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Post new topics below! Drago  (talk)      11:03, January 1, 2019 (EST)

Image category organization
I noticed that there's an incomplete organizational setup involving image categories in the wiki. There seems to be a useful category, Category:Animal Crossing: New Leaf pictures (see talk page), that was left unused mostly and I questioned if it's necessary. I do think there can be use for that category, but only if other similar subcategories of images are created (e.g. Animal Crossing: New Leaf flowers), so I think we should create more categories (while also completing this category) and if those subcategories make sense. 19:13, January 1, 2020 (EST)
 * This discussion could be an extension of 2019#Creation of subcategories for . Sorting things out would be great for those categories, but may require tedious work. I'm actually working on scripts that could do exactly that, which have to be sanctioned of course, but there needs to be some agreement on which categories are needed. I'm thinking of the following archetype for New Leaf, which still needs refinement:
 * Category:New Leaf images (Rationale for such format: (1) Category:Welcome amiibo Images uses the short name, (2) Category:Animal Crossing: New Horizons images uses lowercase, and (3) "New Leaf" and so on are already unambiguous.)
 * Category:New Leaf screenshots (most screenshots in Category:Animal Crossing: New Leaf Images that don't apply in subsequent categories)
 * Category:New Leaf pre-release screenshots (Category:Animal Crossing: New Leaf pre-release images could be moved to this since there are only images of screenshots and nothing else in said category)
 * Category:New Leaf villager houses (File:House of Etoile NLa.jpg), could be a subcategory of Category:Villager houses
 * Category:New Leaf letters (File:Letter Isabelle NL Town Anniversary.jpg and in Category:Letters)
 * Category:New Leaf events (File:Toy Day NL wrong present aftermath.jpg)
 * Category:New Leaf pictures (File:ResettiPicACNL.png; also why are most pictures in Category:Welcome amiibo Images?!
 * Category:New Leaf furniture (File:24 Hour Counter.jpg; there doesn't seem to be much since we're using HHD icons)
 * Category:New Leaf sprites (File:30,000 Bells NL Icon.png)
 * Category:New Leaf clothing
 * Category:New Leaf bottoms (File:Arctic-camo Pants.jpg and in Category:Bottoms)
 * Category:New Leaf tops (File:Blue Diamond Shirt.jpg and in Category:Tops)
 * Category:New Leaf dresses (File:Pharaoh's Outfit.jpg and in Category:Dresses)
 * Category:New Leaf footwear (including socks and shoes)
 * Category:New Leaf bugs (File:New Leaf Museum Butterflies.jpg)
 * Category:New Leaf fish (File:NL-fsh-suzuki.png and most in Category:Fish Images)
 * Category:New Leaf deep sea creatures (File:Lobster NL.png)
 * Category:New Leaf character art (File:Angus NL.png and File:Katie NLa.png)
 * Category:New Leaf model renders (File:Chip NL Model.png; should not include those such as File:NL-fsh-suzuki.png)
 * Some of these may potentially be overkill (letters? or categories for types of clothing if there aren't much to begin with?) although the archetype shown above could be used as a basis for further discussion on this topic. My rationale for this is to facilitate searching for media, as the current Category:Animal Crossing: New Leaf Images is too polluted, and the only way to search for, for instance, a particular villager's picture is to go to their article. I have also noted the omission of  in naming these categories, which can also be discussed. (Also can we archive discussions above this one to Nookipedia talk:Community Fountain/2019?) User:DecomposerEmotion Icon - Curiosity (NL) cropped.pngEmotion Icon - Pride (NL) cropped.png 04:46, January 2, 2020 (EST)


