hint template. Apparently, that does not work for mobile. I've seen a few solutions used:
 * Wave Print Striped Shirt (Blue) ( onwards)
 * Wave Print Striped Shirt (Blue) ( onwards)
 * Wave Print Striped Shirt (Blue) ( onwards)
 * Wave Print Striped Shirt (Blue) ( onwards)
 * Wave print Striped Shirt (Blue)  onwards
 * Wave print Striped Shirt (Blue)  onwards

Personally I am fan of using bracket and having the game on a new line - that saves space (which is beneficial for mobile view) and the brackets make it more obvious that it's a note and not just random game's name... Next, if the clothing was called something else in different games, the "Note" template should be used. Phrases. Some Japanese/Korean/Russian phrases have romanization noted next to the phrase. I've noticed that sometimes, if romanization is available for the japanese phrase, it is put into the "Note" template. But usually only the japanese one, even if the russian/korean have romanization as well. I think all pages should either:
 * Have romanization next to the phrase in brackets
 * Have romanization in the "Note" template

If the "Note" template will be used - how's it going to be formatted? The easiest is "Romanization: Pū xiū". I've seen someone was doing " Romanization: Pū xiū" and I thought that it looked cute so I started doing that too. Not the brightest idea but the pages are going to be updated a few more times anyway and it's not that hard to fix. I'm not sure that the romanization has to be in the "Note" template, that just makes too many notes. I feel like it's fine just noted with brackets... I don't have a strong opinion on that I think. I'd be fine with whatever. The Japanese-exclusive villagers (eg. Tarou) have their latest quote in Japanese - the translation should be done using the "Note" template and if the Romanization will be writen using the Note template, it should be formatted in the same way.

Housing section
Section titles. This has been discussed on the Discord Server. Some Villagers have the same house in DnM, ACGC and DnMe+. I still haven't gotten to checking DnMe+, but there's still the assumption that DnMe+ house will be the DnM house? Anyway, I feel like it could be noted on how to name the subsections somewhere.
 * DnM, ACGC, DnMe+ houses are different
 * In
 * In
 * In
 * DnM=DnMe+, ACGC is different
 * In
 * In
 * Note that DnM=DnMe+
 * DnM=DnMe+=ACGC
 * In
 * Note that all houses are the same
 * DnM=ACGC, DnMe+ is different
 * In
 * In
 * Note that DnM=PG

That is my proposal on how to deal with the section titles. Differences in int. Some houses in DnM differ from the ACGC ones by just one to a few furniture items. If I remember correctly, Rosie has arrow sign in the Japanese version, but doesn't in the English one. Not that big change, but making a note of any sorts would break the template (not show the furniture items), and I've read somewhere that the special villagers appearances should have a new section even if just the t-shirt is different, so that should work for houses, too. Int images list - At my Nookipedia Google Sheet, the "DnM" tab - "PG" next to a villager's namee means that DnM int = ACGC int, "DnM" means that it's different. Included are the links to the images. "Retake" means that I find the ACGC screenshot too dark and will try to take a better one. I'm halfway there, so if someone wants to check what has been done, perhaps. Anyway, I'll start adding them to the articles whenever we settle down on the section naming, so it's named properly already. Furniture. Should be sorted out in a way to save space. Do not include duplicate (New Horizons has a lot of rooms with tons of dupe garlands :/) Music. I'm using the "Note" template to note the game (ACGC/ DnMe+) + sometimes I add "Does not include stereo initially," but apparently villagers in DnM couldn't change the layout of their houses and I'm unsure about the older games? So I don't know how to deal with that. I'm also unsure if the earlier music noted is correct as I know some pages described the PG houses incorrectly. I don't wanna deal with music though so :// Anyway, the point of this paragraph is - should we note the stereo thing?

Other stuff
Other appearances - HHD - List of HHD character with missing HHD template (includes Special characters as well) - is the info in the template dependant on the amiibo cards or can it just be the ordinary build request? I suppose the quickest would be to check the game, but I figured I could ask. Names in other languages - I've come across one villager page that used the "tt" hint template in this table. I feel like there's no need for that, as the point of the table is to explain how the name came to be, so it should list everything at first glance. Anyway, if we're not using "tt", we'd have to use the "Note" template, and that'd just look bad. Galleries. So, when making the outline with Ocre, we noted to only link the first game appearance in section. If NL villager pic is next to NH villager pic that is followed by NL album, obviously only the pic has to be linked. I've noticed that some people only link the first appearance of the game (so NL is only linked in the renders). I looked around for a linking policy or style manual and I couldn't find it. I feel like, in the galleries, every subsection should have the first game appearance linked. I could compromise and make it every section (aka, "Main" would only have "Renders" with links, but "Screenshots" would continue having links). I wouldn't want to scroll way up to find a game link, but that's probably just me. We should make this coherent though, eventually.

