Nookipedia talk:The Roost/2021

Proposal to remove the Guide namespace
This proposal is going to be controversial, but I feel that the removal of the Guide namespace may be in the best interests of the wiki. Guides are our weakest area, there doesn't seem to be much desire to improve them, and most of their content can be moved to mainspace pretty easily. Let's remember that Nookipedia is first and foremost an encyclopedia, not a strategy guide, with sites such as IGN, GameFAQs, Polygon and many others offering much better guide content than us.

If this proposal passes, this is what I plan to do with our existing guides:
 * Guide:Animal Crossing, Guide:Animal Crossing: Wild World and Guide:Animal Crossing: City Folk don't have anything not already covered elsewhere, and so can be deleted, with the exception of Animal Crossing's controls, which could be moved to the main article.
 * Guide:Bug Catching isn't great, despite my improvements, and can probably be deleted.
 * Guide:Campsite Minigames could be a subpage of Campsite (facility).
 * Guide:Coffee Preferences could be a subpage of The Roost Café.
 * Some of Guide:Easter Eggs, Glitches, and Secrets could be transferred to Glitch, although there's some duplication.
 * The face style guides aren't very long, so could be transferred to Player.
 * Guide:Golden Axe trading event's content could be transferred to Axe.
 * There isn't much useful content on Guide:Perfect Town Rating, but anything that is useful could be transferred to Environment rating.
 * Guide:Saving can be deleted in my opinion.
 * I'm unsure about Guide:Unlocks/Upgrades, but I believe that all its content will be covered elsewhere, so maybe deletion?
 * Guide:Villager Information could be a subpage of April Fools' Day, or simply a standalone article.

Please let me know what you think. Thanks! Drago  (talk)      14:27, January 25, 2021 (EST)
 * per the above. I've actually been thinking about this for a while too, so I'm glad you brought it up. Like you pointed out above, a lot of content in the Guide namespace would work just fine in the mainspace and the more guide-like content that wouldn't work in the mainspace isn't that great to begin with. Plus, we have StrategyWiki for game guides. ~ AlexBot2004  ( Talk ) 15:11, January 25, 2021 (EST)
 * it seems like it's mostly a legacy namespace from before the merge. These pages don't get much love, and don't really fit into the focus of the wiki these days. I think even if we don't vote to remove the pages, they would be better served as subpages rather than having their own teeny, tiny namespace. Given that we seem to have some sort of affiliation with StrategyWiki (I assume?), perhaps some of this content could be ported over there? --Shark HHD Icon.png Dorsal Axe  (talk) 10:56, January 26, 2021 (EST)
 * StrategyWiki's guides already look pretty well-established, other than for New Horizons, which is incomplete. But we have very little New Horizons guide content here either, so porting looks off the table. Drago   (talk)     Drago PC Villager Icon.png 11:53, January 29, 2021 (EST)
 * - I keep going back and forth on this. I agree that given the lack of enthusiasm for the namespace in addition to its sparse content, it doesn't make sense to have a dedicated namespace for guides. That said, prior to NH's release the face style guides were one of the top 10 most visited pages on the wiki. I think that this is just an example of the AC lifecycle over the long term: as the current game continues to age, people start to replay the older titles, and so they look for things like the face guides when creating their new towns. Whatever the decision, I think we should still keep redirect pages for searches like "Face guide" or similar so that the content can be found at its new location. Sunmarshsignature.png  ( talk )  13:55, January 30, 2021 (EST)
 * per above. v mario 97  (talk) 13:09, March 23, 2021 (EDT)
 * While I'm not inherently opposed to the namespace, I support removing it given its sporadic coverage of topics and lack of maintenance. Any and all useful content should be merged into the mainspace (and/or StrategyWiki when relevant), and then redirected to the most relevant mainspace article. It will be a bit of a hit to remove one of our most popular pages pre-NH, but as long as the content is merged and redirects made, I think it will be fine. ~ Super  Hamster  Talk 11:31, April 5, 2021 (EDT)

