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Post new topics below! Drago  (talk)      11:03, January 1, 2019 (EST)

Non-English names as redirects/disambiguation pages
So I have been thinking of an idea that could potentially benefit any of our non-English native readers (who may be more familiar with the non-English names of certain villagers/characters), and my idea is to take all of the villager/character names that were never used in English localizations and turn them into redirects. For example, the name "Xavier" is exclusive to the French version of Animal Crossing, being the name used for Pigleg, so if a French reader wants to look for "Xavier" on this Wiki, a redirect might help.

For the names that have been used by multiple characters, those should be disambiguation pages. For instance, the name "Pablo" was used for three different villagers, all in different languages: Chico in German, Claude in Spanish, and Otis in Italian. It should look something like this:
 * ''Pablo may refer to three villagers in the ':


 * ''*The German name of Chico, a mouse villager.
 * ''*The Spanish name of Claude, a rabbit villager.
 * ''*The Italian name of Otis, a bird villager

The only concern I have is if the German-exclusive names should be turned into redirect/disamb pages since we already have an affiliated German Wiki that mainly covers the German localization stuff, but other than that, I don't see any problem with this.

Any objections to this idea? The Jacketed   Terrapin  05:40, August 2, 2022 (EDT)
 * This sounds like a nice idea. Also although the German wiki exists, German visitors may still visit Nookipedia and search for a villager via the search bar out of curiosity, so it would still be good to have German redirect/disambiguation pages. HylianAngel (talk) 20:47, August 2, 2022 (EDT)
 * per the above. ~ AlexBot2004  ( Talk ) 20:33, November 18, 2022 (EST)

Discussion on dialogue pages
While I believe these pages have some sort of place on this wiki, I believe that the way they are presented is inconsistent and unformatted. Compare Mr. Resetti/Animal Crossing dialogue with The Roost/New Horizons dialogue.

It's long overdue at this point, but I'm willing to have a standardization format for dialogue pages at this point. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 10:09, August 13, 2022 (EDT)


 * I much prefer the format of the New Horizons page. I think we should work on getting the dialogue pages for older games up to that standard. Drago   (talk)     Drago PC Villager Icon.png 11:15, August 13, 2022 (EDT)

Portuguese names
So while doing some browsing, I have found 11 pages that have the Brazilian flag in their langtables:
 * Animal Crossing: Sweet Day
 * Animal Crossing Calculator
 * Animal Crossing Clock
 * Animal Crossing Plaza
 * Fortune Cookie
 * Harvey
 * Isabelle
 * Island Tour Creator
 * Jack (only for the "Czar of Halloween" title)
 * Player
 * Villager (Super Smash Bros. series)

As far as I'm aware, no mainline Animal Crossing game has ever had a Portuguese localization, so we only have spin-offs and crossovers to go off of.

First off, I know for sure Villager got their name from stuff like Mario Kart 8 and both versions of Smash 4, which do have Portuguese localizations.

Second, there are only two Animal Crossing spin-offs that have both a Portuguese translation and every character from a mainline installment available: Plaza and amiibo Festival, with both have the entirety of New Leaf's roster (albeit only the vanilla version), with the latter game also having Lottie.

Additionally, Smash 4 features Animal Crossing characters that are not in either of the aforementioned games, those being Wisp, Serena, and Frillard (no idea if the Snow Family appears in amiibo Festival, though ).

From this, we can deduce that every villager and special characters available in vanilla New Leaf, in addition to the ones only in Smash 4, have official Portuguese names. However, going by Isabelle and Harvey's pages, it appears they're all likely just the same as their English ones, so it makes me wonder if there's even a point in listing them (then again, we do have all of the Dutch names listed, but Dutch has at least been used in one mainline installment (New Horizons), not to mention Dom does have a Dutch-exclusive name, that being Donny).

Speaking of Harvey, where did his Portuguese name even come from? None of the games he appears in have Portuguese localizations, so I can only assume it has to have come from non-gaming material.

