Nookipedia talk:The Roost

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Post new topics below! Drago  (talk)      11:03, January 1, 2019 (EST)

Non-English names as redirects/disambiguation pages
So I have been thinking of an idea that could potentially benefit any of our non-English native readers (who may be more familiar with the non-English names of certain villagers/characters), and my idea is to take all of the villager/character names that were never used in English localizations and turn them into redirects. For example, the name "Xavier" is exclusive to the French version of Animal Crossing, being the name used for Pigleg, so if a French reader wants to look for "Xavier" on this Wiki, a redirect might help.

For the names that have been used by multiple characters, those should be disambiguation pages. For instance, the name "Pablo" was used for three different villagers, all in different languages: Chico in German, Claude in Spanish, and Otis in Italian. It should look something like this:
 * ''Pablo may refer to three villagers in the ':


 * ''*The German name of Chico, a mouse villager.
 * ''*The Spanish name of Claude, a rabbit villager.
 * ''*The Italian name of Otis, a bird villager

The only concern I have is if the German-exclusive names should be turned into redirect/disamb pages since we already have an affiliated German Wiki that mainly covers the German localization stuff, but other than that, I don't see any problem with this.

Any objections to this idea? The Jacketed   Terrapin  05:40, August 2, 2022 (EDT)
 * This sounds like a nice idea. Also although the German wiki exists, German visitors may still visit Nookipedia and search for a villager via the search bar out of curiosity, so it would still be good to have German redirect/disambiguation pages. HylianAngel (talk) 20:47, August 2, 2022 (EDT)
 * per the above. ~ AlexBot2004  ( Talk ) 20:33, November 18, 2022 (EST)
 * per discussion. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 18:25, December 24, 2022 (EST)
 * per everyone. 💜Toadalind💜 (talk) 16:09, April 12, 2023 (EDT)

Hong Kong or Taiwan
Generally speaking, when considering our usage of Chinese character, we usually denote it with the flag of the for Simplified Chinese, and the flag of  for Traditional Chinese. I'd like to know though, why are we specifying Hong Kong as the representative for Traditional Chinese? Why not the flag of, a country that has more population than Hong Kong and therefore has more users of Traditional Chinese? -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 02:20, November 25, 2022 (EST)
 * I asked my Chinese friend if it made sense to change the Traditional Chinese flag from the Hong Kong flag to the Taiwanese flag based on population. To rephrase what she stated more gently, she basically said it is very nonsensical to base it on population, and it would be as similarly nonsensical, as say, using California as a basis for the entirety of the United States simply because California has the largest population. She says the flag would also have an impact on the romanization of the Traditional Chinese names, as the dialect in Hong Kong is primarily Cantonese, unlike Taiwan. (More to say on this subject in Nookipedia talk:The Roost.) HylianAngel (talk) 16:13, February 17, 2023 (EST)

Notice regarding the capitalization proposal
With five votes in support of the changes in our capitalization policy in Nookipedia:Proposals, the majority of users here support using the in-game names of items throughout the. As we're nearing close to the end of the capitalization policy change proposal though, I'd like each and every one of you to refrain from moving or changing the names of each item except only outside of the Item namespace. (e.g. fixing the item names found in the I template)

I plan to automatically move the item pages and rename the items once the policy changes are set in place, and I don't need problems down the road. So far though, I need to troubleshoot some issues with my pywikibot installation before running the process, as I do not want the process to be disrupted by CSRF token issues. I hope everyone can understand. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 22:32, November 25, 2022 (EST)

HHP Archipelago Name change
I feel like the Archipelago is not the best of names, as I was confused when I saw the name. The name should be changed to something like: Paradise Planning Archipelago. Sylveon from  Pokemon  03:51, December 23, 2022 (EST)
 * Generally speaking, we follow the in-game names for our articles and such, only marking some as conjectural if no official name is found, or marking which names are translations from Japanese. In the case of archipelago, there are no instances that it is named "Paradise Planning Archipelago", nor should it be named in such a way to distinguish as there are no other archipelagos in the . It's a confusing name, yes, but it's more official and present in-game. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 11:53, December 23, 2022 (EST)
 * What about Harv's Island? He himself says "but isnt it an achipelago? a harvipelago?" Thanks, -- SunsetBay ( Talk ) Margie NL Villager Icon.png 07:25, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

