Nookipedia talk:Project Items

Yeah, this project seems defunct. I don't want to leave it inside the navigational template if all it serves nowadays is a blast from the past. Same goes for every other project in that navigational template in this page. 22:59, June 25, 2014 (EDT)
 * Agreed. It is dead, and each furniture page does not deserve its own article, either, in my opinion. It may be a good idea to tag these pages with an 'archive' template and protect them. Red   Snapper  15:21, July 15, 2014 (EDT)
 * I agree, but if there's any interest to revive the project, let me know. Otherwise, this really isn't a "project" as it is a sort-of solo effort by me. 16:12, July 15, 2014 (EDT)


 * I would love to assist, Mario. However before we go about making updates I think there needs to be a big discussion about how to best organize the furniture on the wiki. I'm not sure if this talk page is the best place for that, so in an attempt to engage more users in the discussion I've created a post on the forums. If you're interested I encourage you to post your thoughts there. --sunmarsh (talk) 01:02, July 25, 2014 (EDT)
 * Thanks a lot, sunmarsh. I don't know how much traffic the forum gets, but it's worth a try. If there is further interest the revive the project, I will overhaul the page if I have time. 18:04, July 25, 2014 (EDT)

Would like to join the project
I figured I could just add myself, seeing that I'm a staff member, but I'll follow the procedure written on the page. --XXSuperXXNintendoXx (talk) 20:39, July 26, 2014 (EDT)
 * I'll add you in a moment. I just "borrowed" the staff cells because it looks better. 20:41, July 26, 2014 (EDT)

Request to join (sunmarsh) + questions
Thanks much for revamping this page, Mario. Just a few notes: In the 'Tables' subsection I think we should encourage the use of, , and. Additionally, we will need to create new sections and templates for AF, AF+ and AFe+ items on each series, theme, and set page. On the subject of tables, I think we should decide on rules for alignment. I am personally in favor of every cell being center aligned with the exception of the item name which should be left aligned. What do you guys think?

In regard to images, I know that some series pages have a gallery (usually of ACNL images). Do these images need to be removed and placed into the tables? Also, some of the pages have a picture of the entire series at the top (from ACCF)- do we want all pages to include this before we mark them as complete? And do we want to try and update that picture through ACNL (seeing as every existing series got an additional wall item)?. --sunmarsh (talk) 22:09, July 26, 2014 (EDT)
 * Ooo, I didn't know those item list templates are there. I'll add them if I'm not as busy as heck (and itching to play some computer games). Most subjects should be center-aligned anyway; the aligning of item prices to the right baffles me.


 * The gallery images should be incorporated into the tables. You don't even need an additional column; just add , the wikitml equivalent of the "Enter" key in typing, and add the image. The entire series on the top, I recommend to have, since it gives readers a good impression how the items look in-game. Nevertheless, these images are usually not counted as completion for an article because it doesn't single out each furniture item; it's just an overall presentation for the series, in my opinion. We can update the picture through screenshots of New Leaf, but actually *setting* up such images in-game takes a lot of time and devotion to the game, which is another reason those kinds of images are not required for completion.  22:15, July 26, 2014 (EDT)
 * P.S. Sorry for the delay, you are now part of Project Furniture! 01:57, July 27, 2014 (EDT)

Standard image size?
It seems that we're using a width of 75px in tables, this is great, however if we have a larger image already on-hand, shouldn't we just resize it to 75px like so rather than upload a new one? Also, shouldn't we try to upload an average-sized image so people are able to better view the furniture's details as opposed to uploading icon-sized images? --sunmarsh (talk) 20:08, July 27, 2014 (EDT)
 * It's just to standardize the image sizes. Some images have been reuploaded to be consistent with the icon images. Also, taking pictures of images in-game wouldn't be much of a huge improvement in resolution compared to the icon-sized images, so it's not a huge loss. You can zoom in with the Dolphin Emulator, but that's the only time where there will be a notable improvement in resolution. But I don't want to encourage people get the tools necessary for an emulator to work (like a game ISO). 20:57, July 27, 2014 (EDT)
 * I'm uploading all of the images from the Prima e-guide because, like Mario just stated, I'm trying to be consistent with the icon images, which will make the tables uniform and easier on our feeble eyes. --XXSuperXXNintendoXx (talk) 21:11, July 27, 2014 (EDT)