 * I'm in agreement with all of these categories including the shortening of the category names to remove the leading 'Animal Crossing'. I would also propose that we put the system into place for all future images uploaded to the site and start retroactively organizing images beginning with . One more note, we actually have lots of (non-HHD icon) images of ACNL furniture, they're just categorized in Category:Game Screenshots along with thousands of other images. I believe most of them were uploaded by Mario though, so we could find a good chunk of them by sorting through their contributions. Let me know if there's anything I can do to help with this. Sunmarshsignature.png  ( talk )  23:49, January 2, 2020 (EST)
 * I don't know if Administrators and whatnot have tools for mass editing all the pages linked in some page with specific criteria. For instance, all files in Picture that end with  are part of Category:Animal Crossing: Wild World pictures (apparently that category already exists!), and those ending in   should be part of Category:Animal Crossing: New Leaf pictures (but they aren't). I'm seeing if I can add arbitrary text (e.g.,  ) to all pages that are linked there that meet said criteria, and I will conduct a few tests in Pictures in the coming days before finally categorizing all of them. (For developers, the libraries I am writing are all in sonchou and go-mwclient.)
 * I think it's best that the categories be first created?, if you strongly believe that these categories are appropriate, could you create them and populate with some pictures belonging to said categories, as well as move Category:Animal Crossing: New Leaf Images, Category:Animal Crossing: New Leaf screenshots, and other established categories, at least for New Leaf only, to their shortened forms? Because I'm thinking of waiting for other opinions on such a heavy topic (considering it deals with how we categorize Nookipedia media) and establishing consensus. User:DecomposerEmotion Icon - Curiosity (NL) cropped.pngEmotion Icon - Pride (NL) cropped.png 00:52, January 3, 2020 (EST)
 * If they're overkill, that's fine. Just be bold. :) I did also upload a lot of images from the Prima Guide for New Leaf (RIP Prima), but didn't categorize them because the category, don't think it existed? We should definitely create more categories before more images get uploaded and we get swamped. Heck, I'm working on uploading custom furniture images. There should be a category for images of refurbished furniture (subcategory under furniture), by the way. 01:01, January 3, 2020 (EST)


 * I've made all of the proposed categories for and  and tried to tag all the old categories with move requests, but I'm sure I missed some. We have a text-replacement tool, so it would be relatively simple to move all images from one category to another, however to my knowledge, there would be no way to select just a subset of images in a category to recategorize. HotCat which makes the process quicker but still requires per-image category adjustment; this tool is available to everyone. Also I didn't mean to place any blame on you  for not categorizing the images- we didn't have a system set up at the time. I appreciate the time taken to upload all the images in the first place! $)$ I'll move some sample images into the new categories where available and will move existing categories to their new location over the next few days, if there are no objections. Sunmarshsignature.png  ( talk )  15:00, January 3, 2020 (EST)
 * Just wanted to update here that I had placed at least one image in each of the newly created categories. I will be mass-replacing categories tomorrow (e.g. Category:Animal Crossing: New Leaf Images becomes Category:New Leaf images) and then deleting the old categories. So speak now or forever hold your piece lol. Sunmarshsignature.png  ( talk ) 
 * Another update: All existing ACNL & ACNH categories and their images have been migrated to the new categories. Let me know if I missed any. I tried to fix any templates that would be affected by this (like Infobox Villager, Fish, and Bug), and I think I got them all, but I'm sure there is something I missed. If you know of a template that uses  you might want to check it. Sunmarshsignature.png  ( talk )  21:21, January 5, 2020 (EST)
 * ?Final? update: Categories for all games (that I could find) have been moved to their new location. I double checked the former categories to make sure no images were left behind. I also checked to make sure that any templates that are using  have been updated appropriately. The only thing left to do is to make sure all uploaded images have been (properly) categorized, and I suppose sometime down the line we might want to consider creating additional category pages for games prior to New Leaf to further categorize those images. Sunmarshsignature.png  ( talk )  16:35, January 6, 2020 (EST)

Excellent work in recategorizing and populating, all! Regarding other games than New Leaf, the above archetype can be modified to suit each game, depending on the media available in each of Category:Images by game:


 * Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) images (should supersede Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) Images)
 * Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) screenshots (already exists but some images here could be recategorized e.g., to letters or events)
 * Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) sprites (File:10,000 Bells PG Icon.png and those that end in  or  )
 * Category:Sprites in Animal Island (File:AIGarbageSprite.png)
 * Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) artwork (File:AbleSistersArtworkGCN.jpeg, File:ACHouseWallpaper.jpg)
 * Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) merchandise (File:ACGCCalendarFront.png)
 * Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) letters (File:Letter Mom someone special ACGC.png and in Category:Letters)
 * Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) events (File:PGKatrinaNewYearsDayAdvice.png, File:FireworksAC.jpg)
 * Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) bugs (File:GCNPillBug.png and, although somehow there are also File:RedDragonFlyGCN.png and File:Red Dragonfly (Animal Crossing).png, which follow different naming conventions)
 * Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) fish (should supersede Category:Animal Forest+ fish) (File:Giant Catfish PG Icon.png, File:Giant Catfish sprite.png, and File:AngelfishGCN.png all have different naming conventions)
 * Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) character art (File:Ace PG.png and, but also Resetti PG Japan.png and  )
 * Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) model renders (File:Ellie PG Model.png and )
 * Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) villager houses (File:House of Tad.jpg; File:House of Blaire PG.png and )