Add internal name and ID regarding item
Something that has been on my mind lately was adding internal name and ID regarding a particular item. For instance, the in  has the filename   and the internal ID. I believe having information on the item pages would be useful for dataminers, modders, and such if they wanted to inspect information regarding a particular item instead of having to waddle through loads of spreadsheet information. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 09:26, January 29, 2023 (EST)


 * for the reasons you've given. --BladeofEvilsBane (talk) 10:36, January 29, 2023 (EST)
 * ~ AlexBot2004  ( Talk ) 14:58, January 29, 2023 (EST)

The animal emoji redirects
Right now there are some emoji redirects involving the species pages. Currently these redirects exist: 🐂 🐊 🐒 🐕 🐦 🐵 🐶 🐺 🐻 🦍 They are kind of peculiar, and I can't really gauge if these would necessarily be useful. They're so silly that I wouldn't even mind keeping them. I had to do a double-take when I checked Wikipedia, and they actually utilize emoji redirects, so it seems like they potentially serve some sort of usefulness. But either way, we should either:

a. Complete the collection and create more redirects involving the remaining missing animal emojis from the species pages b. Delete the existing animal emoji redirects.

What do you think? HylianAngel (talk) 02:28, February 6, 2023 (EST)


 * Very much against the use of animal emoji redirects. I just do not think they are reasonably used or feasibly searched. Trig - 02:07, February 10, 2023 (EST)

New Project: Project Languages
I think we should start a project where we fill up the boxes with "unknown" in on templates. -- Sylveon  (Autistic and proud!) 🍉🌺  08:53, February 17, 2023 (EST)
 * Currently, the major missing romanization on all articles, especially villager articles, is Traditional Chinese, as it was made a separate entry from Simplified Chinese. For Japanese, Korean, and Simplified Chinese (the mainland language of China), you can pretty much use Google Translate to obtain an acceptable romanization of the name. However, Traditional Chinese is a slightly more complicated subject to tackle.


 * I asked my Chinese friend if this Traditional Chinese romanization of Marina's name was correct, because it was so different from the Simplified Chinese romanization. Zhānglìnà vs. Jēung Laahp Nóh is crazy different, to me as an English-speaking person. But no, she mulled it for a few seconds and said, yep, the Traditional Chinese romanization in this situation is correct. Nookipedia is using the Hong Kong flag, which implies the dialect is Cantonese. I asked her to ignore the flag, and she said you can't do that, the flag matters. I told her that most other wikis, like Bulbapedia and WiKirby don't use flags, and they usually have it simply stated as "Simplified Chinese" and "Traditional Chinese" in written text without flags, and that they tend to make both of those romanizations identical. She said that's the wrong way to approach it, since you're basically erasing an entire dialect from existence by making the romanizations identical. I asked her, would it make sense to make the Traditional and Simplified Chinese romanizations the same if the flag was not there at all, and she said, yes, some dialects of Traditional Chinese would have identical romanization as Simplified Chinese, but that is why the flag is so important in this scenario because the Hong Kong flag implies the Cantonese dialect, and you shouldn't make the romanizations the same if it's the Hong Kong flag.


 * She also explained that China has been attempting to erase Cantonese for some time in order to make Simplified Chinese the main language. Another unfortunate aspect is that we wouldn't even be able to obtain any Cantonese Traditional Chinese romanizations on Nookipedia without the help of a Cantonese-speaking person, because Google Translate spits out identical romanizations for Simplified and Traditional Chinese anyways. So we have a major problem where the Hong Kong flag would be misleading if we were to copy-paste the Simplified Chinese romanizations to be the same as the Traditional Chinese romanizations, but if we were to decide to stick with Hong Kong/Cantonese, we probably will never have any Traditional Chinese romanizations ever, unless a Cantonese person decides to join and contribute for every page (and my Chinese friend does not know Cantonese). HylianAngel (talk) 16:13, February 17, 2023 (EST)

