User talk:Moses Sin

Welcome!

 * Drago  (talk)     Drago PC Villager Icon.png 10:47, October 18, 2021 (EDT)

Regarding infobox image captions
These types of image captions are not necessary. We don't need to list every species member that is not included in this image. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 10:34, October 29, 2021 (EDT)

Preview
I've noticed that when you edit galleries, you tend to make many consecutive edits in the span of 1 minute, where you alternate between adding and removing identical images. Based on your edits to the K.K. Lullaby page, it almost seems as if you haven't been using the "Show preview" button to see what the page will look like. I recommend using that, so that you can make one clean edit rather than around 3-5 edits in the span of a minute. This will make Special:RecentChanges cleaner, and it will make a page's history easier to sift through. HylianAngel (talk) 08:00, November 11, 2021 (EST)


 * Please keep in mind what Hylian said above; you're still doing this a lot, such as here. The policy does suggest that users should preview their edits before saving, which it doesn't look like you are doing. Thank you, and keep contributing. Drago   (talk)     Drago PC Villager Icon.png 12:26, November 16, 2021 (EST)

HHP songs
Hi there! I noticed you've been adding songs to villager HHP templates, but some of the songs don't match datamined information (examples include Chelsea, Claudia, and Charlise). Can I ask where you're getting the song information from? Is it in-game? Thanks, ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 00:50, November 22, 2021 (EST)

HHP additions
Hello again - thanks for all your help with adding HHP templates to villagers! I'm currently running a bot that is automatically adding the HHP template using datamined information, so if you could hold off on adding the template, that'd be great. Otherwise, the bot may conflict with your additions. Thank you! ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 01:58, November 22, 2021 (EST)

Preview required

 * Drago  (talk)     Drago PC Villager Icon.png 12:29, November 22, 2021 (EST)

CF House Exteriors
If you plan to add all villagers' CF exteriors to villager galleries, make sure to add all 5 at once rather than just one at a time. Only adding 1 can give the false impression that is their only exterior when it's not. For example, Bud has these 5 exteriors, so all should be added at the same time: File:CF Classic Exterior 1 Orange.png, File:CF Pink Exterior 1 Green.png, File:CF Ranch Exterior 1 Green.png, File:CF Rustic Exterior 1 Purple.png, File:CF Stone Exterior 1 Blue.png HylianAngel (talk) 19:54, December 1, 2021 (EST)

The information for all 5 exteriors is on the villager houses page (which I'm assuming is where you've been pulling the information from.) Use that info since it contains info on all 5, and also each image description does as well. HylianAngel (talk) 20:05, December 1, 2021 (EST)

Thank you for doing 5 at a time, the galleries look really good now! HylianAngel (talk) 22:03, December 2, 2021 (EST)

Descriptions for e-Reader cards
Please do not change the "Doubutsu no Mori e+ cards" to "Japanese cards," the DnM+ and DnMe+ cards are completely separate. HylianAngel (talk) 03:45, December 22, 2021 (EST)

Unexplained removal
Hi, could you please explain to me why you removed one of the Fortune Cookies listed on here? They are listed here for documentation purposes. Thanks. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 10:15, January 18, 2022 (EST)


 * You made more than one of the same thing.

Ankha
Please don't revert the Ankha edit again - the intro is fine as it is. Thanks, Drago   (talk)      11:48, January 21, 2022 (EST)

Preview
Please make sure you're continuing to use "Show preview" before saving changes - the amount of edits you made in a row to List of islanders was unnecessary. I don't want to have to give you the Preview Required sanction again, so please make sure you're not making as many consecutive edits to articles. Thanks. Drago  (talk)      10:41, January 24, 2022 (EST)


 * You're still making too many edits to the gallery pages, especially Animal Crossing: New Horizons/Gallery. I know that they're large edits, but there still shouldn't be a need to make this many. Again, please make sure you use "Show preview" as much as you can, otherwise we may have to force (its use) again. I really don't want it to come to that, but this is the final warning you'll be receiving before that happens. Drago   (talk)     Drago PC Villager Icon.png 12:21, April 9, 2022 (EDT)

Notice regarding edit history
-- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 00:21, April 10, 2022 (EDT)

Apology
Sorry, but because there are too many in the NH gallery page.
 * If you need to add those character in the gallery, you don't need to continuously add them as you go through. Just pull them in a larger batch of changes, and if you need a break, then it would be a time to save your edits. Also, remember to sign your comments using . -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 01:08, April 10, 2022 (EDT)
 * Understood.

