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Nookipedia '''Proposals''' allow the community to vote on sitewide changes that would affect a large number of pages or users. This process is not a replacement for community-wide input (see:[[Nookipedia:The Roost|The Roost]]) or talk page discussion. Rather, it takes the final product of those discussions (in the form form of a proposal) and puts them to a vote.
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Nookipedia '''Proposals''' allow the community to vote on sitewide changes that would affect a large number of pages or users. This process is not a replacement for community-wide input (see:[[Nookipedia:The Roost|The Roost]]) or talk page discussion. Rather, it takes the final product of those discussions (in the form of a proposal) and puts them to a vote.
  
 
==Rules==
 
==Rules==
 
*'''Proposals are ''only necessary'' for changes that would affect a large number of pages or users.''' Some examples: rules/policy changes, adding/removing namespaces, making major modifications to/replacing templates that affect 1000+ pages.
 
*'''Proposals are ''only necessary'' for changes that would affect a large number of pages or users.''' Some examples: rules/policy changes, adding/removing namespaces, making major modifications to/replacing templates that affect 1000+ pages.
  
*Proposals are for voting on fully worked out ideas. They should not have any yet-to-be-determined components: no 'option a, b, or c'. Proposals may be submitted without prior public comment or feedback, but should not receive major edits or changes once voting has started.
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*Proposals are for voting on fully worked out ideas. They should be a binary yes/no choice and not have any yet-to-be-determined components: no 'option a, b, or c'. Proposals may be submitted without prior public comment or feedback, but should not receive major edits or changes once voting has started. If a proposal does not follow these rules or is otherwise deemed unfit, it may be vetoed at the discretion of a [[Nookipedia:Bureaucrats|Bureaucrat]].
  
 
*Proposals can only be submitted and voted upon by registered users. Comments or votes from unregistered users will be removed immediately. Furthermore, all votes or comments must have a signature attached ({{c|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>}}). Users are not allowed to vote on their own proposal, but may respond to comments.
 
*Proposals can only be submitted and voted upon by registered users. Comments or votes from unregistered users will be removed immediately. Furthermore, all votes or comments must have a signature attached ({{c|<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>}}). Users are not allowed to vote on their own proposal, but may respond to comments.
  
*Proposals will be open for seven days. This voting deadline can be extended upon request, at the discretion of a [[Nookipedia:Bureaucrats|Bureaucrat]].
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*Proposals will be open for seven days. This voting deadline can be extended upon request, at the discretion of a Bureaucrat.
  
*At the end of the voting period, if the proposal has at least a 2/3 majority (66%) it will be considered successful. A Bureaucrat will then officially close the proposal, and either enact it themselves, or coordinate with other staff members to make sure the proposal is completed.
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*At the end of the voting period, if the proposal has at least a 2/3 majority (66%) support and five total votes it will be considered successful. A Bureaucrat will then officially close the proposal, and either enact it themselves, or coordinate with other staff members to make sure the proposal is completed.
  
*Once a proposal has been enacted, the [[Nookipedia:Staff|staff member]] responsible will make a note here and move the proposal to the [[Nookipedia:Proposals/Archive|Archives]].  
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**If the proposal does not have five votes at the end of the voting period, the voting period will be extended for seven days.
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*Once a proposal has been enacted, the [[Nookipedia:Staff|staff member]] responsible will make a note here and move the proposal to the [[Nookipedia:Proposals/Archive|Archives]].
  
 
==How to make a proposal==
 
==How to make a proposal==
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==Current proposals==
 
==Current proposals==
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===Changing the capitalization policy===
 
{{proposal
 
{{proposal
| title = (Re)separate {{DnM+|nolink}} and ''Dòngwù Sēnlín''
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| title = Changing the capitalization policy
| description =  
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| description = How about we change the capitalization policy so that every letter in the title has to be capitalized except words like "the" and "and"? The English grammar is like that, and Nookipedia should probably follow it. I know this will effect ''<u>so</u>'' many pages, but again, I think it is necessary. [[File:ACL.png|20px]] [[User:Acnh Player|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#448EE4">'''Acnh Player'''</span>]] [[User talk:Acnh Player|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#1C662A">'''(talk)'''</span>]] [[File:ACL.png|20px]] 14:35, April 14, 2024 (EDT)
  