Finally, although the 3DS and Wii U supposedly support Brazilian Portuguese, according to Mario Wiki, the crossover games I mentioned above (MK8 and Smash 4) only support the European variant. I can't confirm if this is also the case with both Wii U Animal Crossing games, but regardless, I question why the langtables use the Brazilian flag for Portuguese rather than the flag of Portugal (especially since both French and Spanish use the flags from their countries of origin and only use the Quebec and Mexican flags when there are regional differences between both of them).

Overall, the main question of this entire discussion is whether we should list all of the characters' (and perhaps some other stuff, too) Portuguese names and if so, whether we should use the Portuguese flag or the Brazilian flag when referring to the language in the langtables, because I find it rather odd that only 4 characters on this entire Wiki have Portuguese names listed on their pages. The Jacketed   Terrapin  16:51, August 13, 2022 (EDT)
 * Okay, so thanks to Chubby Bub on Discord, we have been able to determine that only amiibo Festival has had a Portuguese translation and it appears only the PAL version has it, likely meaning no Animal Crossing was ever translated in Brazilian Portuguese.
 * Additionally, we have discovered that three villagers do not use their English names, but rather their German ones instead. They are:
 * Tutu, who is named "Mandy".
 * Coco, whose name is spelt "Koko".
 * Frita, who is named "Martina".
 * And as a bonus: Spork is named "Crackle" like how he is called in PAL English, Timmy & Tommy are formatted as "Timmy e Tommy", and Boy and Girl are "Rapaz" and "Rapariga" respectively.
 * Outside of all those, everyone has their English name retained. So now the question is: Do we replace the Brazilian flag with the Portuguese one since we now know only the European variant has been used in an Animal Crossing game? Snapping Turtle NH Icon.pngThe Jacketed   Terrapin Soft-Shelled Turtle NH Icon.png 05:44, September 12, 2022 (EDT)
 * I splitting up Brazilian and European Portuguese in the Foreignname template, like we already do with Spanish and French. ~  AlexBot2004  ( Talk ) 20:33, November 18, 2022 (EST)

Successful proposal to (re)separate Doubutsu no Mori+ and Dòngwù Sēnlín
As this will impact a number of articles, I wanted to give a heads up here that Chubby Bub's proposal to (re)separate Doubutsu no Mori+ and Dòngwù Sēnlín content has been successful. The proposal can be viewed here in the proposal archive. For any interested editors, please coordinate with Chubby and others to update our coverage of these games. Cheers, ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 01:19, August 18, 2022 (EDT)

Question about uploading
How do I source images from Google Search? K o o p e r  23:53, August 25, 2022 (EDT)


 * I think you click on "Copy image address" and paste it in the source thing but I'm not sure. DuckyBlox (talk) 14:27, September 28, 2022 (EDT)


 * Google Search will always list the original source underneath the image, so just click that link to double-check that the image still exists on that website then copy-paste that website link. HylianAngel (talk) 14:34, September 28, 2022 (EDT)

Add "real-life information" section for item pages
Something that I feel like certain item pages (such as New Year's Noodles, Osechi, and Bean-Tossing Kit could have is a real-life information section regarding the origins of the item in real-life. It would help readers to know the item better, especially for the // exclusive items.

What do you think? -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 05:13, August 26, 2022 (EDT)


 * Yeah, I had to google some of these things when I first read about them, so I think this is a great idea! 💜Toadalind💜 (talk) 16:19, August 27, 2022 (EDT)
 * Sounds good. Many readers will be unfamiliar with certain Japanese items. Drago   (talk)     Drago PC Villager Icon.png 11:26, September 2, 2022 (EDT)
 * Per everyone. --Dr. Peach (talk) 20:06, September 4, 2022 (EDT)