Official artwork
Do not revert to a smaller transparent version of the official artwork, it should be the higher-quality artwork, even if it has a white background, according to Nookipedia upload policy. HylianAngel (talk) 02:01, April 10, 2022 (EDT)


 * Note: Fine, thank you very much.

Transparenting
How can we make the character artworks transparent? No fans like it that way.
 * This is described in the "Artwork" section of the upload policy that I linked earlier. It would need to be a separate upload, for some extremely specific cases. And in all other cases, except for those very specific cases, all instances on the wiki should showcase the highest-quality version of the official artwork, whether or not it has a background present. So that would include Animal Crossing: New Horizons/Gallery, where it would contradict the upload policy to have lower-quality transparent versions there.


 * There have actually been discussions about this transparent image issue in the past, such as here and seemingly the roots for the upload policy starting here. One of the problems is, not all villagers have an official transparent version of their NH artwork, and fan-made transparencies tend to be of poor quality. It's not clear what the best solution is. It might be worth bringing up this discussion again in Nookipedia talk:The Roost and gauging consensus on the best images to display. But as it is for the current standard, the images should not be reverted unless there's a new update to the policy (and even if there is a new standard, the transparencies would probably need to be separate uploads, so reverting the current images is not a good idea for right now.)


 * Also I could be misunderstanding some small details involving the policy, maybe User:AlexBot2004 could chime in with more information (if he isn't busy). He would know best, as the main author of modernizing and improving the upload policy. HylianAngel (talk) 04:24, April 10, 2022 (EDT)


 * Thank you.


 * No problem, glad this information could help. But yeah, it does seem at least several people in the community are in support of transparent images. Just for right now, it's best not to revert the currently-existing images, unless there's another amendment to the upload policy per community consensus. HylianAngel (talk) 04:44, April 10, 2022 (EDT)

Album cover trivia
I don't believe it is necessary to describe all other characters that exist on an album cover, in the trivia section for every villager's page. The notable part is that the villager does exist on the artwork, and not necessarily who else is on the cover and what they are interacting with. It's not useful to state that K.K. Slider is also there, because he is on every cover. The only cover he is not on would be Bubblegum K.K., and even then, his face is a pattern decorating the background of the artwork. HylianAngel (talk) 07:33, April 10, 2022 (EDT)

I am a bit borderline on this, since things like Whitney dancing with Wolfgang on the album cover are somewhat interesting trivia, but at a certain point, I think mentioning "there are multiple villagers" and K.K. being present on the cover might be not as interesting and it would be better to keep these descriptions isolated to the K.K. song pages. Though if a discussion is brought up about this and a large number of people disagree and think these features would be good to include in the villager page trivia, then I wouldn't mind, but I don't think it's good to mass-change this without maybe starting up a discussion first. In my opinion, it's just rehashing the descriptions that are already on the K.K. song pages, and the focus of the trivia is that the villager is present on the cover, and not about as much what they are doing. HylianAngel (talk) 07:45, April 10, 2022 (EDT)

Anyways again, I see where you are coming from with these edits, but this is going to be a big change that will affect a large number of pages, and the changes should be consistent. (For example, why is it notable to describe Cheri's appearance on K.K. Faire but not her appearance on I Love You. And also why is it appropriate to list all of the characters on K.K. Aria but not another album cover like K.K. Fusion.) I would encourage starting a discussion proposing the major change in the structure of all of the trivia that you plan to do, and some examples. (In fact, the person who initially added the album cover trivia onto villager pages asked beforehand if adding them was okay, and added them after receiving the indication that it was fine.) I'm going to revert most of these back to their simplified forms for now. HylianAngel (talk) 08:01, April 10, 2022 (EDT)

One thing that would be good to add: I think many pages are missing info about their appearances in the e-Reader card artwork. For example, Penny is in the K.K. Parade e-Reader art, so that would be good trivia to add to her page, and the fact that she gets replaced by Rod later. All of the NL/NH album covers are covered though. HylianAngel (talk) 08:04, April 10, 2022 (EDT)


 * Moses: Understood.