 * Category:Doubutsu no Mori images (should supersede Category:Doubutsu no Mori Images as per lowercase discussion)
 * Category:Doubutsu no Mori character art (File:Bangle DnM.png and )
 * Category:Doubutsu no Mori screenshots (File:Bell Shrine DnM.png)
 * Category:Doubutsu no Mori villager houses (File:House of Sven DnM.jpg and )
 * Category:Doubutsu no Mori bugs (File:BandedDragonflyGCN.png; should supersede Category:Animal Forest bugs, )
 * Category:Doubutsu no Mori fish (File:BassGCN.png; should supersede Category:Animal Forest fish, )


 * Category:Doubutsu no Mori e+ images (should supersede Category:Doubutsu no Mori e+ Images as per lowercase discussion)
 * Category:Doubutsu no Mori e+ character art (File:Alice DnMe+.png and )
 * Category:Doubutsu no Mori e+ screenshots (File:DnMe+Benedict.png, File:DnMe+TitleScreen.png)
 * Category:Doubutsu no Mori e+ bugs (should supersede Category:Animal Forest e+ bugs)
 * Category:Doubutsu no Mori e+ fish (should supersede Category:Animal Forest e+ fish)
 * Category:Doubutsu no Mori e+ villager houses (File:House of Chrissy DnMe+.png and )
 * Category:e-Reader cards (File:Animal Forest e+ e-Card 003 (Rod).png and ; would be a subcategory for Category:Cards)


 * Category:Wild World images
 * Category:Wild World character art (File:Agent S WW.png and )
 * Category:Wild World bugs (File:Agrias Butterfly WW Icon.png)
 * Category:Wild World fish (File:Angelfish WW.png)
 * Category:Wild World pictures (already exists)
 * Category:Wild World sprites (File:Dandelion.gif, File:Golden Shovel.gif, LFile:Off Air Test WW JP.png)
 * Category:Wild World villager houses (File:House of Bill WW.jpg)
 * Category:Wild World artwork (File:K.K. Slider WW Wallpaper.jpg, File:SeasonsWW.jpg)
 * Category;Wild World letters (File:Letter Mom great dad WW.gif, ; File:WWHayseedHilda.jpg)
 * Category:Wild World model renders (File:Pinky WW Model.png)
 * Category:Wild World screenshots
 * Category:Wild World pre-release screenshots (File:Wild World Beta 1.jpg, File:WWBetaPockets1.jpg, File:Wild World Beta 4.jpg)
 * Category:Wild World events (File:Yay Day.jpg)


 * Category:City Folk images
 * Category:City Folk character art (File:Amelia CF.png)
 * Category:City Folk model renders (File:Apollo CF Model.png)
 * Category:City Folk screenshots (File:BusStop-City.png, File:CFBudEyelashLady.jpg)
 * Category;City Folk sprites (File:Bell CF Icon L.png, File:1,000 Bells CF Icon.png)
 * Category:Emotion icons in City Folk (File:Agreement CF Icon.png, File:Outrage CF Icon.png; these may be absorbed in sprites though)
 * Category:City Folk events (File:CFTortimerNewYear.jpeg, File:Fireworks-InTheSky.jpg)
 * Category:City Folk villager houses (File:House of Alfonso CF.jpg)


 * Category:Happy Home Designer images (see discussion in Category talk:Animal Crossing: New Leaf pictures)
 * Category;Happy Home Designer screenshots (anything that does not fall in the subsequent categories e.g., File:Department store 3.PNG, File:HHDCroqueSomeNumber.jpg)
 * Category:Happy Home Designer requests (File:Astrid HHD Request.png, File:AlfonsoHHD.png)
 * Category:Happy Home Designer character art (File:Alfonso HHD.png)
 * Category:Happy Home Designer character icons (already populated)
 * Category:Happy Home Designer bug sprites (File:Darner Dragonfly HHD Icon.png; images like these are uncategorized)
 * Category:Happy Home Designer fish sprites (File:Pale Chub HHD Icon.png; images like these are uncategorized)
 * Category:Happy Home Designer furniture icons (other images are scattered in other categories)
 * Category:Happy Home Designer clothing icons (File:Alpinist Dress HHD Icon.png; so far the only image I've seen)