Semi-protect series/theme pages?
Just reverted a few edits from a non-registered user that changed the capitalization of all the items on the page. This isn't the first time I've seen non-registered users do this, because our capitalization style does not match the in-game style. Should we semi-protect these pages or just revert the edits when we see them? --sunmarsh (talk) 19:44, July 31, 2014 (EDT)
 * Looking at the locations of the IP contributions, I believe it's the same person? I'd just make a note on their talk page(s) about our new capitalization guidelines. Until it's a bigger problem, I'd avoid semi-protecting any articles, especially if they still need work. Thanks, ~Super Hamster  Talk 22:49, July 31, 2014 (EDT)
 * I also disagree with semi-protecting series/theme pages for this little issue. Just assume good faith and notify the user. 02:26, August 1, 2014 (EDT)

I think if someone lowercases a furniture item name, then we should let it be unless it's actually capitalized in-game(Such as the word "Gracie" or "Pave"). Most wikis about games use the in-game capitalization(For example the Tomodachi life wiki only capitalizes items that are capitalzed in-game and the Pokemon wiki always capitalized items because they are capitalzed in-game) (I'm not sure if it should be like this......)

--108.40.197.250 11:57, August 25, 2014 (EDT)
 * As decided by public vote and noted in Nookipedia Policy, the first letter in all words of furniture items are to be capitalized. --sunmarsh (talk) 20:40, August 25, 2014 (EDT)

I do not agree. --50.136.149.237 22:46, December 27, 2014 (EST)

Images for AF e+ and prior
I ordered Japanese guidebooks to AF+ and AF e+ and they arrived today. Just from flipping through the item sections its clear that the furniture models do not change from version to version. The only differences will be in image/print quality of the guidebooks. It would save a lot of time to scan in the contents of just one guide (plus the few items that are exclusive to the various games) rather than scanning every item from every guide. Is everyone in agreement with me on this? If so, I will scan in a test copy of the same series from each guide and we can discuss which one we like best. --sunmarsh (talk) 17:53, August 18, 2014 (EDT)
 * For what I did for the fish chart, that is my methodology. As it is the same, just get the best version there is.  SuperAlpaca  (talk ) 18:04, August 18, 2014 (EDT)

Hm, on another note, maybe it's a good idea to start removing that yellow background on those images I uploaded. You know, so it doesn't look as if it came from New Leaf. That way, we can add those images for the furniture on every table, not just New Leaf's. 16:02, August 19, 2014 (EDT)
 * Well, there are some changes that were done to the furniture between AF e+ and New Leaf, so I think it's still a good idea to show the progression there as opposed to using the New Leaf images for everything. --sunmarsh (talk) 21:04, August 19, 2014 (EDT)
 * I agree with Sunmarsh. Although gathering furniture images for every game in the series will be a hard and lengthy task, I believe it will have a beneficial outcome. --XXSuperXXNintendoXx (talk) 17:10, August 20, 2014 (EDT)

Centering text in item tables
I've noticed that a lot of the text values in item tables are centered individually by line. You can use the code: style="text-align:center" in the template code for the tables to have it center all table text. This would save a lot of time and reduce article size. If we all agree that the table text should be centered, I can make the changes to the templates? :) --sunmarsh (talk) 17:47, August 31, 2014 (EDT)
 * I don't see the downside of centering everything in the table, especially in the furniture ones. I'd appreciate it if you add the parameter. :) 16:40, September 7, 2014 (EDT)
 * I've added it to the following templates: ItemList WW, ItemList CF, ItemList Decor, ItemList NL, and ItemList Decor NL. If I missed one let me know. All the AF templates should already have it as I included it when I created them. --sunmarsh (talk) 19:19, September 7, 2014 (EDT)

Use of and  in item tables
These templates generate a different hexcode (color) for different seasons, allowing one to create elements whose color matches the site's changing theme. There was a mention of this on the forums but it never went anywhere. What are your guys' opinions on this? Should the item tables match the theme or should they stand out? Here's an example of what they might look like:

--sunmarsh (talk) 16:50, September 12, 2014 (EDT)


 * I prefer using a different color, and having more color variety on pages. On the furniture pages in particular, I like that the tables and navbox are similarly colored, although it turns out they're not as similar as I thought; in general, if colors are changed, I'd rather work toward having color themes for certain types of pages, and use the color templates in Nookipedia-related areas and things that don't need to be prevalent, but still available, like the potential header template for villagers. -Sky (talk)   22:23, September 12, 2014 (EDT)


 * I agree with the color variety idea and maintaining color themes according to page type. To that end, I've changed the colors of Template:Furniture to match the item tables a bit more. Sunmarshsignature.png  ( talk )  18:53, October 14, 2014 (EDT)

Item table revamp
As we'll be editing the contents of many of the furniture pages, I thought that the item tables could use a bit of a revamp while we're at it. Here's my proposal: (not sure why there's so much blank space before it, if anyone can figure that out... lemme know!)