Terminology change for "Nook Miles Redemption"
" Nook Miles Redemption " as an availability source is somewhat vague as to where it can be obtain. I was thinking that perhaps it could be changed to " Nook Stop (from the "Redeem Nook Miles" section) " for each and every item page currently with "Nook Miles Redemption" and deprecated said source being used. The latter is more accurate as to how the items are obtained. Another idea is to change it to "Nook Mileage Program", but I'm leaning towards "Nook Stop" since that is where the item is purchasable from. Thoughts? -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 10:12, September 9, 2022 (EDT)


 * Makes sense since it simplifies due to it being a more generic term that can apply to anything. --Dr. Peach (talk) 19:07, September 9, 2022 (EDT)
 * yeah, it’ll be simpler. 💜Toadalind💜 (talk) 09:13, September 10, 2022 (EDT)
 * I changing it to " Nook Miles NH Icon Cropped.png Nook Stop (from the "Redeem Nook Miles" section) ", as it makes it clearer where you actually buy the item. ~  AlexBot2004  ( Talk ) 20:33, November 18, 2022 (EST)

Add villager rarities for NH
Each villager's rarity is determined by their species and personality (the former being for mystery island tours and the latter being for campsite visits). I think we should add villager rarities for NH because NH is the only main series game where villagers can be more common than others. It could also inform people if it's better to invite this villager through mystery island tours or campsite visits (excluding amiibo and other players islands obviously). If mystery island and boat tour chances are there, I think villager rarities can be there too. What do you guys think? K o o p e r  17:01, October 10, 2022 (EDT)
 * Isn't the information on rarity already on Mystery Island Tour or Campsite? Or are you suggesting that we put rarity values for each villager on their page? -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 17:29, October 10, 2022 (EDT)
 * I was suggesting on putting the rarity values K  o o p e r Nintendo 64 Logo.png 17:34, October 10, 2022 (EDT)
 * For each villager's page? -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 18:15, October 10, 2022 (EDT)
 * Pretty much. K  o o p e r Nintendo 64 Logo.png 18:24, October 10, 2022 (EDT)
 * I don't necessary agree. I'd argue that those type of information belong to the respective pages I've mentioned above. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 00:02, October 11, 2022 (EDT)
 * While it could go to those respective pages, I meant adding rarities for every villager (excluding sanrio). So I guess it could go either way. K  o o p e r Nintendo 64 Logo.png 00:31, October 11, 2022 (EDT)
 * I'm unclear what data could be added involving campsites for villagers. While it's true the personality determines it, the increased chances of the camper are based on which personalities you don't have living in your town, which will be different per player. Excluding that, the save file records villagers you've had in your town/campsite before, and if they've "lived" there before, they do not have a chance of spawning in your campsite (until you've seen everyone). So for campsite, although personality helps determine it, there's not really a concrete or unique % you can add to, say, a cranky villager's page that would be different from a jock villager's page. It would be better to detail this information on the Campsite page, where it can be explained more comprehensively.
 * For Mystery Island Tours, the percentage can vary greatly depending on who lives on your island. You can greatly increase the chances of the appearances of other species by having all 3 octopi or all 7 rhinos living on your island. Even without eliminating a species, villagers who already live on your island will alter all related species percentages (like if you had 1 cat, 1 dog, 1 monkey, 3 pigs, etc. the ranges for everything changes). So this would make it difficult to add a % to NH boxes, it would be a pretty big range that might not be very helpful. It would also be better to detail this information on the Mystery Island Tour page where it can be explained more comprehensively.
 * Additionally, the NH villager boxes detail "unique" aspects that are different from other villagers of the same species and personality; for example, the Petal Parasol was chosen for Azalea because of her unique flower theme, it was not applied to all rhinos or all snooties. Other villagers may have the Petal Parasol, but it was not uniformly applied to all of them due to their species or personality. Mystery Island Tour percentages are uniformly applied to all characters of a species, making virtually no difference between Azalea, Tank, Merengue, etc., it's a species aspect and not a unique villager aspect. HylianAngel (talk) 02:16, October 11, 2022 (EDT)

Common name situation
There was a lot of discussions earlier about renaming Zipper T. Bunny to Zipper here but the gist here is that as it stands our Manuel of Style does not currently have a criteria for what page title to use for a special character. suggested 4 different naming system in that discussion, so to recap:


 * Naming system #1 suggests to use the datamined nameplates from the special characters as the title of their page (e.g. K.K. Slider -> K.K.).
 * Naming system #2 suggests to use the full name of the special characters as the title of their page (e.g. Mabel -> Mabel Able).
 * Naming system #3 suggests to use the name that the special character first introduces themselves, so the two outliers would be "Don Resetti" to "Don" and "Zipper T. Bunny" to "Zipper".
 * Naming system #4 suggests to use the common name as per Wikipedia's policy. It will require more thorough research with each names, but HylianAngel does mention some examples in the talk page discussion as I pointed out before.

Would like to hear some thoughts about this. As it stands, it's an inconsistent structure for some special characters to use their full names, and some to not use their full names. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 17:00, October 13, 2022 (EDT)


 * To me, the fourth option is the obvious way to go. None of the first three options are appropriate if applied all characters. The current way is basically the fourth because it's the most intuitive for an encyclopedia to use, and it's not an "inconsistent structure" because the system is to use the name that best identifies the article to the reader without prior knowledge of the character. Imagine saying "do you know X? They're a character from Animal Crossing." These are the names used to refer to the character as a whole, telling you who they are, not just their name. And let me use this to demonstrate why the other three options are wrong for certain characters, even while they do work fine for others:


 * 1) K.K. Slider is a stage name for which "K.K." is just an abbreviation of anyway. If you're talking about him without assumption of prior knowledge, he's "K.K. Slider". Otherwise, he's familiarly, and when speaking to him, "K.K." It obviously helps no one to call the page "K.K." by itself. Similarly for Don, see my explanation following.


 * 2) Mabel is hardly ever known as "Mabel Able", to everyone she's just Mabel. Calling the page "Mabel Able" would be like calling K.K. Slider's page Totakeke (in English, a name he uses, but only ever once, by himself to introduce himself.) And I don't know if "Sonny Resetti" is actually ever put together in dialogue. He says in, and : "Name's Resetti. Mr. Resetti." However, the lead's  should use the full name, which is currently done.


 * 3) is much the same as 1), as these characters introduce themselves to be familiar. And that's only in, which shouldn't necessarily take priority— just because "T. Bunny" isn't used in it doesn't mean "Zipper T. Bunny" isn't his name, and it would usually by used by someone to introduce the character. If he had a different name like Bliss/Caroline, that'd be a different case. Another example, the title "Don Resetti" is commonly used because it identifies him as Mr. Resetti's brother. Further proving my point on the most common name, in Resetti himself says "The name's Resetti. Most people call me Mr. Resetti, on account of me bein' a respected member of the community and such."


 * For further examples, see 's breakdown on the Zipper talk page (I can call him that here because he's been established). However, her breakdown of #4 is mistaken because the intention of WP:COMMONNAME is the most commonly used (i.e. recognizable) name by people and therefore readers, so this would not be just what appears the most in the game dialogue, though that is a factor. (That's not to say we should use fan names like "terraforming", which is a great redirect and belongs in the lead, but is never used in-game and a misnomer.)


 * This was a long response, but in the end I strongly the use of a single type of name being applied to anyone (#1-3), and think we should use the most recognizable, commonly used name ( #4)— which, with the possible exception of Dr. Shrunk, whom I have been wondering about for a while, is what is currently in place. Chubby Bub (talk) 03:21, October 14, 2022 (EDT)
 * option #4 per Chubby Bub; it makes the most sense to use the name most people refer to the characters by. ~ AlexBot2004  ( Talk ) 14:39, October 14, 2022 (EDT)


 * I also a single type of name for special characters and would strongly  using the #4 naming structure to remove any sort of confusion for any users new to the series or just overall unfamiliar with the other names those characters went by. Keeping to their most commonly used name will just just overall make it easier, regardless of the inconsistencies of their format/structuring. ~  Poizon  Mushro0m PoizonMush Sig.png 17:39, October 16, 2022 (EDT)