 * Category:amiibo Festival images (should supersede Category:Amiibo Festival Images as per lowercase discussion)
 * Category:amiibo Festival character art (File:Timmy & Tommy AF.png, File:Reese AF.png; )
 * Category:amiibo Festival character icons (File:BroccoloAMFIcon.png; ). These just need to be decategorized from the parent categories.
 * Category:amiibo Festival screenshots (File:AmiiboFestival-DieRoll.jpg and images in Animal Crossing: amiibo Festival/Gallery)


 * Category:Welcome amiibo images (should be a subcategory of Category:New Leaf images, or should they be separate?)
 * Category:Welcome amiibo character icons (File:Tipper WA Icon.png, File:Patty WA Icon.png)
 * Category:Welcome amiibo RVs (File:RV of Boots.JPG)
 * Category:amiibo cards (File:005 Kapp'n amiibo card NA.png)
 * On whether categories should be separate from the New Leaf branch should be deliberated (see below)

(The above list is incomplete and anyone is free to expound on them. I will be expounding much more on the following day.) The following are further comments and realizations in writing the above list: Any further comments and suggestions on everything written above? User:Decomposer 09:54, January 7, 2020 (EST) (edited 07:09, January 11, 2020 (EST))
 * Category:New Leaf furniture may be inconsistent with Category:Wild World furniture items. Migrating the former to the latter format could be done by hand since it's only nine images, although I'm more inclined towards the former, which may require mass renaming. Rationale is that  can also contain the furniture series available to such a game, whereas   would sound less "natural". See below point.
 * Category:New Leaf bugs is a category containing the bugs available for New Leaf, but can also contain the media for said bugs. Similarly, categories  and   could do the same. I was thinking of doing something like Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) bug images, but that may be too unnecessary.
 * 1) I have noted above that Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) fish should supersede Category:Animal Forest+ fish. The vocabulary used in Nookipedia when referring to the GameCube games does not seem to be uniform: we have three words for the localized release: Animal Forest+ (Category:New characters in Animal Forest +), Doubutsu no Mori+ (Doubutsu no Mori+, whose merge with Animal Crossing (GCN) is pending), and Animal Crossing (GCN) (Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) Images). (I treated the two as one game since Animal Crossing (video game) states that Animal Crossing is just Doubutsu no Mori+ (どうぶつの森＋)) A similar situation is seen in Animal Forest e+ (Category:Animal Forest e+ bugs) and Doubutsu no Mori e+ (Category:Doubutsu no Mori e+ Images). The deletion of Template:AF, Template:AF+, and Template:AFe+ should signal that the Animal Forest name should be superseded by Doubutsu no Mori, Animal Crossing (GCN), and Doubutsu no Mori e+.
 * 2) * Apparently there are some images that are shared between the GameCube games such as their sprites (should File:GCNAircheck.png belong to PG Sprites or DnM Sprites?). Perhaps Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) sprites is the best compromise for sprites that are shared among GameCube games.
 * 3) Some files have really weird naming conventions as shown above, with some types of images being more uniform (e.g.,   and   for villager houses and character art), and other types being, well, like File:Giant Catfish PG Icon.png, File:Giant Catfish sprite.png, and File:AngelfishGCN.png. Discussion about media nomenclature could be done as another topic here, which should base from precedent and Nookipedia:Project Images, although categorization could be done first and, once images are in their respective categories, they can be renamed using a set of rules.
 * 4) * A note could be made here regarding the villager houses media. There are files which are named, wthout any game information. I moved some of these but further search and replace should be done.
 * 5) The Welcome amiibo update has introduced several new characters, such as Buzz, and together with them their villager picture and character art. Should these be placed in the New Leaf categories described earlier, or should they be placed in different Welcome amiibo categories which would be subcategories of their New Leaf counterparts? I'm leaning towards doing the latter, unless if some would voice that they should be absorbed into the New Leaf categories.


 * Alright, I'm in support of all of the proposed categories and will start creating them (or you can start if you'd like) over the next few days. I will also rename any existing categories to fit with the established naming system during that time. For point #1, I agree with using  and so I will move images from Category:Wild World furniture items (and Category:E+ Items). For #2, I don't think we need a separate category for bug images and we can just let them populate the same page (although that then begs the question of whether we need two categories for characters vs character art). I think that the real question is whether having images in a category affects the function of the #incat: parameter?


 * For #3 I agree that the Animal Forest categories are outdated and need to be renamed. Also, in accordance with the Romaji standard established by I believe that the correct spelling is now Dōbutsu no Mori. I think I'm the one who originally proposed the change to Doubutsu no Mori, and I think Nintendo has used both forms (although most recently made use of Dōbutsu no Mori on their merchandise from Nintendo Store Tokyo). The point of adopting a standard is to use it consistently though, so that's what I will use for the rename of all categories beginning with 'Doubutsu'.


