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Nookipedia '''Proposals''' allow the community to vote on sitewide changes that would affect a large number of pages or users. This process is not a replacement for community-wide input (see:[[Nookipedia:The Roost|The Roost]]) or talk page discussion. Rather, it takes the final product of those discussions (in the form form of a proposal) and puts them to a vote.
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Nookipedia '''Proposals''' allow the community to vote on sitewide changes that would affect a large number of pages or users. This process is not a replacement for community-wide input (see:[[Nookipedia:The Roost|The Roost]]) or talk page discussion. Rather, it takes the final product of those discussions (in the form of a proposal) and puts them to a vote.
  
 
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| title       = Axe using event notices at [[Mediawiki:Sitenotice]]; delete all pages under [[Schedule:Months]]
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| description = This is starting to become a problem, especially for me as an editor. We generally have left our site notice around to alert users about events ongoing in the ''Animal Crossing'' games, with the latest pages centered being ''New Horizons''. But, on the premise of how it operate, the system now just feels intrusive that it gets in the way not only for editors, but for readers, who cannot remove those site notices on mobile.
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You might be inclined to propose several solutions, like combining certain events into one template so it outputs events, or make these notices invisible on mobile, but even with those solutions, we might end up having a site notice that still acts intrusive. Whenever there's a very important site notice, such as announcing that [[Nookipedia:Cross-Wiki Week|NIWA's Cross-Wiki Week]] has started, or if there are multiple events happening (see [[Schedule:Months/May/31]]), all of that crams the actual wiki content down significantly, something that will annoy readers even if solutions like combining these templates into one. Coupled with the fact that this system is basically useless since event info is displayed on the [[Main Page]] anyways, this system is overall functionally annoying and outdated.
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With this proposal, I want the site notices to display these events gone. Period. The [[Schedule:Months]] pages will be deleted following the proposal's success, and [[Mediawiki:Sitenotice]] will be reserved for Nookipedia-related events, like our birthday, or as I mentioned Cross-Wiki Week. Note that I do not want the entire Schedule namespace removed; the Schedule namespace has birthday pages used on our Main Page and [[Schedule:New Horizons]] is being used for cargo purposes. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 17:00, December 1, 2022 (EST)
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| comments    = * I think the notices are helpful for players (they are at least helpful to me). I encourage combining everything into a single, smaller banner to limit intrusiveness. Mobile users ''can'' dismiss site notices on mobile...we're not using MobileFrontend anymore. The current limitation is that anon users cannot dismiss notices, but we can remedy that by setting <code>$wgDismissableSiteNoticeForAnons</code> to true. I would only support axing it all if we have evidence that our readers find it annoying (e.g. a poll on the Discord server), after we've implemented changes (making notices smaller + letting anons dismiss them). If, say, readers find it useful but editors find it annoying, we could implement a gadget that lets editors toggle event banners. I could maybe support removing the event notices on the premise that it has been several years since NH came out, but I would not want to ax the whole system, and I would want the notices to resume whenever the next game came out. '''~[[User:SuperHamster|''<span style="color:#07517C;">Super</span>''<span style="color:#6FA23B;">Hamster</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]] [[Special:Contribs/SuperHamster|Contribs]]</small> 17:26, December 1, 2022 (EST)
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*I agree with SuperHamster, and I think we should implement some of his solutions first (allowing anons to dismiss notices, making the banner smaller, adding a gadget to let editors hide the banners), and see how that goes before giving up on event notices altogether. If problems persist, we can reconsider. [[User:Drago|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:green">Drago</span>]] [[User talk:Drago|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:purple">(talk)</span>]]    [[File:Drago PC Villager Icon.png|20px]] 12:53, December 2, 2022 (EST)
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* Could we not just get rid of notices for the less important events (e.g. "first day of DIY recipes", or whatever), but keep it for major ones (e.g. [[Toy Day]])? I feel like the Main Page covers all those minor ones pretty well now. The banner was never terribly intrusive when it simply informed of a major holiday. I'm inclined to agree that its usage has become excessive in its current form. --[[File:Shark HHD Icon.png|20px]] [[User:Dorsal Axe|<span style="color:#0B3E57; font-family: Coustard">Dorsal Axe</span>]] <span style="font-family: Coustard"><small>([[User talk:Dorsal Axe|talk]])</small></span> 13:06, December 3, 2022 (EST)
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:* I think that's a good compromise. I'm not sure if I can change the proposal a bit to reword it, but if we can trim out the Schedule namespace to only feature major events, I think that would be better. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 14:49, December 3, 2022 (EST)
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| votes      = {{Oppose}} '''~[[User:SuperHamster|''<span style="color:#07517C;">Super</span>''<span style="color:#6FA23B;">Hamster</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]] [[Special:Contribs/SuperHamster|Contribs]]</small> 17:26, December 1, 2022 (EST)<br>{{Oppose}} [[User:Drago|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:green">Drago</span>]] [[User talk:Drago|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:purple">(talk)</span>]]    [[File:Drago PC Villager Icon.png|20px]] 12:53, December 2, 2022 (EST)
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Revision as of 15:49, December 3, 2022

Nookipedia Proposals allow the community to vote on sitewide changes that would affect a large number of pages or users. This process is not a replacement for community-wide input (see:The Roost) or talk page discussion. Rather, it takes the final product of those discussions (in the form of a proposal) and puts them to a vote.