Infoboxes and "names in other languages"
I don't think infoboxes should contain a "names in other languages" section. Here are the reasons why it doesn't make sense:


 * 1) Many articles, such as villager articles, duplicate this identical information again near the bottom of the page. Having it listed twice is redundant.
 * 2) Due to the information being listed twice, there are scenarios where the info may be listed in the infobox but not in the dedicated section of the article, and vice versa. This creates syncing errors. (See the most recent version of the Shampoodle page, where some entries are present in the infobox but not in the dedicated section.)
 * 3) Just as villager names having a dedicated "names in other languages" section allows for more detailed information involving interesting name trivia, moving all of the villager catchphrases from the infobox to its own language section at the bottom of the page allows for editors to add more detailed information involving interesting catchphrase trivia. (I'm not as sure about item pages, where identically-named items across several mainline games would need to be monitored to be synced.)
 * 4) I don't really view tall infoboxes as an issue, but some may view the unnecessarily tall infoboxes as a problem, especially on mobile. Removing the duplicated information from the infobox would help a bit with the tall infobox issue.
 * 5) While we don't need to necessarily follow the practices of other wikis, other wikis typically do not list language info section in the infoboxes, and they just keep this information in the dedicated section.

Would people be in support of removing the "names in other languages" from infoboxes? The language information will still exist, it just will only be listed once at the bottom of the article, rather than listed twice. This idea would need to be pushed as a proposal, since it will affect a lot of pages. HylianAngel (talk) 05:11, October 22, 2022 (EDT)
 * I think I would like this concept, but I'm not entirely sure with item pages. I also think it's going to be difficult trying to copy each and every single language parameter into Foreignname, and mass-romanization them is difficult due to lack of good options. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 10:08, October 22, 2022 (EDT)
 * I would be in favour of a more fleshed out languages section in each article, instead of the current redundancy with the infobox. I'm open to arguments for keeping names in the infobox, but I definitely support removing villager phrases from being displayed there.
 * I believe (and I may be wrong) that the API currently relies on those names being stored in the infobox. So, perhaps we could at least redesign the languages template to inherit this data from the infobox. This would avoid the need to edit different places separately and keep information in sync. --Shark HHD Icon.png Dorsal Axe  (talk) 11:45, November 25, 2022 (EST)
 * I like the concept, but how exactly would we inherit the infobox data straight to Foreignnames? We can't use the Variables extensions at the moment, as it is uncertain where the extension will go come Parasoid. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 12:50, November 25, 2022 (EST)

Proposal to not create individual amiibo pages
This may be an odd proposal, but I suggest that we do not create individual pages for amiibo cards and figures. While there was no proposal that we should create these pages, the idea was posed in some of the comments on the successful proposal to create individual e-Reader card pages. This proposal set sort of a precedent that since e-cards will get pages, amiibo will too, and they were even part of this proposal as if it had already been confirmed that we would create these pages.

The reason I think we shouldn't create amiibo pages is that there simply isn't enough information to warrant individual pages. The in-game functionality of the cards and figures is broad enough that it can be (and is) covered on the amiibo page. It would be redundant to note this info on individual card pages, and there isn't really anything unique about each individual card that can't be placed in the A-card template on the respective character's page.

This would also clear up the issue we ran into about what to name the namespace the e-Reader card pages will be placed in (see here), as we would only be creating e-card pages anyway. ~ AlexBot2004  ( Talk ) 13:32, October 24, 2022 (EDT)
 * So I'm the person who suggested that we create pages on amiibo cards and figures, and from reading the proposal, while I think there aren't many in-game functions with them, there are many instances that the amiibo are used in other titles like Smash Bros. But I think that belongs on the amiibo page if anything. For the moment though, I  this proposal. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 13:54, October 24, 2022 (EDT)
 * Agreed that there isn't enough content for each individual amiibo to warrant a page, and that it can be sufficiently covered on at amiibo and individual character pages. ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 20:40, November 18, 2022 (EST)

Move special character quotes to be inside infobox
After further evaluation and the implementation of NHSpecialCharacterInfo, I was thinking to move the quote present on many character's that are basically their favorite saying (or "quote") from their picture to the main Infobox Special template. And at the same time, replace it with a quote that is directly from the games, perhaps their most notable ones.