Yeah, it's this discussion again. This (well, the first part) was discussed on [[Talk:Doubutsu no Mori+]] since 2018, and the page was merged with {{PG}} in 2020. However, the wiki has evolved since then, recent as it may seem, and I strongly believe it would be beneficial to have these pages separate again.
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*Personally, I feel the capitalization policy is perfectly fine as it is and actually refers to in-game capitalization. I can understand the meaning of your message, but the wording is a bit clumsy- is that how you phrase it? [[User:Raven Star|Raven Star]] ([[User talk:Raven Star|talk]]) 14:42, April 14, 2024 (EDT)
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*The rules for capitalizing each word in a title generally only apply to published works or works of art. For anything else (including wiki articles), the titles are subject to whatever style guide the website/organization has in place. In our case, that is the [[Nookipedia:Manual of Style#Capitalization|Manual of Style]], which dictates that article and section names should be in sentence case, and I see no reason to change that. '''~'''&nbsp;[[User:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#1C662A">'''AlexBot2004'''</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:black">Talk</span>]]) 18:47, April 14, 2024 (EDT)
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**U R WRONG [[File:ACL.png|20px]] [[User:Acnh Player|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#448EE4">'''Acnh Player'''</span>]] [[User talk:Acnh Player|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#1C662A">'''(talk)'''</span>]] [[File:ACL.png|20px]] 18:53, April 14, 2024 (EDT)
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***No u r wrong [[User:Lexy|Lexy]] ([[User talk:Lexy|talk]]) 14:24, April 15, 2024 (EDT)
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****Hm u didn't even vote. [[File:ACL.png|20px]] [[User:Acnh Player|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#448EE4">'''Acnh Player'''</span>]] [[User talk:Acnh Player|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#1C662A">'''(talk)'''</span>]] [[File:ACL.png|20px]] 19:07, April 15, 2024 (EDT)
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*{{Oppose}} As per my above comment. [[User:Raven Star|Raven Star]] ([[User talk:Raven Star|talk]]) 14:42, April 14, 2024 (EDT)
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*{{Oppose}} '''~'''&nbsp;[[User:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#1C662A">'''AlexBot2004'''</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:black">Talk</span>]]) 18:47, April 14, 2024 (EDT)
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*{{Oppose}} -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 01:36, April 15, 2024 (EDT)
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*{{Oppose}} [[User:Drago|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:green">Drago</span>]] [[User talk:Drago|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:purple">(talk)</span>]]    [[File:Drago PC Villager Icon.png|20px]] 10:41, April 15, 2024 (EDT)
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* {{Oppose}} We already decided to follow in-game capitalization for in-game terms. As AlexBot2004 says, wiki articles are not titled like they are published works. If anything it would lead to more confusion and inconsistency. [[User:Chubby Bub|Chubby Bub]] ([[User talk:Chubby Bub|talk]]) 23:01, April 15, 2024 (EDT)
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| year = 2024
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| month = 4
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| day = 21
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| hour = 14
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| minute = 35
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| percent = <!--Staff use only.-->
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| result = <!--Staff use only.-->
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| staffsig = <!--Staff use only.-->
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Though I suspect everyone who will participate in this proposal knows this, a brief overview:
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===Policies regarding staff promotions/demotions===
* {{DnM}} was released for the [[Nintendo 64]] on April 14, 2001, in Japan only.
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{{proposal
* {{DnM+}} was released for the [[Nintendo GameCube]] on December 14, 2001, a port of {{DnM|nolink}} with many more features added, again in Japan only.
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| title = Policies regarding staff promotions/demotions
* {{PG}} was released for the GameCube in 2002 in North America, and in 2003 and 2004 in other regions. Although it is the international version of {{DnM+|nolink}}, it added new events, characters, and other features.
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| description = This proposal contains several changes to the staff application/promotion process as well as new policies regarding staff demotions.
* {{DnMe+}} was released for the GameCube in 2003 in Japan only, giving Japan the new features introduced in {{PG|nolink}} and other new, exclusive features.
 
* ''Dòngwù Sēnlín'' was released for the [[iQue Player]], a console that ported N64 games– in this instance {{DnM|nolink}}– to China, in 2006. Though not much is known about this version due to its obscurity and technical difficulties, we know items were changed/added as well as events and villager houses, at the very least.
 