Villager Quotes
Hi! I am new to being an editor, but recently I noticed Nookipedia doesn't do individual quotes for villagers, something the Animal Crossing Wiki does do. I've been adding quotes for a few villagers, but not too many. I wanted to garner some support before I continue to do more. I know most quotes are similar within personality, but there are some, like picture quotes, that are individual to certain villagers. I think this could be really cool to do for every villager, because the rest of the villager page isn't very personalized at all. Plus, sometimes, people only need the page to look for the picture quote, and putting it at the top of the page could be useful. I think it would be fun for the editors, and readers, to mix it up a little. So, community, do you have an opinion? Should I keep going? Omigpine11 (talk) 17:59, March 11, 2023 (EST)Omigpine11
 * Although photo quotes are "unique dialogue" involving the villager, I feel it is not needed to include it at the top of the page, since this info is available within the infobox ("favorite saying"), which is very close to the top of the page already. If a reader only needs the photo quote, they already have easy access. These quotes are also located on the Photo page. I personally adding photo quotes to the top of villager pages. However, I  adding quotes on villager pages in cases where it is in-game dialogue completely exclusive to the villager. These cases are rare, but some cases do occur in New Horizons involving very specific species-personality combos (where there is only 1 villager who is that species-personality, like Wendy the peppy sheep, on Year of the Sheep). While it's not really from the game, I agree with the Alfonso quote you added from the official NH website, since it is indeed completely unique. HylianAngel (talk) 18:25, March 11, 2023 (EST)
 * Actually HylianAngel, the top quote on Alfonso's page is a quote lazy villagers say in New Horizons, just that "This place" is replaced with whatever you named your island. Just a warning that the source I am about to provide does contain some very crude language, but it's the only proof I was able to find of the quote being used in-game, so please bear with me on this one (quote is on the 4th pic): https://imgflip.com/i/43nbpn


 * That being said, I don't really mind it being Alfonso's top quote since the website does make that association. Snapping Turtle NH Icon.pngThe Jacketed   Terrapin Soft-Shelled Turtle NH Icon.png 18:31, March 11, 2023 (EST)
 * Thanks, I should have worded it more clearly that it's a unique association. I did remember the dialogue from playing NH, so saying "completely unique" was not entirely correct when I was trying to convey my reasoning. HylianAngel (talk) 18:34, March 11, 2023 (EST)
 * I wanted to mention that I went ahead and added the unique dialogue involving New Year's Day for unique species-personality combos to the "Trivia" sections of the involved pages, but only for bulls/cows (2021), tigers (2022), and rabbits (2023). So this would be Coach, Norma, Patty, Rolf, Claudia, Gaston, Coco, and Mira.


 * I didn't add the dialogue for future years yet, which would be horses (2026), sheep (2027), monkeys (2028), birds (2029), dogs (2030), pigs (2031), and mice (2032). Actually, from reading the dialogue files, it's unclear if Year of the Rooster (2029) will apply to all bird-related species (birds, ducks, eagles, ostriches, penguins, and chickens), a subset of these bird species, or just chickens themselves. The dialogue specifically says "Year of the Bird," or "Year of the Rooster," depending on the personality type of the speaking villager, but mostly these dialogues state "Year of the Bird." Unless someone time travels to 2029 and checks each species, or unless a dataminer could examine the code, it probably won't be known. Anyways, I felt it would make sense to just add the dialogue for 2021-2023 and not the future years yet. However, I wouldn't be against adding the future years either. HylianAngel (talk) 07:14, March 12, 2023 (EDT)

Villager catchphrases
I strongly believe that villager pages should have a dedicated section to their catchphrases in each language, in the same style as their given name in the "Names in other languages" section. Currently there is not a good place to describe the meaning of a villager's foreign catchphrases, so there are cases where the Japanese catchphrase holds some relevance to the character, but since there is no decent section to place it, it is instead placed at the top of the page, where it sits next to any relevant English given name and English catchphrase origin information. That location is somewhat awkward, since it's inconsistent to have the English given name, the English catchphrase, no Japanese given name (since Japanese name info is generally placed in the "Names in other languages" section), and then the Japanese catchphrase.

If there was a dedicated section for catchphrases in other languages, it would not only allow describing any Japanese catchphrase relevance, but also the relevance of catchphrases of every other language as well, and there is currently no location to place non-English or non-Japanese catchphrase relevancy information. Basic "names in other languages" and "catchphrases in other languages" data exists in the infobox, and yet only the "names in other languages" is duplicated at the bottom of the page. I believe both should be at the bottom of the page.