 * }

I've applied the roundy template to various elements throughout the table, and have also created several new templates that should streamline item list creation. The main addition is Template:ItemList which allows you to use one template to generate game-specific item tables for any AC game simply by changing the parameter. The new tables make use of three additional templates: Template:RowStart, Template:RowCenter, and Template:RowEnd to provide for the roundy formatting of each table row.

So what are your thoughts? Do you guys like the new table design?  ( talk )  18:53, October 14, 2014 (EDT)
 * I like it - in my opinion, a great improvement. Nice job! That spacing issue is definitely weird...trying to look into it but for now, I have no idea either. ~Super Hamster  Talk 20:11, October 14, 2014 (EDT)
 * I figured out the spacing issues. The #ifeq statements I was using were returning a value of nothing if they evaluated as false, which was creating line breaks. I realized I needed to use a #switch statement instead and that's fixed it. I've also converted the Blue Series to the new format if you'd like to see what a whole page would look like using the template. Any feedback would be appreciated. Sunmarshsignature.png  ( talk )  21:05, October 14, 2014 (EDT)

First feedback would be fixing the formatting of this part of the page! '^^ 16:36, October 26, 2014 (EDT)


 * Apologies, Mario! I made a lot of changes to the template and it broke the display on this page. Fixed. ^^; Sunmarshsignature.png  ( talk )  16:59, October 26, 2014 (EDT)


 * It's all right, it's just a teensy mistake ultimately. :) Anyway, I have one question: is there any way to design the table so the yellow text colors stand out more? I think gold-yellow against white still isn't great for the eyes, but it's pretty much our only option when it comes to yellow. But again, I'm not sure which background color would work best when it comes to design, as I like the white background too... 23:33, October 27, 2014 (EDT)

Colors
I have a recent question concerning color: since players can display clothing in their house, and since each clothing is also assigned a color (Big Bro's Tee is red and white for instance), shouldn't our big color lists also cover clothing? If that's the case, then we should rename them from "List of (color) furniture to "List of (color) items" instead. This might be beyond the scope of Project Furniture, but again, you can display clothing in your house, right? Huh, I might want to reboot Project Fashion sometime in the future if that's the case and maybe cleaning up that gooey writing like how a plumber cleans up gunk inside the pipes... ;P  23:46, April 6, 2015 (EDT)
 * Hmmmmm....perhaps this is taking things a little too far? We're meant to be an encyclopedia, not a strategy guide listing every single item in the games. Personally, I'm not convinced it'll be worth the enormous amount of work it will require to create the pages. 07:58, April 7, 2015 (EDT)
 * Encyclopedias need to be as complete as possible, so I believe there's little reason to leave out information on certain items. The policy on coverage on Nookipedia, I'm not 100% sure, but, again, we're supposed to provide information on stuff where we can. That's how I see it anyway, but we need information on each item. I didn't say create the pages, but I suggested that we expand the "List of (color) furniture" articles to the more generic "List of (color) items" instead. 16:15, April 7, 2015 (EDT)