Pocket Camp event pages
As I'm working on developing pages for Pocket Camp items, I'm thinking about our coverage of Pocket Camp events, of which there are over 250. My current plan is to make a new article (with a new PC Event infobox) for each event. Each event page would document the items that can be obtained during the event (and when applicable, the critters or fish that can be caught). Just wanted to note this here in case anyone has any thoughts. ~ Super  Hamster  Talk 22:35, February 13, 2021 (EST)
 * Sounds good to me! It also seems like a page header (to navigate the events sequentially) and navbox (to see a list of all events in one place) might be helpful for those pages to help people find the event(s) they are looking for. Sunmarshsignature.png  ( talk )  13:20, February 14, 2021 (EST)

Suggesting to go gender-neutral on Gracie, Blanca, and Saharah
It is often said that the Western world loves to change whatever the foreign world does for them. In this case, Gracie, Blanca, and Saharah all had their gender changed from male to female. While I do believe we should adhere to Western names and terminologies for characters, I don't think we should be calling them "she/her", nor would "he/his" would be applicable.

I'm aware this doesn't relate to the West as much as it does in Japan/Korea, but I think we should change the pronouns for Gracie, Blanca, and Saharah to "they/them". It wouldn't change much in what they're meant to do or their dialogue, but it would balance out their gender differences, considering how they're handled here in the. Plus, Player is already using "they/them", tho a counterpoint can be said for being playable, whereas Gracie, Blanca, and Saharah aren't.

For instance, take this description from Saharah about their gender differences:
 * "In Japanese and Korean entries in the Animal Crossing series, Saharah is male, while in all other versions, she is female. However, her appearance, including her voice, is identical in all versions."

If we change their pronouns to become more neutral, the changes are shown here:
 * "In Japanese and Korean entries in the Animal Crossing series, Saharah is male, while in all other versions, they are female. However, their appearance, including their voice, is identical in all versions."

What do you think? Should we use "they/them" for these special NPCs? -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 22:12, March 5, 2021 (EST)
 * Slight, as using "they/them" in that particular section might force that section to disagree with "she/her" throughout the article. Keeping the text as-is is good enough. Lucky Clover NL Icon.png talk:Decomposer 09:33, March 8, 2021 (EST)
 * @Decomposer, this is not on that specific section, but on changing every "she/her" in those articles (plus where these characters are within other articles) with "they/them". -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 09:38, March 8, 2021 (EST)
 * I because we should go by what the Western localizations do, and if they say Blanca/Gracie/Saharah are female, then we should use "she/her", regardless of their genders in other regions. As for the players, they have no set gender since it is chosen by the player, so that's why we use "they/them" for them. ~  AlexBot2004  ( Talk ) 10:43, March 8, 2021 (EST)
 * actually per comments. v mario 97  (talk) 13:09, March 23, 2021 (EDT)

Proposed deletion policy
Finally proposing the drafted deletion policy at Nookipedia:Deletion policy - please give it a review, and leave any comments on the talk page. Thanks! ~ Super  Hamster  Talk 03:18, March 6, 2021 (EST)

Movement of unofficial subjects to the Community namespace
While we don't have a defined coverage policy, I believe the mainspace should solely be for covering official subjects. Thus, I am proposing that coverage of unofficial subjects (e.g. fansites) be moved to the Community namespace. From my understanding, the idea behind the Community namespace is to document things like this; plus, this is content from the community. Note that the content of the pages affected would not change; they would still be encyclopedic articles. I feel that having the content in a namespace dedicated to content like this will also allow us to expand our coverage of it further, adding more fansites and other community subjects, such as speedrunning, fan-made software, mods, and more in the future without affecting the main article namespace.