  
So first: currently {{DnM+}} and {{PG}} are at the same page, the former a redirect to the latter. (This makes sense as this is an English wiki, I can only assume if this were a Japanese wiki we'd do the opposite.) It is correct that {{DnM+|nolink}} and {{PG|nolink}} are two regional versions of the same game. Nintendo has made it clear when they overview the series in Japan that the first three games are {{DnM|nolink}}, {{DnM+|nolink}} and {{DnMe+|nolink}}. Also, DnM+'s game ID is GAFJ and AC's is GAFE in America. The first letter indicates the system (G - GameCube), the second and third the game (AF/AE - Animal Forest/Animal Forest e+, I assume), the last the region (J- Japan, E - North America). (For reference, DnM's ID is NAFJ (N - N64) and AC in Europe/Australia is GAFP (P - PAL); the iQue Player uses a different system.) So, to be very clear, '''I am not contending that {{DnM+|nolink}} and {{PG|nolink}} are two different versions of the same game; rather, I accept this and ''still'' believe they should have separate pages.''' Here's why:
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;Application/Promotion
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If accepted, the following policies will be integrated into the [[Nookipedia:Staff/Apply|staff application page]].
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*Staff applications will require a minimum of 5 votes before the result can be determined. If the voting period ends before 5 votes are cast, the voting period will be extended for 7 days.
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*Non-staff must start out as a Patroller. Our current policy merely suggests that non-staff start out as a Patroller, but this policy will require it. The only exceptions are users who were previously Administrators or Bureaucrats and either resigned or were demoted due to inactivity; these users can apply directly for their previous position.
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*Patrollers must wait 2 months before they can apply for Administrator, and Administrators must wait 2 months before they can apply for Bureaucrat.
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*A user who successfully applies for staff must add a verified email address to their account before they can be promoted. If one is not added within 30 days of a successful staff application, the application will be rendered null and the user will not become staff.
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*On a similar note, Administrators who successfully apply for a Bureaucrat position must enable [[Help:Two-factor authentication|two-factor authentication]] on their account before they can be promoted. If it is not enabled within 30 days of a successful application, the application will be rendered null and the user will not be promoted.
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;Demotion
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There are currently no official rules on staff demotion. If accepted, the following policies will be documented on a new policy page.
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*If a staff member has not edited the wiki in over a year, they will be removed from their position.
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**If the user resumes activity on the wiki, they may return to their previous position within a year of their demotion. After a year, the user must go through the staff application process again.
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**Only wiki edits make a user 'active' in this regard. Activity in the Discord server or anywhere else off-wiki does not count.
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:''Note: If this proposal passes, any staff members who have already not edited in over a year will have a 30-day grace period after it goes into effect to resume activity before they will be demoted.''
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*Any staff member may voluntarily step down from their staff position or move down to a lower position (e.g. Bureaucrat to Administrator)
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**If the user wishes, they may return to their previous position within a year of their resignation. After a year, the user must go through the staff application process again.
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*If an existing staff member removes their email address from their account, they will have 30 days to re-add it or add a different email, after which they will be removed from the staff.
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*If an existing Bureaucrat removes two-factor authentication from their account, they will have 30 days to re-enable it, after which they will be demoted to Administrator.
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*If a staff member does not utilize their abilities as staff, improperly utilizes them, or is otherwise seen as unfit to be staff, they may be expelled from the staff by a vote. Only Bureaucrats or Directors may call for a vote to expel another staff member. The vote will be held on the wiki and have the same rules as a staff application: support from 65% of voting staff members and a minimum of 5 total votes.
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**If an expulsion vote is called in bad faith, it may be vetoed by a Director.
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**An expelled user may apply for staff again as a Patroller (regardless of their previous position) after 6 months.
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*If a staff member clearly abuses their staff powers, vandalizes the site, or does any other action that would result in a block, they will be blocked from editing and removed from their staff position immediately.
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There's a lot here, but my hope is to remove some of the vagueness in our existing policies, as well as create new policies to account for all possible scenarios. Thank you for your time and consideration. '''~'''&nbsp;[[User:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#1C662A">'''AlexBot2004'''</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:black">Talk</span>]]) 20:55, April 14, 2024 (EDT)
  