While the main article header would be "Names in other languages," there are 2 different formatting styles that could be implemented:
 * The sub-headers are the words "Given name" and "Catchphrase."
 * Optionally and additionally, in combination with this style so that the name and catchphrase are extremely explicit, a parameter for the English name can be included, like how Fire Emblem Wiki does it (example here). While it might be currently redundant with the English information included in the intro prose, I think it's fine for there to be redundant information, as many villager pages already do repeat redundant information (like the infobox repeating the foreign names information), and it can serve a very useful utility purpose if intros are ever repurposed to no longer include English name/catchphrase origins. Plus, it would allow for future "favorite sayings" English explanations, which no intros do unless it's related to the character's identity/species somehow, but I feel this would be good information to include no matter what.
 * The sub-headers are the character's actual name and catchphrase, like for example Sherb, the sub-headers would be "Sherb" and "bawwww."

I'm also open to other suggestions for the formatting style. I'm slightly partial to the first style, just because there might be a case where "favorite sayings" are also given their own dedicated section in the future, and the full saying might be weird as a header. What formatting do you think would be best? HylianAngel (talk) 14:50, April 4, 2023 (EDT), edited again on 16:11, April 22, 2023 (EDT)

I caught the spirit!!
I caught farley!! ~ 08:51, April 11, 2023 (EDT)

Trig Jegman's File Template
As I am sure you have seen, I've been working on the creation and generation of my file module for Nookipedia. The time is now to suggest that it is used instead of the existing Template:File Info.

First, to be explicitly clear, this module would work the same as a template to the degree that I have made sure everything will retroactively work on it. Nothing would break by the implementation of the module.

Second: My module is a lot beefier than the existing template is now. Here's the main takeaways:
 * Combined licensing. No more need for having 33 different licensing templates, when the module will take care of all of them collectively.
 * More maintenance parameters and a closer analysis of sourcing. There are several maintenance features included, such as files taken from FANDOM sources or YouTube.
 * Predesignated sources for when the user captures an image themself.
 * Automatic categorization. This is the big one: Through the introduction of two new parameters (game and type), files will now automatically be categorized into their appropriate categories, making widescale changes easier and formatting more consistent.
 * This is an excellent opportunity to look at all of the files on site and reduce duplicates, fix naming, improve quality, and get specific sources amongst other tasks.

I wouldn't propose this if I didn't have great success in implementing this before. I have completely added this style of template to every single file on WiKirby, Wars Wiki, Inkipedia, MiiWiki, The Cycle: Frontier, as well as partial completion on Mystery Dungeon Francise Wiki, FamiWiki, and StrategyWiki. I've done it before and I'm more than happy to do it again to get this implemented. I really think that having this upgrade is a valuable resource and helps create consistency both on this site and in conjunction with other wikis as well. I have a few examples of use cases here to understand what it might look like. The new parameters are the following:


 * Game — Allows an automatic link to a game, and can work to add automatic categories.
 * Type/Meta — These two pull from a determined list of common types (such as Artwork, Screenshots, Amiibo, or User Files) in order to automatically categorize files. The difference between type and meta is that type will categorize based off the game entry (New Leaf sprites), meta will only do off the type (Sprites).
 * User — Used for user files or when attributing the source to someone else.
 * Author — At the suggestion/request of Shams, useful for creative commons files.
 * License — All those licensing templates are here now
 * Fandom/Youtube — By setting these to yes, it places files taken from these less than desirable locations into a maintenance category for replacement.

I'm happy to make more examples, or give breakdowns of how I would go about fixing these, or answer any questions about it. Please let me know how you feel about implementing it on Nookipedia as well! Trig - 13:22, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
 * - Everything here looks great! The combined licensing and automatic categorization are especially welcome additions; I can't think of anything at the moment that I'd add or change. ~ AlexBot2004  ( Talk ) 01:08, July 6, 2023 (EDT)
 * I think this could work. I do believe though that if we agree on this more, we should set up a proposal to implement. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 16:41, September 5, 2023 (EDT)