The following articles would be affected by this change: • Animal Crossing Ahead

• Animal Crossing Community

• Animal Crossing: Let's Go To The Wiki

• Animal Crossing New Leaf Wiki

• Animal Crossing Wiki

• Cheating device

• Hacked villager

• Hacking

• Nintendo Independent Wiki Alliance

• Nookazon

• Nookipedia

• Seeds (hacking)

• The Bell Tree

• Villager modifier ~ AlexBot2004  ( Talk ) 17:21, March 16, 2021 (EDT)
 * Especially for the websites considering they're community-run by fans. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 09:46, March 17, 2021 (EDT)


 * I see no real reason to oppose this. It definitely makes the distinction between fan works and official works more noticeable as well as allows us to expand on it further. In particular perhaps we should look into popular foreign websites. That’s a discussion for another time though. Senor Mexicano (talk) 03:07, March 18, 2021 (EDT)


 * moving website articles. While we could come up with some sort of notability policy to host them in mainspace, I agree that it's not really our scope, and I'd rather just cover these things in a separate namespace and open that namespace up for more comprehensive coverage of community sites, tools, speedrunning, etc.
 * However, I am leaning for cheating device and Seeds (hacking). These articles give a broad, encyclopedic history, one of a popular piece of merchandise that isn't really community-y, and the other of an in-game item that was abused. I'd be fine with moving the other hack-related articles (Hacking, Hacked villager, and Villager modifier). ~ Super  Hamster  Talk 04:13, March 20, 2021 (EDT)
 * Agreed on the point about cheating device and seeds. Senor Mexicano (talk) 04:53, March 21, 2021 (EDT)
 * I'm leaning towards . I think they should remain in the article main space as they are, well, articles. We're not an official site, so I don't believe our scope should be restricted to only 100% Nintendo official approved content, and I don't like the precedent that would set. Our coverage should always be based on relevance to the series and notability. If the pages in question weren't encyclopedic in nature, then I'd say it's fair game. --Shark HHD Icon.png Dorsal Axe  (talk) 11:58, March 20, 2021 (EDT)
 * Well it's not as if moving them to the community namespace would strip these articles of their encyclopedic value nor lessen their status as official articles. Namespaces serve to help categorize different types of articles. A good example of a wiki using multiple namespaces is SmashWiki, which has separate namespaces exclusively for tournaments, players, organizations. I don't think there's much harm to using the community namespace exclusively for community-made websites, projects, or tools. Senor Mexicano (talk) 04:53, March 21, 2021 (EDT)
 * Actually it would lessen them. They would not be counted as articles in statistics, and also not be surfaced with the random page function. If there is some way around this, then I guess I have no objection. Personally I can't think of a way that wouldn't involve every page in that namespace being counted, which is not desirable as there are non-article pages in that namespace. We would basically be mixing articles and non-articles together, which feels quite iffy to me. --Shark HHD Icon.png Dorsal Axe  (talk) 12:33, March 26, 2021 (EDT)
 * per above, but I agree with by SuperHamster.  v mario 97  (talk) 13:09, March 23, 2021 (EDT)
 * . After a long think, I've decided that I don't consider any of these to be official subjects. Drago   (talk)     Drago PC Villager Icon.png 12:37, March 26, 2021 (EDT)
 * most of these, and agree with SuperHamster's distinction here but I would go further to exclude villager modifier from the move as well. It's my understanding that the Community namespace is for topics which are developed and supported by the AC-community. So anything that is built-in or inherent to the game (like the villager modifier), while it may be used by the hacking community for their own purposes, is just another aspect of the game's internal logic or coding (unless I'm misunderstanding what is meant by 'villager modifier'). Sunmarshsignature.png  ( talk )  16:14, March 31, 2021 (EDT)