Nookipedia is an encyclopedia about a video game series. We cover the contents of the games and gameplay. As such, gameplay differences are an important aspect to cover. More recently, through datamining and the creation of the AC Spreadsheets and Item pages, many more differences beyond "they added a couple characters and events" have come to light. This includes, but is not limited to: the way items are obtained, many items being removed and added, most events being changed, the way passwords work, the way [[e-Reader card]]s work, songs being added or replaced, character/item appearance changes, and villager house interiors. These may be two different versions of the same game, but major aspects of the gameplay differ significantly. The premise for merging the pages was that they have "relatively few differences" or "minor differences", which is simply untrue.
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*Obviously not. Although I agree with the "minimum" vote, and non staff users can apply for anything, even bureaucrat. Plus, it should be a 80% agreement for demoting staff, because sometimes people are wrongly accused. '''''Plus, if there is no vote for demoting a staff that <u>clearly</u> abused tools, who in the world decides that it is a <u>clearly</u>? There should still be a vote when demoting staff who <u>clearly</u> abused tools.''''' Plus, staff that was removed and indefinitely barred from becoming staff again will just be mad and create a sockpuppet account. Plus, what if a director does something bad? Then a bureaucrat can propose a removal, but then the director removes it on sight. For example, lets say SuperHamster vandalizes every single page. But then, AlexBot2004 calls a proposal to remove him. And then SuperHamster can just remove that application because he is a director and can do that, as you mentioned above in your super-long boring description. [[File:ACL.png|20px]] [[User:Acnh Player|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#448EE4">'''Acnh Player'''</span>]] [[User talk:Acnh Player|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#1C662A">'''(talk)'''</span>]] [[File:ACL.png|20px]] 21:39, April 14, 2024 (EDT)
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** I don't get this argument. So you're saying that if a admin abuses their rights in a clear malicious intent, we should wait by voting on their demotion instead of taking action immediately? Also, why assume the user's going to sockpuppet if they get banned? Staff rights is a responsibility, if anything goes wrong, we have to take action and take accountability for what goes on in the backstage. I'm confused. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 01:36, April 15, 2024 (EDT)
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* Solid set of rules. I do have two recommended changes:
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** Regarding only a Bureaucrat being able to call for a vote to expel, I suggest it be Bureaucrats + Directors.
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** "A user removed from the staff in this manner will be indefinitely barred from becoming staff again" -> I think we can remove this line. While it's very likely a staff member removed for abuse would never be staff again, I don't like absolutes like this. It's theoretically possible for someone to come back years later, be productive, and be re-accepted as staff.
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* Other than that, the proposal looks great and I'm happy to support. '''~[[User:SuperHamster|''<span style="color:#07517C;">Super</span>''<span style="color:#6FA23B;">Hamster</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]] [[Special:Contribs/SuperHamster|Contribs]]</small> 02:40, April 15, 2024 (EDT)
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**I've gone ahead and made both of those changes. For the first point, I initially worded the expulsion vote sentence that way since Directors are inherently Bureaucrats, but it is good to clarify. For the second, now that I think about it more, I agree that it is better to not have absolutes regarding being barred from staff. '''~'''&nbsp;[[User:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#1C662A">'''AlexBot2004'''</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:black">Talk</span>]]) 02:50, April 15, 2024 (EDT)
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***Thank you! '''~[[User:SuperHamster|''<span style="color:#07517C;">Super</span>''<span style="color:#6FA23B;">Hamster</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]] [[Special:Contribs/SuperHamster|Contribs]]</small> 03:25, April 15, 2024 (EDT)
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*Sure I changed my vote. {{Unsigned|Acnh Player}}
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* Another hypothetical situation where we might want to reallow someone who acts disruptively is if their account was demonstrably hacked or accessed by someone else. [[User:Chubby Bub|Chubby Bub]] ([[User talk:Chubby Bub|talk]]) 22:56, April 15, 2024 (EDT)
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* {{Support}} I changed my vote lol. [[File:ACL.png|20px]] [[User:Acnh Player|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#448EE4">'''Acnh Player'''</span>]] [[User talk:Acnh Player|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#1C662A">'''(talk)'''</span>]] [[File:ACL.png|20px]] 19:05, April 15, 2024 (EDT)
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* {{Support}} These changes are definitely well needed especially given the lack of activity by most of our staff, and the fact that info on admin abuse is definitely well warranted. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 01:36, April 15, 2024 (EDT)
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* {{Support}} '''~[[User:SuperHamster|''<span style="color:#07517C;">Super</span>''<span style="color:#6FA23B;">Hamster</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]] [[Special:Contribs/SuperHamster|Contribs]]</small> 03:25, April 15, 2024 (EDT)
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* {{Support}} Yeah, I guess I'm mostly on board. The only sticking point I have is that two months in between positions is ''mildly'' arbitrary and I think focusing on experience prior to the position makes a little more sense, but I guess I can see the point in why it is done this way too. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig Jegman]] - 10:22, April 15, 2024 (EDT)
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* {{Support}} [[User:Drago|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:green">Drago</span>]] [[User talk:Drago|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:purple">(talk)</span>]]    [[File:Drago PC Villager Icon.png|20px]] 10:41, April 15, 2024 (EDT)
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* {{Support}} Thanks, --[[User:SunsetBay|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#D7A5E0">SunsetBay</span>]] ([[User talk:SunsetBay|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#F3B4EF">Talk</span>]]) [[File: Bob NL Villager Icon.png|25px]] 13:22, April 15, 2024 (EDT)
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* {{Support}} I had a few questions/concerns, mainly about absolutes, but they've now been addressed. [[User:Chubby Bub|Chubby Bub]] ([[User talk:Chubby Bub|talk]]) 22:56, April 15, 2024 (EDT)
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| hour = 20
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| percent = <!--Staff use only.-->
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Furthermore, people looking for information on {{DnM+||nolink}} are generally not looking for info on {{PG|nolink}}, and vice versa. The only reason for [[Template:DnM+]] to be used is in comparison to other games with gameplay differences– yet the link redirects you to one of those pages. If a casual reader reads "in {{DnM+}} x, but in {{PG}} y" yet both link to {{PG}}, this serves as a point of confusion. Then, it isn't immediately apparent by looking at that page that the two are regional versions of the same game. Also, I've on occasion seen {{DnM+|nolink}} replaced with something like "the Japanese version of {{PG|nolink}}" or "{{PG|nolink}} (Japan)", which again, while technically true, paints a picture that is not exactly true. Regardless of the outcome of this proposal, I would discourage this type of language.
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===Adding more rights to patrollers===
 