Rules

  • Proposals are only necessary for changes that would affect a large number of pages or users. Some examples: rules/policy changes, adding/removing namespaces, making major modifications to/replacing templates that affect 1000+ pages.
  • Proposals are for voting on fully worked out ideas. They should not have any yet-to-be-determined components: no 'option a, b, or c'. Proposals may be submitted without prior public comment or feedback, but should not receive major edits or changes once voting has started.
  • Proposals can only be submitted and voted upon by registered users. Comments or votes from unregistered users will be removed immediately. Furthermore, all votes or comments must have a signature attached (~~~~). Users are not allowed to vote on their own proposal, but may respond to comments.
  • Proposals will be open for seven days. This voting deadline can be extended upon request, at the discretion of a Bureaucrat.
  • At the end of the voting period, if the proposal has at least a 2/3 majority (66%) it will be considered successful. A Bureaucrat will then officially close the proposal, and either enact it themselves, or coordinate with other staff members to make sure the proposal is completed.
  • Once a proposal has been enacted, the staff member responsible will make a note here and move the proposal to the Archives.

How to make a proposal

All proposals must be made using the template provided below, posted under the "Current Proposals" heading:

{{proposal
| title       = A short, one-sentence description of the proposal.
| description = Additional proposal details/explanation.
| comments    = User commentary on proposal.
| votes       = User votes on proposal: {{Support}} or {{Oppose}} + signature (~~~~).
}}

Current proposals

Proposal: Axe using event notices at Mediawiki:Sitenotice; delete all pages under Schedule:Months
This is starting to become a problem, especially for me as an editor. We generally have left our site notice around to alert users about events ongoing in the Animal Crossing games, with the latest pages centered being New Horizons. But, on the premise of how it operate, the system now just feels intrusive that it gets in the way not only for editors, but for readers, who cannot remove those site notices on mobile.

You might be inclined to propose several solutions, like combining certain events into one template so it outputs events, or make these notices invisible on mobile, but even with those solutions, we might end up having a site notice that still acts intrusive. Whenever there's a very important site notice, such as announcing that NIWA's Cross-Wiki Week has started, or if there are multiple events happening (see Schedule:Months/May/31), all of that crams the actual wiki content down significantly, something that will annoy readers even if solutions like combining these templates into one. Coupled with the fact that this system is basically useless since event info is displayed on the Main Page anyways, this system is overall functionally annoying and outdated.

With this proposal, I want the site notices to display these events gone. Period. The Schedule:Months pages will be deleted following the proposal's success, and Mediawiki:Sitenotice will be reserved for Nookipedia-related events, like our birthday, or as I mentioned Cross-Wiki Week. Note that I do not want the entire Schedule namespace removed; the Schedule namespace has birthday pages used on our Main Page and Schedule:New Horizons is being used for cargo purposes. -- PanchamBro (talkcontributions) 17:00, December 1, 2022 (EST)

Comments:
  • I think the notices are helpful for players (they are at least helpful to me). I encourage combining everything into a single, smaller banner to limit intrusiveness. Mobile users can dismiss site notices on mobile...we're not using MobileFrontend anymore. The current limitation is that anon users cannot dismiss notices, but we can remedy that by setting $wgDismissableSiteNoticeForAnons to true. I would only support axing it all if we have evidence that our readers find it annoying (e.g. a poll on the Discord server), after we've implemented changes (making notices smaller + letting anons dismiss them). If, say, readers find it useful but editors find it annoying, we could implement a gadget that lets editors toggle event banners. I could maybe support removing the event notices on the premise that it has been several years since NH came out, but I would not want to ax the whole system, and I would want the notices to resume whenever the next game came out. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 17:26, December 1, 2022 (EST)
  • I agree with SuperHamster, and I think we should implement some of his solutions first (allowing anons to dismiss notices, making the banner smaller, adding a gadget to let editors hide the banners), and see how that goes before giving up on event notices altogether. If problems persist, we can reconsider. Drago (talk) Drago PC Villager Icon.png 12:53, December 2, 2022 (EST)
  • Could we not just get rid of notices for the less important events (e.g. "first day of DIY recipes", or whatever), but keep it for major ones (e.g. Toy Day)? I feel like the Main Page covers all those minor ones pretty well now. The banner was never terribly intrusive when it simply informed of a major holiday. I'm inclined to agree that its usage has become excessive in its current form. --Shark HHD Icon.png Dorsal Axe (talk) 13:06, December 3, 2022 (EST)
  • I think that's a good compromise. I'm not sure if I can change the proposal a bit to reword it, but if we can trim out the Schedule namespace to only feature major events, I think that would be better. -- PanchamBro (talkcontributions) 14:49, December 3, 2022 (EST)
Votes:

Oppose Oppose ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 17:26, December 1, 2022 (EST)
Oppose Oppose Drago (talk) Drago PC Villager Icon.png 12:53, December 2, 2022 (EST)

Result: (??%) To be determined.

Voting on this proposal has ended. (refresh)