Proposing deletion for unused/deprecated templates
Not much of a result ever came out of this this discussion, but I'd like to propose that we now delete the following deprecated templates: Almost all of these particular templates are unused. A few of the region tooltips are used on a couple of user pages that could be substituted to preserve them there, and the few remaining uses of Template:Na can easily (and should!) be converted to the modern template. Any thoughts? -- Dorsal Axe  (talk) 12:28, March 26, 2021 (EDT)
 * for the reasons given. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 13:16, March 26, 2021 (EDT)
 * - Go for it! I'm always up for a good template scrubbing. :P Sunmarshsignature.png  ( talk )  16:28, March 31, 2021 (EDT)
 * per the above. ~ AlexBot2004  ( Talk ) 17:04, March 31, 2021 (EDT)

Untitled
I can't add one so here I am I gave https://nookipedia.com/wiki/Item:Bamboo_Tree_(New_Horizons) a link from https://nookipedia.com/wiki/Bamboo Bebber71😺 23:05, March 30, 2021 (EDT)

IDK what 2 puty here
I put the bamboo tree for ACNH page in another about bamboo. Bebber71😺 08:39, March 31, 2021 (EDT)
 * We appreciate your enthusiasm,, but the Community Fountain is meant for wiki-wide discussion of large-scale changes that will affect multiple articles. If you'd like to talk more casually about your edits to the wiki, we'd prefer you use the Wiki's Discord server. Sunmarshsignature.png  ( talk )  16:26, March 31, 2021 (EDT)

just want to talk
hey. i just want to talk. i have no big OH MY GOD THIS COPYRIGHT THING IS HAPPENING i just want to talk. so hi. what's up. RemiruPlushie (talk) 12:05, April 9, 2021 (EDT)
 * For general discussion, please see our Discord server. This talk page is solely for discussion related to the wiki. Thanks, ~ AlexBot2004  ( Talk ) 12:07, April 9, 2021 (EDT)

Rethink our approach for Themes in
Right now, our wiki is under the assumption that Theme (furniture) corresponds to the Themes of the previous games (e.g. Mario Theme). But after glossing over each and every theme, I've come the conclusion that they are not the same idea. They are the interior theme of the previous games, and those are simply what category every furniture item is in. Therefore, I proposal to separate Theme (furniture) into what counts as a theme and what count as an interior theme (e.g. Child's Room Theme). -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 07:24, April 10, 2021 (EDT)
 * I'm not sure I understand the distinction you're making between "Theme (furniture)" and an "interior theme". How are you determining which ones go on which page? Sunmarshsignature.png  ( talk )  15:26, April 23, 2021 (EDT)
 * Mario Theme is a theme that features Mario-related items. Child's Room Theme is a random assortment of items that have no correlations whatsoever besides being considered "Child's Room". The former is an actual furniture theme, the latter is an interior theme. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 19:50, April 23, 2021 (EDT)
 * That's a I thought I had when the game launched (I datamined these and added them to the navbox at the time), it really does seem to be a totally different concept/approach to previous games.
 * Actually, I personally think we should actually do away with the series/set/theme designation entirely in terms of how we structure our articles. The HHA classification seems to change frequently between games. In the case of it appears that none of the newly added furniture actually has a HHA classification, despite many of the items clearly being organised into distinct sets. IMO the way it's split currently is a little confusing (e.g. Classroom Set and Classroom Theme are effectively the same thing, it's just categorised differently between games). I think it would be better to simply have articles with the name of the collection (e.g. 24 Hour Shop, Blue, Zen, etc.) and outline the HHA classification in each game within the appropriate sections in the article itself. We can tell which items are intended to be related to each other as the filenames for every item seem to have some unique indication of the collection it belongs to. This seems to be the case even when they don't have an in-game classification, such the Campus Series. --Shark HHD Icon.png  Dorsal Axe  (talk) 05:47, May 1, 2021 (EDT)
 * That doesn't seem like a bad idea imo, but 24-Hour Shop, Campus, and Fueki are not considered furniture series as datamined in the HHA classifications. If they do return as a series in, then perhaps they can be added, but as far as I know, these series are related to a company and may as well fit under that brand:
 * 24-Hour Shop Series would fit under 7-Eleven
 * Fueki Series would fit under Animal Crossing x Fueki
 * Campus Series would fit under Kokuyo Camlin
 * Besides those issues, I agree with this statement and I would reclassifying every one of our furniture series/set/themes under a specific name instead of labeling them as " ". -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 14:52, May 1, 2021 (EDT)
 * per above. v mario 97  (talk) 15:35, May 1, 2021 (EDT)
 * I would removing our NH theme pages such as Child's Room Theme. While they're called themes, they act the same as HRA genres from previous games, and thus I think they should go to Furniture/New Horizons/Theme Name (e.g. Furniture/New Horizons/Child's Room). However, I'm leaning towards  on removing Series/Set/Theme from the existing collection pages. If they change between games, we can just merge them into one page and use the latest name, while noting the difference (e.g. "Prior to, the Classroom Set is known as the Classroom Theme and is scored accordingly by the HRA"). ~  AlexBot2004  ( Talk ) 15:52, May 1, 2021 (EDT)