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{{proposal
So all of that is why I think the games should be not be not be on the same page. But neither should they be considered separate games, just acknowledged as separate versions. Since this is an English wiki, most users will likely be looking for information on {{PG|nolink}}, and that should still be our primary page for the two, especially where things are the same in-game. But {{DnM+}} should be its own page detailing its release and gameplay, what it added, etc. As for the Version differences sections on game pages, they should detail the differences added compared to the prior version. This reasoning is also why the PAL version of {{PG|nolink}} does not need to be split; there are no significant gameplay differences, just minor model changes and at most moving the date of a couple holidays. (Well, that we know of...)
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| title = Adding more rights to patrollers
 
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| description = I think patrollers should be able to block users and edit protected pages. {{Unsigned|Acnh Player}}
All of the above is also why I think ''Dòngwù Sēnlín'' should also have a separate page. While we know a lot less about it, we do know that it is significantly different from {{DnM|nolink}}, and that includes item differences. I also think it should get its own linking template (even if we don't split the pages)– ''Dòngwù Sēnlín'' is a pain to type out, and again, I think things like "the iQue Player version of {{DnM}}" should be avoided. The short version should probably be "iQue", since "DS" could cause confusion with [[Nintendo DS|the handheld console]], and also just seems kind of silly to me.
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| comments = *I'm not sure if this should be voted on as a proposal, and it might be better for staff to decide. But I'll give my opinion anyway: this change would make Patrollers too similar to Administrators and the second promotion wouldn't feel like a big step up. There also isn't enough vandalism currently to justify needing more users with blocking rights. I do think we should re-assess the role of Patrollers on this wiki (this is nothing against the users who currently hold the position, simply that I think the position itself is flawed), but I'm not sure simply adding more rights is the best way to do that. [[User:Drago|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:green">Drago</span>]] [[User talk:Drago|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:purple">(talk)</span>]]   [[File:Drago PC Villager Icon.png|20px]] 11:47, April 17, 2024 (EDT)
 
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* I'll add that fully protected pages aren't in the mainspace, mostly consisting of policy and critical templates and modules. We can still view and copy their source codes, which is helpful for illustrating proposed modifications. [[User:BladeofEvilsBane|BladeofEvilsBane]] ([[User talk:BladeofEvilsBane|talk]]) 08:52, April 18, 2024 (EDT)
The last part of this proposal is clarifying that this shouldn't only split the game pages, but related pages such as [[Furniture/Animal Crossing]], where there are differences. The way those pages are currently handled is another point of confusion. ''Dòngwù Sēnlín'' items should also get their own pages in the Item namespace.
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| votes = *{{Oppose}} --[[User:Drago|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:green">Drago</span>]] [[User talk:Drago|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:purple">(talk)</span>]]   [[File:Drago PC Villager Icon.png|20px]] 11:47, April 17, 2024 (EDT)
 