 * Speaking of, while I agree with and support the merge with as it is the Japanese version of the game, it features many localization differences that I think are notable enough that the game should get it's own subcategory within Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) images. And then I think subcats for DnM+ should also be created for all other AC (GCN) categories as needed. I would be open to hearing other opinions on this though.


 * As far as goes, I think that images of  exclusive characters, items, locations, etc. should definitely get their own subcategory under New Leaf. Sunmarshsignature.png  ( talk )  15:43, January 12, 2020 (EST)

Enhanced artwork
Why do we have edited images of villagers as a stand-in over the original art? 22:14, January 3, 2020 (EST)
 * Just an FYI for others who may not have seen the original conversation, this is a continuation of the discussion at File talk:Gulliver NLa.png. And I don't have an answer for your question lol... It seems that these were assets taken from the official animal-crossing website per . I think it's the lack of anti-aliasing that makes them look pixelated/grainy.


 * The quality of the image is really besides the point and the real question here is how we determine which image to feature in a character's infobox template. I feel like this topic has come up before but I can't find it in the Community Fountain archives. I also checked the Bulletin Board forums archive and couldn't find the discussion there either. Generally I think we would want to use officially sourced images from the most recent main-series game, the exception being when we have a better quality image from a non-main-series game. At this point, with around the corner it's a bit of a moot point. I imagine we'll be changing all the character art for the new game anyway so I think the issue will take care of itself. Sunmarshsignature.png  ( talk )  11:12, January 4, 2020 (EST)
 * Some background on this: when new villagers were released for Welcome amiibo (WA), we couldn't find official artwork of them, until we noticed that new images were appearing for the daily villager birthdays on animal-crossing.com. These images aren't edited by us; they're actually just that low-quality coming from Nintendo. In cases like Admiral, where their last appearance was pre-NL, I think it makes perfect sense to use these WA artworks. For villagers that were in the base NL game and have both NL and WA artwork, that's where the debate is - do we want to use the original NL artwork, or use the lower-quality WA artworks which are basically variations of the original NL artworks? IMO we should stick with the original NL artwork, due to the quality issue and since it's all still technically the base game, but as Sunmarsh mentioned, I don't think it's a huge deal since March will bring artwork refreshes anyway. ~ Super  Hamster  Talk 16:56, January 4, 2020 (EST)

Music category organization
After browsing Category:Music, there is a sizeable amount of music that is unsorted by sub-category, like Hourly Music, Business Themes, and so on. I'm very new to Nookipedia and wiki editing in general, but I'd love to help with this. Personally, the reason why I started lurking here years ago was to look up the music pages to find things we still don't have, like instrument descriptions and musical keys. Here are a few other ideas that may be handy as well:


 * What would you all think of adding a section to music articles that features a .pdf download (or an external link) to fair-use sheet music available from NinSheetMusic.org? The lovely folks there create the sheets for everyone to use as long as the arranger is given credit for their work.


 * I found an article mentioning Project Music. If the goals mentioned there are still on a back burner, I'd be happy to start picking away at them.

Any thoughts, additions, rejections, or other considerations are greatly appreciated. 02:27, January 10, 2020 (EST)
 * I think it's all fine. I wonder, do we know what kinds of instruments are used? As the music is in MIDI, you think we can find out what the soundfonts are? Yeah, the project is on a back burner for a while. It'll be appreciated if you contributed! 15:57, January 11, 2020 (EST)


 * Nookipedia:Project Music has been inactive for many years now. If you would like to spearhead the project and become its new leader, we would welcome you to do that and will support you in any way that we can (although I don't know how much music experience anyone has, per se). If you don't want to make that sort of commitment, you're more than welcome to make changes if and when you can. We generally ask that any major changes (moving, deleting, or merging of pages or categories) is discussed on a talk page or here on the Community Fountain first, but you're free to make all the edits you need to add/edit content, or even add new pages if we're missing any.


 * I like the idea of linking to NinSheetMusic.org, and I wonder if we could partner with them to have them link back to Nookipedia in some way? Either way, I think it's better to ask them before linking to their PDFs directly or uploading them here to make sure it's OK to do. Are you a regular member there/do you know of anyone on that website?


 * Also, if you need any sort of templates for the music pages created or edited just let me know as that's something I enjoy doing. Sunmarshsignature.png  ( talk )  15:58, January 12, 2020 (EST)