Comments
I'm aware that I've written this comment in quite commanding way, it's hot and my non existent English knowledge is escaping me, haha, so, please try not to take it in that way. It is a discussion and I'm not trying to dictate anything or set something in stone without consulting. This should be everything for now, haha. Paviinka (talk) 10:24, April 22, 2020 (EDT)
 * I just want to note here that I've changed my mind and I'd go for "Wave Print Striped Shirt (Blue) ( onwards) " version haha.
 * Also, more on galleries - islanders' sprites are linked with Animal Island; I'd link the DnMe+ sprites with DnMe+ and under it with GBA minigames, as the sprites are in gameboy and not in the "raw" DnMe+ experience haha.
 * Also I was thinking if we really need to have the long for of game names in the galleries; esp when there are more than one screenshots next to each other, I think after one "Animal Crossing: Something" the "Something" is enough...? P aviinka Papa Bear WW.png (Message me!)  12:59, May 1, 2020 (EDT)


 * I agree that using tt is not ideal. I think having them on separate lines is best, maybe we can adjust the line-height and text color so it's a bit clearer. A quick mock-up:
 * Wave Print  Striped Shirt (Blue)


 * I would vote for the phrase romanization after the native script in parentheses:
 * Flag of Japan.png ネコ


 * Only the most recent English saying should stay in the Infobox, IMO, and the other languages could be translated like this:
 * Flag of Japan.png 豚に真珠


 * I agree with the section titles. Basically, there should be a new section for each game that has a different interior, even if the exterior is unchanged. Also it's possible for some DnM+ homes to be different from DnM & PG (there are different items between the two games, and some items have different textures), so it might also get its own section. I know I mentioned adding an 'identical' parameter, but maybe it's just more helpful to add a 'notes' parameter, and then any sort of notes can be included there?


 * Furniture, agree that duplicates don't need to be included. Also, if it's possible, it would be nice to list the items with the shortest names exclusively using either the even or odd furniture parameters (e.g. f1, f3, f5...) This way the furniture names take up the least amount of space and don't extend the template. This isn't really a big deal though, as I think SuperHamster and I were planning on revamping the template to display horizontally on desktop so we won't have to worry about that issue.


 * As for music, I don't know whether or not animals can change their home layout in older games (GameCube and prior). I feel like it's something I should know, but I don't remember. I don't think that they can, but we would need to check. For noting these, I would avoid the note template and do something like this, since they will all be on the same line:
 * K.K. Tango, Only You  , K.K. Island
 * Using the shortest abbreviation for all games, unless you need to note 'and prior' or 'onward' in which case you'd use the short version.


 * For missing HHD info, are you asking if the request is different depending on whether you call them via amiibo card versus a random encounter? That I honestly don't know... although I don't think it's different. *sweatdrop*


 * The Names in Other Languages template needs to be revamped. For now I would list the romanization below the original script:


 * I agree that the gallery links would be better formatted using 'short' (e.g. ). Having the 'Animal Crossing' before everything makes it difficult to see what images are from where. I also agree that there should be one link per main section (e.g.  )


 * I don't think I understand your comment about the links below islander sprites. Could you show an example of what you would do vs. what is currently being done? Sunmarshsignature.png  ( talk )  14:55, May 1, 2020 (EDT)


 * As far as romanization of Japanese, Chinese, Korean, and Russian phrases, when I was updating the infoboxes in January-February, I have deleted a lot of those. My angle is : make it simple. It's in an infobox, which is already overloaded with information. Romanization notes would often make it unnecessarily complicated in a very confined space. It's OK, we have the information in the native language, Nookipedia doesn't have to become a translation program in top of an encyclopaedia. 1- I doubt people are interested at all, 2- If it's not a standardized thing for every villager, it shouldn't be a thing at all. So for all these reasons (limited space, non-standardized practice, limited pertinence), I think we should just do-away with romanization of non-latinized languages. There is Google Translate for that. --Ocre (talk) 14:58, May 6, 2020 (EDT)