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* {{Oppose}} per Drago '''~'''&nbsp;[[User:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#1C662A">'''AlexBot2004'''</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:black">Talk</span>]]) 00:38, April 18, 2024 (EDT)
I know this was a long post, but well, proposals tend to be, and there was a lot to cover, so thanks for reading it. (Well, I hope you did.) [[User:Chubby Bub|Chubby Bub]] ([[User talk:Chubby Bub|talk]]) 04:51, August 10, 2022 (EDT)
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* {{Oppose}} per Drago [[User:BladeofEvilsBane|BladeofEvilsBane]] ([[User talk:BladeofEvilsBane|talk]]) 08:52, April 18, 2024 (EDT)
| comments = *Great proposal! Both {{DnM+|nolink}} and ''Dòngwù Sēnlín'' have enough differences from {{PG|nolink}} and {{DnM|nolink}}, respectively (enough that the regional differences sections take up a large chunk of both pages), to warrant having their own pages to cover said differences (as well as separate item lists and terminology when referring to the games in articles). I also agree with having {{t|iQue}} as a shorthand for ''Dòngwù Sēnlín'' and creating pages for that game's exclusive items (if/when that data is datamined). '''~'''&nbsp;[[User:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#1C662A">'''AlexBot2004'''</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:black">Talk</span>]]) 21:48, August 10, 2022 (EDT)
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* {{Oppose}} per Drago --[[File:Shark HHD Icon.png|20px]] [[User:Dorsal Axe|<span style="color:#0B3E57; font-family: Coustard">Dorsal Axe</span>]] <span style="font-family: Coustard"><small>([[User talk:Dorsal Axe|talk]])</small></span> 09:17, April 18, 2024 (EDT)
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{{Support}} [[User:TimeSword3D|TimeSword3D]] ([[User talk:TimeSword3D|talk]]) 09:32, August 10, 2022 (EDT) <br>
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{{Support}} [[User:Senor Mexicano|Senor Mexicano]] ([[User talk:Senor Mexicano|talk]]) 16:16, August 10, 2022 (EDT) <br>
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Nookipedia Proposals allow the community to vote on sitewide changes that would affect a large number of pages or users. This process is not a replacement for community-wide input (see:The Roost) or talk page discussion. Rather, it takes the final product of those discussions (in the form of a proposal) and puts them to a vote.

Rules[edit]

  • Proposals are only necessary for changes that would affect a large number of pages or users. Some examples: rules/policy changes, adding/removing namespaces, making major modifications to/replacing templates that affect 1000+ pages.
  • Proposals are for voting on fully worked out ideas. They should be a binary yes/no choice and not have any yet-to-be-determined components: no 'option a, b, or c'. Proposals may be submitted without prior public comment or feedback, but should not receive major edits or changes once voting has started. If a proposal does not follow these rules or is otherwise deemed unfit, it may be vetoed at the discretion of a Bureaucrat.
  • Proposals can only be submitted and voted upon by registered users. Comments or votes from unregistered users will be removed immediately. Furthermore, all votes or comments must have a signature attached (~~~~). Users are not allowed to vote on their own proposal, but may respond to comments.
  • Proposals will be open for seven days. This voting deadline can be extended upon request, at the discretion of a Bureaucrat.
  • At the end of the voting period, if the proposal has at least a 2/3 majority (66%) support and five total votes it will be considered successful. A Bureaucrat will then officially close the proposal, and either enact it themselves, or coordinate with other staff members to make sure the proposal is completed.
    • If the proposal does not have five votes at the end of the voting period, the voting period will be extended for seven days.
  • Once a proposal has been enacted, the staff member responsible will make a note here and move the proposal to the Archives.

How to make a proposal[edit]

All proposals must be made using the template provided below, posted under the "Current Proposals" heading:

{{proposal
| title       = A short, one-sentence description of the proposal.
| description = Additional proposal details/explanation.
| comments    = User commentary on proposal.
| votes       = User votes on proposal: {{Support}} or {{Oppose}} + signature (~~~~).
}}

Current proposals[edit]

Changing the capitalization policy[edit]