Special character New Leaf pics
For New Leaf, only 7 special characters had pics available in New Leaf, the rest of the special character pics were released in New Leaf - Welcome amiibo. So Happy Home Designer pics should be placed before their New Leaf - Welcome amiibo pics, due to game chronological release order (even though all of the image files on Nookipedia label the pics as "NL Model.png." Except for Bianca, Don, Jingle, Katie, K.K., Resetti, and Zipper's pics, where New Leaf should be before Happy Home Designer. HylianAngel (talk) 05:42, April 18, 2022 (EDT)


 * Moses: Thanks for warning.

Hunter's Hive
Thank you for adding the missing Hunter's Hive in this edit. I was wondering, where did you find info on Hunter's Hive second color? Currently the NL item spreadsheet has some missing secondary colors, so I might want to use the resource that you used. HylianAngel (talk) 23:49, May 7, 2022 (EDT)


 * Moses: Well, I work hard to search for that page, so thanks for praising me.


 * No problem. But I'm still confused, how did you find information on Hunter Hive's secondary color being Gray? I can't find this info anywhere else online, and I just want to make sure this info is accurate since this information hasn't been datamined yet. HylianAngel (talk) 03:51, May 8, 2022 (EDT)


 * Moses: First, go to a furniture page to find the image, and then, copy the image to bring it to the said page.


 * I'm not asking for help on adding an image to a page. I know how to do this, I've added images to pages before (like here). I'm asking where you obtained the 2nd color for Hunter's Hive. The NL item spreadsheet only lists "Brown/-" for the item, but you listed "Brown/Gray." I want to know where you obtained the value of "gray" from. HylianAngel (talk) 04:24, May 8, 2022 (EDT)


 * Moses: OK, I saw the image's other color looking gray, that was how.


 * I see, thank you for letting me know. Visually, it does seem likely that the secondary color is gray, and some color information is missing from the NL item spreadsheet, so it is a real possibility that this is the item's true secondary color. But for now, this information shouldn't be added until it's datamined or researched. Some furniture items have colors that are counterintuitive (for example, the guidelines the developers used to choose if certain pieces of furniture are brown or beige seem completely arbitrary). Since this information was determined visually rather than from in-game testing, a guide, or from a datamined source, it would be be better not to include this for now. (Even though it might be completely correct.) I thought that maybe you obtained it from a guide or from testing it yourself, because all of the other information such as the theme, style, and customization were accurate. HylianAngel (talk) 04:41, May 8, 2022 (EDT)


 * Moses: Deal.

Signature
I would like to take this moment to let you know that you cannot leave a talk page comment without using  at the end per our signature policy. While I could argue that your current method of identification would be enough to identify your message, it is also inadequate as it requires a link to your userpage. Please fix these issues as soon as possible. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 04:02, May 8, 2022 (EDT)


 * Moses: Sure, thanks.


 * You're still not signing properly. Please make sure you're using  to sign rather than the method you're using now. Thanks for your co-operation.  Drago   (talk)     Drago PC Villager Icon.png 10:22, May 9, 2022 (EDT)


 * Moses: Oh, sorry. User talk:Moses Sin 06:19, May 10, 2022 (EDT)
 * It's okay. Make sure you fix your signature so that it links to your userpage. Also, I highly recommend piping your links in order to label your links and in turn shorten the length of your signature. So for instance:  Make sure if you're going to use this signature, please checkmark "Treat signature as wikitext (without an automatic link)", otherwise the end result will be  [[User:Moses Sin|Moses Sin (talk) ]] (talk) -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 19:35, May 9, 2022 (EDT)


 * Moses: 😔 Moses Sin (talk) 07:55, May 10, 2022 (EDT)

Saharah Looms
Do not list the blue Loom before the yellow Loom, that contradicts the in-game order. HylianAngel (talk) 23:03, May 8, 2022 (EDT)

Also "Red Fish" should be listed before "Carp" for Chip, but the order is incorrect on the RV page. HylianAngel (talk) 23:12, May 8, 2022 (EDT)


 * Moses: All right.


 * I just told you that the order is incorrect, stop reverting this. HylianAngel (talk) 19:53, May 15, 2022 (EDT)
 * https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/629152084914077708/975548452400402462/139.png HylianAngel (talk) 20:01, May 15, 2022 (EDT)

Unnecessary syntax changes to the RV template
We've had to revert this type of edit from you more than 3 times now, please do not add this again. The template automatically creates the image, so specifying it is unnecessary unless the item has a variant. HylianAngel (talk) 07:05, May 9, 2022 (EDT)


 * Moses: Fine, thank you.