 * I say that clothing definitely deserves to be included. Who's to say it is less deserving than any other item in the game? Note that clothing and accessories only started getting color designations in ACCF. I understand it will require a lot more time and effort seeing as we are so short-staffed, but if someone is willing to add accurate item data to the wiki I am certainly not going to stop them. An incomplete list is better than none at all IMO. In short, I'm in favor of renaming the pages to 'List of (color) items'. Sunmarshsignature.png  ( talk )  20:54, April 7, 2015 (EDT)
 * That's great! So, if this pulls through, is it okay if we use the item table template to do the clothes? And finally, I wonder what Red Snapper thinks of this before I start lifting my finger on the Project Fashion page... or if someone else wants to work on that. 18:16, April 10, 2015 (EDT)
 * I'm sorry no one has responded to you, Mario! D: Using existing table templates should be fine. Keep in mind that our goal is to eventually convert everything to ItemList. Also, I would recommend creating a separate table for clothing (within each game's section) as opposed to placing the clothing into the list of furniture. However I will leave the final decision up to you. Sunmarshsignature.png  ( talk )  16:26, May 27, 2015 (EDT)
 * Better late than never! :) I kind of want to create a unique item list. Remember that discussion with Sky about the whole item list table colors? The current one is supposed to match the furniture navigational template, so if we were to create a table for clothing, I suggest it match the clothing/fashion navigational template (pink). 00:06, May 30, 2015 (EDT)
 * Oh, and by the way, the clothing shall be kept separate from the furniture anyway. Clothing have their own separate pieces of information (like boy/girl and even particular fashion patterns, apparently). 21:52, May 30, 2015 (EDT)

Finally, one more question: should Furniture Colors be merged with furniture into its own section? I think that would make navigation easier. 19:55, April 12, 2015 (EDT)
 * I think that a merger is appropriate and will reduce navbox clutter at the bottom of furniture pages. Let me know if you want help with that! Also, I noticed that even though we had agreed on the naming convention "List of (color) items" for color pages the name hasn't been changed yet. We would have to create new pages and then redirect the old pages, right? Let me know if you want help with that/still wanted to do that. Sunmarshsignature.png  ( talk )  16:26, May 27, 2015 (EDT)
 * Yes, I'd like that to happen. I'm just caught up completing the other furniture lists and doing a myriad of other things. There is so much stuff I need to do in Nookipedia regarding furniture (and that's only a part of Nookipedia), so it would be highly appreciated if someone (like you) could do the navigational templates and all. Thanks! 00:03, May 30, 2015 (EDT)

Themes and styles
Should we also create lists of themes and styles? Something like "List of harmonious furniture" and "List of cute furniture"; furniture can be substituted for a more-generic "items", but I think that may make a huge page. This is because I just realized that some furniture like Air Conditioner, Bronze Fish Trophy, and Museum Model have no color designations, so we have to document them somehow and make them easier to find. 17:03, May 15, 2015 (EDT)
 * This is a great question! We will actually need these kinds of lists if we implement Villager Info as exemplified here. Note the Ideal Gifts tables and the links at the bottom of them to More (Color) Items and More (Genre) Items. Right now the links are broken because the pages don't exist yet (and because the template needs to be changed so it can correctly link to the appropriate section of the list of (color) items page). Sunmarshsignature.png  ( talk )  16:26, May 27, 2015 (EDT)
 * Ah, so if the stuff in the sandbox is implemented, we need to create such pages. I think those pages would be an immense help for players going for a certain HHA theme too, but I didn't realize villagers have such preferences as well. I would be more than happy to do it, but let me complete all those colors and all. One large step at a time. '^_^ 00:09, May 30, 2015 (EDT)

Custom Furniture
I found a blog where it has screencaps of most, if not all custom color combos for furniture in New Leaf. I think it would be great to crop these out and add it to series' articles galleries, or at least add them to their respective image sections. This is the site. 13:35, June 2, 2015 (EDT)
 * Great find! I'll add it to the resources list! More work to do, that means. mama mia... 14:45, June 2, 2015 (EDT)

Custom furniture organization standards?
Baby Luigi and I are having a disagreement on how the galleries for the custom furniture pages should be arranged. I prefer to organize it by furniture pieces (using Digit lamps as an example: One Lamp, Two Lamp, Three Lamp, and so on) while my sister wants it organized by its customization options (using Digit lamps as an example: Red lamps, Orange lamps, Yellow lamps, and so on). We'd love to have some input, especially this early in establishing refurbished colors. 17:13, June 4, 2015 (EDT)
 * Also, you should list your idea of organizing custom furniture with more than one customization option. I haven't exactly figured that out yet. 17:15, June 4, 2015 (EDT)
 * For two customization options, we can easily create a table showing all the combinations. Which furniture has three customization options, though? Finally, what are we going to do with customization options that allow designs and clothing fabric? We won't document all of them unless you like extremely tedious work, but perhaps we can include a mention on the page itself? 17:19, June 4, 2015 (EDT)
 * I'd say since custom fabric should be omitted since the combinations are infinite. I agree with you, the options for custom fabric should at least warrant a mention in the series itself. By the way, I don't think any furniture has three combos but I could be wrong. 17:35, June 4, 2015 (EDT)