Proposal: Changing the capitalization policy
How about we change the capitalization policy so that every letter in the title has to be capitalized except words like "the" and "and"? The English grammar is like that, and Nookipedia should probably follow it. I know this will effect so many pages, but again, I think it is necessary. ACL.png Acnh Player (talk) ACL.png 14:35, April 14, 2024 (EDT)
Comments:
  • Personally, I feel the capitalization policy is perfectly fine as it is and actually refers to in-game capitalization. I can understand the meaning of your message, but the wording is a bit clumsy- is that how you phrase it? Raven Star (talk) 14:42, April 14, 2024 (EDT)
  • The rules for capitalizing each word in a title generally only apply to published works or works of art. For anything else (including wiki articles), the titles are subject to whatever style guide the website/organization has in place. In our case, that is the Manual of Style, which dictates that article and section names should be in sentence case, and I see no reason to change that. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 18:47, April 14, 2024 (EDT)
Votes:
  • Oppose Oppose As per my above comment. Raven Star (talk) 14:42, April 14, 2024 (EDT)
  • Oppose Oppose ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 18:47, April 14, 2024 (EDT)
  • Oppose Oppose -- PanchamBro (talkcontributions) 01:36, April 15, 2024 (EDT)
  • Oppose Oppose Drago (talk) Drago PC Villager Icon.png 10:41, April 15, 2024 (EDT)
  • Oppose Oppose We already decided to follow in-game capitalization for in-game terms. As AlexBot2004 says, wiki articles are not titled like they are published works. If anything it would lead to more confusion and inconsistency. Chubby Bub (talk) 23:01, April 15, 2024 (EDT)
Result: (??%) To be determined.

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Policies regarding staff promotions/demotions[edit]

Proposal: Policies regarding staff promotions/demotions
This proposal contains several changes to the staff application/promotion process as well as new policies regarding staff demotions.
Application/Promotion

If accepted, the following policies will be integrated into the staff application page.

  • Staff applications will require a minimum of 5 votes before the result can be determined. If the voting period ends before 5 votes are cast, the voting period will be extended for 7 days.

  • Non-staff must start out as a Patroller. Our current policy merely suggests that non-staff start out as a Patroller, but this policy will require it. The only exceptions are users who were previously Administrators or Bureaucrats and either resigned or were demoted due to inactivity; these users can apply directly for their previous position.

  • Patrollers must wait 2 months before they can apply for Administrator, and Administrators must wait 2 months before they can apply for Bureaucrat.

  • A user who successfully applies for staff must add a verified email address to their account before they can be promoted. If one is not added within 30 days of a successful staff application, the application will be rendered null and the user will not become staff.
  • On a similar note, Administrators who successfully apply for a Bureaucrat position must enable two-factor authentication on their account before they can be promoted. If it is not enabled within 30 days of a successful application, the application will be rendered null and the user will not be promoted.
Demotion

There are currently no official rules on staff demotion. If accepted, the following policies will be documented on a new policy page.

  • If a staff member has not edited the wiki in over a year, they will be removed from their position.
    • If the user resumes activity on the wiki, they may return to their previous position within a year of their demotion. After a year, the user must go through the staff application process again.
    • Only wiki edits make a user 'active' in this regard. Activity in the Discord server or anywhere else off-wiki does not count.
Note: If this proposal passes, any staff members who have already not edited in over a year will have a 30-day grace period after it goes into effect to resume activity before they will be demoted.

  • Any staff member may voluntarily step down from their staff position or move down to a lower position (e.g. Bureaucrat to Administrator)
    • If the user wishes, they may return to their previous position within a year of their resignation. After a year, the user must go through the staff application process again.

  • If an existing staff member removes their email address from their account, they will have 30 days to re-add it or add a different email, after which they will be removed from the staff.
  • If an existing Bureaucrat removes two-factor authentication from their account, they will have 30 days to re-enable it, after which they will be demoted to Administrator.

  • If a staff member does not utilize their abilities as staff, improperly utilizes them, or is otherwise seen as unfit to be staff, they may be expelled from the staff by a vote. Only Bureaucrats or Directors may call for a vote to expel another staff member. The vote will be held on the wiki and have the same rules as a staff application: support from 65% of voting staff members and a minimum of 5 total votes.
    • If an expulsion vote is called in bad faith, it may be vetoed by a Director.
    • An expelled user may apply for staff again as a Patroller (regardless of their previous position) after 6 months.

  • If a staff member clearly abuses their staff powers, vandalizes the site, or does any other action that would result in a block, they will be blocked from editing and removed from their staff position immediately.