New Leaf Items
I'm not sure where you're obtaining your data for New Leaf items or if you're making educated guesses, but it's becoming a consistent issue now. You keep changing values that are already correct into incorrect values, as seen here, here, and here. You should be using the New Leaf item spreadsheet. (I mentioned this before, but some secondary colors for items are missing in the NL spreadsheet, but other than that, it has the most accurate info.) So don't guess colors or copy information from other websites which may potentially contain incorrect info, use the NL spreadsheet. HylianAngel (talk) 20:52, May 16, 2022 (EDT)


 * Moses: Sorry, but I can't ignore them. Moses Sin (talk) 08:55, May 17, 2022 (EDT)


 * I don't understand what you mean. You're changing correct color and money values into incorrect values. The New Leaf spreadsheet has datamined information and is an accurate source of data, you can't just make up values. HylianAngel (talk) 20:58, May 16, 2022 (EDT)


 * You're still changing correct values into incorrect values, dozens of times on multiple pages. There should be absolutely no reason for this when you've been provided a spreadsheet that contains all datamined information, other than specific color discrepancies involving customizable furniture only. If you refuse to use the New Leaf spreadsheet, you should not be adding this type of item information. You also keep adding credit to the New Leaf spreadsheet to the bottom of each item list when it's clear you're not using the spreadsheet at all. I shouldn't have to explain this multiple times, but you've ignored this each time. HylianAngel (talk) 08:23, June 7, 2022 (EDT)

Welcome amiibo RV Villagers
Welcome amiibo RV villagers can be invited from someone else's town, do not say they are amiibo cards only. The only Welcome amiibo villagers who are amiibo only are the following crossover characters:


 * Sanrio villagers: Chai, Chelsea, Rilla, Marty, Toby
 * Splatoon: Cece, Inkwell, Viché
 * Zelda: Epona, Ganon, Medli, W. Link
 * Monster Hunter: Felyne HylianAngel (talk) 22:13, May 22, 2022 (EDT)
 * While you're not wrong HylianAngel, I feel the the lack of any disclaimers for the Welcome amiibo villagers is likely going to mislead people into thinking you can obtain these villagers in all the same ways as the base game villagers when you actually can't, since these villagers still cannot move in via the random move-in process or the campsite (the tent one, not the one Harvey runs). Snapping Turtle NH Icon.pngThe Jacketed   Terrapin Soft-Shelled Turtle NH Icon.png 02:18, May 23, 2022 (EDT)
 * I agree that it would be good to note their unique move-in qualities compared to the base-game villagers. I hastily typed out the message because Moses Sin was in the process of mass-adding the information that the RV NLWa villagers were available via amiibo only. I think it should be noted, but the wording needs to be fixed first. HylianAngel (talk) 02:23, May 23, 2022 (EDT)
 * I'm not sure on the wording, but maybe something in this style would be more suited:
 * "In, [PLACEHOLDER] can only move to the player's town if his amiibo card is scanned, or if he is invited to move in from another player's town."
 * "In, [PLACEHOLDER] can only move to the player's town if her amiibo card is scanned, or if she is invited to move in from another player's town."
 * Ideally, the first instance of "player" and "town" in the article should be hyperlinked, but some villagers were introduced in Doubutsu no Mori e+ and would likely be the first mention of those words in the article. HylianAngel (talk) 02:49, May 23, 2022 (EDT)
 * Thanks for the tip. Moses Sin (talk) 22:05, May 23, 2022 (EDT)

New Horizons starting villagers
I don't think it's necessary to mention if a villager can't be a starting villager in New Horizons. This applies to all villagers except for those with jock and big sister personalities, so that's 330 villagers. It might be better to have a discussion (about whether to mention it) first and let a bot do the work if approved. Drago  (talk)      10:59, May 25, 2022 (EDT)
 * Fine. Moses Sin (talk) 6:20, May 26, 2022 (EDT)

Captioning the species pictures
It's probably not needed to caption the species pictures, like in this edit. Before mass-editing these pages, you should try to reach a consensus on The Roost first to see if it's a necessary or wanted type of edit. If there is an overall consensus to have this caption, then we can easily automate it in order to save you a lot of time and effort. HylianAngel (talk) 06:28, July 1, 2022 (EDT)