What do you think? -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 11:09, October 26, 2022 (EDT)
 * Per the above. HylianAngel (talk) 16:47, October 26, 2022 (EDT)
 * per the above. ~ AlexBot2004  ( Talk ) 20:33, November 18, 2022 (EST)
 * Also per above. 💜Toadalind💜 (talk) 08:40, December 3, 2022 (EST)

Adding photo
I’m just wondering if you can put a photo on without a computer? I’m using a tablet right now and I want to put a photo on my account!
 * Yes, you can upload images from any device by going to this page. ~ AlexBot2004  ( Talk ) 12:48, October 28, 2022 (EDT)

Determining capitalization for objects
Recently the names on Public works project were changed to use their in-game lowercase names per Nookipedia:Manual of Style as public work projects were not items and "should be based on how they are capitalized in-game in their most recent appearance". I do not agree with how it is done here however. The lowercasing of these objects for this particular table is jarring especially in comparison to how most table list goes. I just feel like something is really off by enforcing the usage of their in-game names (which are lowercased) At the same time, their status as non-items means they cannot be subjected to have proper case.

I suggest we change our capitalization policy for objects. I have three options that we can decide for pages like these.
 * Option A: Adopt proper casing for objects. This is fairly straightfoward, names like "pile of pipes" will be converted to "Pile of Pipes".
 * Option B: Adopt sentence casing for objects in terms of tables, templates, and infoboxes. So for a table, "pile of pipes" will simply become "Pile of pipes", but when it is not used in a table, we can simply use "pile of pipes".
 * Option C: Enforce in-game names for objects. As such, we stick with "pile of pipes".

Note though that this will only primarily deal with public works projects, bridges, inclines, and objects. Meanwhile, facilities are what I feel are actual locations and not really objects for the purposes of this discussion.

My personal choice is A, following by B. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 16:02, November 14, 2022 (EST)
 * I Option B; it is the standard to capitalize the first letter of any sentence or name in a table/template/infobox, regardless of whether it would be capitalized in the prose of an article. ~  AlexBot2004  ( Talk ) 16:39, November 14, 2022 (EST)

Sterling the eagle is missing in some articles
I have noticed that in some articles such as the list of neighbors or the one about the eagles, Sterling is not included. The truth is not that it happened --2806:102E:21:CFCB:6187:AB36:CF7D:D940 23:37, November 19, 2022 (EST)
 * Thanks for pointing it out! A cargo table needed to be refreshed, so Sterling should be back now. HylianAngel (talk) 08:21, November 20, 2022 (EST)

Hong Kong or Taiwan
Generally speaking, when considering our usage of Chinese character, we usually denote it with the flag of the for Simplified Chinese, and the flag of  for Traditional Chinese. I'd like to know though, why are we specifying Hong Kong as the representative for Traditional Chinese? Why not the flag of, a country that has more population than Hong Kong and therefore has more users of Traditional Chinese? -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 02:20, November 25, 2022 (EST)

Notice regarding the capitalization proposal
With five votes in support of the changes in our capitalization policy in Nookipedia:Proposals, the majority of users here support using the in-game names of items throughout the. As we're nearing close to the end of the capitalization policy change proposal though, I'd like each and every one of you to refrain from moving or changing the names of each item except only outside of the Item namespace. (e.g. fixing the item names found in the I template)

I plan to automatically move the item pages and rename the items once the policy changes are set in place, and I don't need problems down the road. So far though, I need to troubleshoot some issues with my pywikibot installation before running the process, as I do not want the process to be disrupted by CSRF token issues. I hope everyone can understand. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 22:32, November 25, 2022 (EST)