There's a lot here, but my hope is to remove some of the vagueness in our existing policies, as well as create new policies to account for all possible scenarios. Thank you for your time and consideration. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 20:55, April 14, 2024 (EDT)

Comments:
  • Obviously not. Although I agree with the "minimum" vote, and non staff users can apply for anything, even bureaucrat. Plus, it should be a 80% agreement for demoting staff, because sometimes people are wrongly accused. Plus, if there is no vote for demoting a staff that clearly abused tools, who in the world decides that it is a clearly? There should still be a vote when demoting staff who clearly abused tools. Plus, staff that was removed and indefinitely barred from becoming staff again will just be mad and create a sockpuppet account. Plus, what if a director does something bad? Then a bureaucrat can propose a removal, but then the director removes it on sight. For example, lets say SuperHamster vandalizes every single page. But then, AlexBot2004 calls a proposal to remove him. And then SuperHamster can just remove that application because he is a director and can do that, as you mentioned above in your super-long boring description. ACL.png Acnh Player (talk) ACL.png 21:39, April 14, 2024 (EDT)
    • I don't get this argument. So you're saying that if a admin abuses their rights in a clear malicious intent, we should wait by voting on their demotion instead of taking action immediately? Also, why assume the user's going to sockpuppet if they get banned? Staff rights is a responsibility, if anything goes wrong, we have to take action and take accountability for what goes on in the backstage. I'm confused. -- PanchamBro (talkcontributions) 01:36, April 15, 2024 (EDT)
  • Solid set of rules. I do have two recommended changes:
    • Regarding only a Bureaucrat being able to call for a vote to expel, I suggest it be Bureaucrats + Directors.
    • "A user removed from the staff in this manner will be indefinitely barred from becoming staff again" -> I think we can remove this line. While it's very likely a staff member removed for abuse would never be staff again, I don't like absolutes like this. It's theoretically possible for someone to come back years later, be productive, and be re-accepted as staff.
  • Other than that, the proposal looks great and I'm happy to support. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 02:40, April 15, 2024 (EDT)
    • I've gone ahead and made both of those changes. For the first point, I initially worded the expulsion vote sentence that way since Directors are inherently Bureaucrats, but it is good to clarify. For the second, now that I think about it more, I agree that it is better to not have absolutes regarding being barred from staff. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 02:50, April 15, 2024 (EDT)
  • Sure I changed my vote. - unsigned comment from Acnh Player (talkcontribs)
  • Another hypothetical situation where we might want to reallow someone who acts disruptively is if their account was demonstrably hacked or accessed by someone else. Chubby Bub (talk) 22:56, April 15, 2024 (EDT)
Votes:
  • Support Support I changed my vote lol. ACL.png Acnh Player (talk) ACL.png 19:05, April 15, 2024 (EDT)
  • Support Support These changes are definitely well needed especially given the lack of activity by most of our staff, and the fact that info on admin abuse is definitely well warranted. -- PanchamBro (talkcontributions) 01:36, April 15, 2024 (EDT)
  • Support Support ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 03:25, April 15, 2024 (EDT)
  • Support Support Yeah, I guess I'm mostly on board. The only sticking point I have is that two months in between positions is mildly arbitrary and I think focusing on experience prior to the position makes a little more sense, but I guess I can see the point in why it is done this way too. Trig Jegman - 10:22, April 15, 2024 (EDT)
  • Support Support Drago (talk) Drago PC Villager Icon.png 10:41, April 15, 2024 (EDT)
  • Support Support Thanks, --SunsetBay (Talk) Bob NL Villager Icon.png 13:22, April 15, 2024 (EDT)
  • Support Support I had a few questions/concerns, mainly about absolutes, but they've now been addressed. Chubby Bub (talk) 22:56, April 15, 2024 (EDT)
Result: (??%) To be determined.

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Adding more rights to patrollers[edit]

Proposal: Adding more rights to patrollers
I think patrollers should be able to block users and edit protected pages. - unsigned comment from Acnh Player (talkcontribs)
Comments:
  • I'm not sure if this should be voted on as a proposal, and it might be better for staff to decide. But I'll give my opinion anyway: this change would make Patrollers too similar to Administrators and the second promotion wouldn't feel like a big step up. There also isn't enough vandalism currently to justify needing more users with blocking rights. I do think we should re-assess the role of Patrollers on this wiki (this is nothing against the users who currently hold the position, simply that I think the position itself is flawed), but I'm not sure simply adding more rights is the best way to do that. Drago (talk) Drago PC Villager Icon.png 11:47, April 17, 2024 (EDT)
  • I'll add that fully protected pages aren't in the mainspace, mostly consisting of policy and critical templates and modules. We can still view and copy their source codes, which is helpful for illustrating proposed modifications. BladeofEvilsBane (talk) 08:52, April 18, 2024 (EDT)
Votes:
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