 * I think a sortable table would definitely help out here. That way users could organize the images as they like. As for refurbs that take clothing patterns, I think it should just be noted and we should create a page that contains a gallery of the clothing texture patterns available in ACNL and link to that. If a refurb can take a custom design we should note that as well and link to the most relevant article (perhaps design?). I'll add a furniture customization table template to my mile long to-do list. ;P Sunmarshsignature.png  ( talk )  13:52, July 15, 2015 (EDT)
 * All right, hope we'll make good use of it to settle this. 22:36, July 15, 2015 (EDT)

Standard page layout
While editing the series and theme pages I realized they were all organized a bit differently and wanted to get input on how we should format the layout of these pages. Right now there are two main ways the pages are organized. The first method has each game getting its own section (e.g. Blue Series). The second method has each game getting its own sub-section within a 'Furniture items' main section (e.g. Ranch Series). I also wanted to propose a third method, which would reduce the length of the pages, but would also depreciate the tables of older titles even further. For example, the fish table contains links in the upper right-hand corner of the table to pages that host the fish tables for each of the older Animal Crossing games. We could adopt a similar strategy for furniture series, theme, set, and category pages. What do you all think? Do you want to keep all the tables on the same page or should we split them up and have them hosted at [Collection Name]/[Game Name])?  ( talk )  13:52, July 15, 2015 (EDT)


 * No, I am against this on all fronts. When I go to a wiki, especially one where tables and lists are prevalent, I find it easier and much more accessible to have everything I want to look at on one page, not multiple ones. It is a hassle to have to click on multiple links just to see stuff that shouldn't even be on separate pages. I mean, as long as the pages haven't reached their content capacity, we are good. (Remember, not everyone who views Nookipedia has New Leaf) --XXSuperXXNintendoXx (talk) 14:54, July 15, 2015 (EDT)


 * Well if we keep the lists on one page, I'd still like to hear your opinion on how the sections are set up (Blue Series vs Ranch Series). Additionally, some games will share the exact same table. Should we just create the duplicate tables anyway, or should we merge the tables to something like "Blue Series in Doubutsu no Mori, Doubutsu no Mori+, Animal Crossing, and Doubutsu no Mori e+". Takes up less space but makes an awkward table or section heading. Sunmarshsignature.png  ( talk )  18:58, July 15, 2015


 * In my personal opinion, that depends on whether the four games you mentioned share the same items found in that series or not. If they do, then it would be much easier and worthwhile to just merge them. However, if they do not, and one or more have different furniture items, then we will have to create separate tables. For example, if two of the games possess the same number of items in a particular set but the other two have additional items, two or more tables would be required, depending on whether there is a difference in number between the two with more items. --XXSuperXXNintendoXx (talk) 19:32, July 15, 2015 (EDT)
 * Agreeing with SNES, I'd rather we don't split the tables into separate pages, since that creates navigational clutter and induces just additional headaches for users searching for certain series. Unlike Bulbapedia, our furniture pages aren't too big, so they can handle more or less repeating information. If there is a way on creating tables that can alter themselves as a whole, just from clicking on the respective games on the corner or something, that would actually be a neat feature. But, yeah, same series from different games belong in the same page. It's the most consistent and creates the least clutter. 22:41, July 15, 2015 (EDT)


 * In reference to my previous example, yes, all four games share the same number of Blue Series items, same exact properties, same models and textures. My only concern was that the heading for the table/section would be very long, so even though we'd save space because we didn't make a table for each game, it would look awkward due to the naming. I suppose there's not really a way around that. But again, no one has answered my other question- how do you want the sections split up/named on the page? Do we want a section for each game, which will appear in the table of contents (e.g. Blue Series) or do we want one section in the TOC with each game having a subsection (e.g. Ranch Series)? Also Mario, that's what I've wanted to do this whole time but have no idea how to do that/if it's possible with the current extensions the wiki has. Sunmarshsignature.png  ( talk )  01:05, July 16, 2015 (EDT)
 * The Ranch series seems to be much better organized, in my opinion. I mean, the Table of Contents looks better and much easier to navigate. It helps visually separate the actual furniture items from, say, the refurbished colors, the merchandise, and general gallery. Not to mention, the layout in Blue series needs work anyway, with the images moved into a another gallery. 15:46, July 16, 2015 (EDT)