New Horizons villager box item capitalization
's bot fixed the capitalization of items on almost all villager pages, but since Jacob/Jakey and Spork/Crackle have 2 different names, I think the bot skipped over those two. Making a note here that it needs to eventually be fixed, don't have time to fix it myself at the moment. HylianAngel (talk) 15:51, July 29, 2023 (EDT)
 * This should be fixed now! -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 01:05, August 2, 2023 (EDT)
 * Thank you! HylianAngel (talk) 20:51, August 4, 2023 (EDT)

wanna join my club???
it is called bob fan club
 * Sure. Thanks, -- SunsetBay ( Talk ) Margie NL Villager Icon.png 05:31, September 5, 2023 (EDT)

Help with Cargo Tables
Are there any resources to help figure out how they work? If not can some please explain them to me? TheMajesticPineapple (talk) 22:56, August 24, 2023 (EDT)
 * Here are a couple of resources:
 * https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cargo (also check out the Storing data and Querying data subpages)
 * https://help.fandom.com/wiki/Extension:Cargo
 * https://support.wiki.gg/wiki/Cargo
 * My personal understanding of it is that the gist of it is that you'll have a template for a type of page with a bunch of input fields. In the template you say that inputs in those fields get stored in a big behind-the-scenes table. You can then create a cargo query table to list specific stuff from that big table on any page you want. For better understanding the template side of things it helps to look at templates that use cargo, and for cargo query tables it helps to look at and compare different pages that use different cargo queries. Hope this helps a bit! Bassieeee (talk) 07:19, August 25, 2023 (EDT)
 * Thank you so much, I couldn't find anything on them anywhere.
 * TheMajesticPineapple (talk) 09:30, August 25, 2023 (EDT)
 * Nookipedia:Project Database has some good information on cargo tables, and we have a channel for discussing cargo tables on our Discord server. --BladeofEvilsBane (talk) 19:00, August 26, 2023 (EDT)

Ideas.
1. Project Trivia. A project focused on trivia. I would be happy to lead this project. 2. An Animal Crossing Debate Club. Thanks, -- SunsetBay ( Talk )  14:29, September 5, 2023 (EDT)


 * Going to lean with the former not being necessary. Trivia as a whole is not an inherent requirement for pages to have, and in many instances (broadly across all wikis, not exclusively here), people get really obsessed with adding trivia points that would much better be served in main article sections like descriptions or are so vague or stretches that they aren't inherently useful—I'd be concerned a project like that would encourage something like that. If the project was to perhaps update and consolidate or re-integrate trivia, I would be more on board.
 * The idea of a debate club is cool, but it's not really what a wiki is for. Furthermore, the format of a wiki isn't terribly constructive for a rapid-fire debate club style of writing/conversation. I would suggest joining an Animal Crossing discord (or making your own) for something like this.
 * These are just my opinions on the matter, hope it helps. Trig - 02:28, September 28, 2023 (EDT)


 * OK, Thanks, -- SunsetBay ( Talk ) Margie NL Villager Icon.png 07:23, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

Discussing our proposal system
I'm starting to think non-Trustees shouldn't make proposals here. While so far we only had FroggyPotter's recent proposal asking for "one staff to be active at all time", I get this feeling that users not acquainted with policy-making will go to the proposal system for something that isn't a change affecting "a large number of pages or users".

What do you think? Should we limit the creation of proposal to only Trustees or not? -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 16:32, September 5, 2023 (EDT)


 * I probably wouldn't support going that far; I think everyone should have a chance to submit their ideas as a proposal. We could limit to autoconfirmed, but that wouldn't help much.
 * I do, however, think there should be an ability for admins to veto proposals that are clearly unnecessary or relate to how the staff operate, like there is on MarioWiki. FroggyPotter's proposal would fall into the latter category. Drago   (talk)     Drago PC Villager Icon.png 10:46, September 6, 2023 (EDT)
 * I dig an ability to veto a proposal that is unnecessary or is in regards to staff and all. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 16:32, September 7, 2023 (EDT)
 * When overhauling Inkipedia's proposal system recently, we introduced a veto that would require three administrators to veto a proposal in a publicly listed third vote in order to shut things down. Not saying this is better or worse than the above listed, just that it is another option. Trig - 02:28, September 28, 2023 (EDT)


 * Agree with Drago on both points. Chubby Bub (talk) 21:00, September 6, 2023 (EDT)