 * It took me a minute, but I finally understand the issue here. I moving these NH HHA Theme pages to a subpage of Furniture/New Horizons. It seems we are moving toward subpages for furniture lists, generally speaking, so I think that we should probably have a larger discussion about the best way to organize these pages and to make the existence of the subpages more obvious to readers on the root page (in this case: Furniture). Sunmarshsignature.png  ( talk )  23:36, August 10, 2021 (EDT)

Deletion policy enacted
The proposed deletion policy has been enacted. Nothing too surprising or different than what we already do. Highlights are that deletion templates must have a reason, and editors must be informed on their talk page if a page they created is put up for deletion (with exceptions, such as vandalism or retired users). ~ Super  Hamster  Talk 13:56, April 20, 2021 (EDT)

Usernames
Does anyone know how to change your username? Alfonso The Aligator (talk) 11:23, April 30, 2021 (EDT)
 * Only a Bureaucrat can change users' usernames. What would you like to change your name to? ~ AlexBot2004  ( Talk ) 11:25, April 30, 2021 (EDT)
 * Can you change it to Alfonso the Alligator? I forgot the extra l in alligator. Alfonso The Aligator (talk) 14:40, April 30, 2021 (EDT)
 * Done. v mario 97  (talk) 14:47, April 30, 2021 (EDT)

help
Hello, this is koopadude99. Since I changed my email I can't login to that account. I also forgot the password. Is there a way to get the account back or transfer what was on that account to this one. Thank you.


 * Hello, please send us an email (support [at] nookipedia.com) with as much detail as you can remember about your account (former email address, your country/state, etc) and if everything matches up, we will be able to restore your account to your new email address. -- Jake (talk)  12:34, May 2, 2021 (EDT)

Add general information about generations, competition, as well as sales & reception on console articles.
I see the console pages on this wiki to be very small when compared to other NIWA wikis like Mario Wiki and Zelda Wiki. They lack info on which generation they belong in, the competition, as well as their sales and reception info. I've gotten my edits undone just because they don't qualify as Animal Crossing coverage. I feel that general information about a console's generation, competition, as well as their sales figures and reception should not be left out as they have just as much importance to a console's page as the Animal Crossing information does. I feel that Nintendo-related info, even if it is not related to Animal Crossing is just as important as the Animal Crossing info on the console pages. Nintendo is the parent company to which the Animal Crossing IP belongs, so the parent company should also get some coverage as well, but just on the console pages itself along with the Animal Crossing related info that is on there. We should be improving the articles, not watering them down, so the added info about generations, competition, as well as sales and reception would be considered improvements to the article even if they're not Animal Crossing related. The readers have to know more about the console other than just the basic information that's there. --Dr. Peach (talk) 16:19, May 14, 2021 (EDT)
 * We are an Animal Crossing wiki, so our information should lean toward the subject's relevance to Animal Crossing. We should have general information to introduce the console (e.g. what it is, when it released) and can briefly cover things like which generation it's a part of and lifetime sales, but we do not need to add information about which consoles it competed against or reasons why it succeeded or failed. People who go to Nookipedia to read about Nintendo consoles likely want to know about the console's relevance to the Animal Crossing series, so that's what we should prioritize. If a reader wants to view in-depth general information, they would visit the corresponding Wikipedia or NintendoWiki article. ~ AlexBot2004  ( Talk ) 16:56, May 14, 2021 (EDT)
 * I agree with AlexBot2004. Realistically a user who is seeking comprehensive information about a specific Nintendo console would probably go to the Wikipedia article for that info. But if they were searching up a console on an Animal Crossing wiki, then it would be expected for the pages to have a narrower and more specialized scope where the primary focus is the Animal Crossing games, the excessive info isn't as practical. HylianAngel (talk) 17:06, May 14, 2021 (EDT)
 * All per comments, I leave an for adding more details to the console articles.  v mario 97  (talk) 17:08, May 14, 2021 (EDT)
 * I agree with AlexBot2004's statement, and I for this reason. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 17:13, May 14, 2021 (EDT)
 * Additionally, I would like to point out that we are not Super Mario Wiki or Zelda Wiki. They have differing guidelines on what to include for their pages, just as we have differing guidelines on what to include on our pages. NIWA doesn't mean we have to share the same rules or information, NIWA means we have a value of community and support. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 17:59, May 14, 2021 (EDT)
 * per the above. That said, I understand your perspective, and it is obvious you had good intentions in proposing this. If comprehensive information about Nintendo consoles is something you are passionate about, then I would recommend contributing over at NintendoWiki. It has never really taken off the way NIWA thought it would. The few individuals active there would really appreciate any contributions you make. BladeofEvilsBane (talk) 00:21, May 15, 2021 (EDT)
 * . I don't think there's anything wrong with adding this extra information, but as Alex and others have said, Wikipedia already covers it better. This sort of thing is at the bottom of our priority list, and it makes more sense to use editing time to improve Animal Crossing related content. I would be opposed to the creation of articles for the SNES, Game Boy etc. (which was suggested on Discord), because they don't have any link to Animal Crossing at all. Drago   (talk)     Drago PC Villager Icon.png 10:41, May 15, 2021 (EDT)
 * - I agree with most of the comments here that extensive console coverage is outside the scope of this wiki. A simple line regarding generation & competitors is all that is necessary (e.g. 'x console is part of the nth console generation, competing with...'). If you're interested in focusing on console information, the following topics would be helpful:
 * In relation to the console's life-cycle, when were AC games released?
 * How did the release of AC games affect console sales?
 * How did each AC game make use of the console's unique hardware capabilities (e.g. Wiimote, GBA to GCN cable etc.)?
 * Were there any AC-related special edition consoles or accessories?
 * I'm sure there are more AC-related aspects to consoles that could be covered, but hopefully that gives you an idea of what kind of content we're encouraging on our console pages. Sunmarshsignature.png  ( talk )  13:19, May 20, 2021 (EDT)
 * Yeah, I agree that we should only make a one sentense covering the generation and competition but nothing more than that so that we don't fall out of scope for this wiki. --Dr. Peach (talk) 10:40, May 21, 2021 (EDT)

Feedback
This looks pretty good but the + does not show to meaning of it so I think it should it should be changed back to topic+ because it shows the meaning. Bebber71😺 17:37, June 3, 2021 (EDT)
 * I have implemented a css fix and will be asking SuperHamster or Jake to implement. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 18:34, June 3, 2021 (EDT)
 * Good suggestion, I've updated it (via MediaWiki:nookipedia-timeless-action-addsection, not CSS). Thanks, ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 18:39, June 3, 2021 (EDT)

I can't find where to move a page, is it with Purge cache? Is it even on this layout? Bebber71😺 13:16, June 4, 2021 (EDT)
 * It's moved to the left sidebar, as part of the 'page actions' tab. Drago   (talk)     Drago PC Villager Icon.png 13:24, June 4, 2021 (EDT)