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Revision as of 18:20, August 14, 2022

Nookipedia Proposals allow the community to vote on sitewide changes that would affect a large number of pages or users. This process is not a replacement for community-wide input (see:The Roost) or talk page discussion. Rather, it takes the final product of those discussions (in the form form of a proposal) and puts them to a vote.

Rules

  • Proposals are only necessary for changes that would affect a large number of pages or users. Some examples: rules/policy changes, adding/removing namespaces, making major modifications to/replacing templates that affect 1000+ pages.
  • Proposals are for voting on fully worked out ideas. They should not have any yet-to-be-determined components: no 'option a, b, or c'. Proposals may be submitted without prior public comment or feedback, but should not receive major edits or changes once voting has started.
  • Proposals can only be submitted and voted upon by registered users. Comments or votes from unregistered users will be removed immediately. Furthermore, all votes or comments must have a signature attached (~~~~). Users are not allowed to vote on their own proposal, but may respond to comments.
  • Proposals will be open for seven days. This voting deadline can be extended upon request, at the discretion of a Bureaucrat.
  • At the end of the voting period, if the proposal has at least a 2/3 majority (66%) it will be considered successful. A Bureaucrat will then officially close the proposal, and either enact it themselves, or coordinate with other staff members to make sure the proposal is completed.
  • Once a proposal has been enacted, the staff member responsible will make a note here and move the proposal to the Archives.

How to make a proposal

All proposals must be made using the template provided below, posted under the "Current Proposals" heading:

{{proposal
| title       = A short, one-sentence description of the proposal.
| description = Additional proposal details/explanation.
| comments    = User commentary on proposal.
| votes       = User votes on proposal: {{Support}} or {{Oppose}} + signature (~~~~).
}}

Current proposals

Proposal: (Re)separate Doubutsu no Mori+ and Dòngwù Sēnlín
Yeah, it's this discussion again. This (well, the first part) was discussed on Talk:Doubutsu no Mori+ since 2018, and the page was merged with Animal Crossing in 2020. However, the wiki has evolved since then, recent as it may seem, and I strongly believe it would be beneficial to have these pages separate again.

Though I suspect everyone who will participate in this proposal knows this, a brief overview:

  • Doubutsu no Mori was released for the Nintendo 64 on April 14, 2001, in Japan only.
  • Doubutsu no Mori+ was released for the Nintendo GameCube on December 14, 2001, a port of Doubutsu no Mori with many more features added, again in Japan only.
  • Animal Crossing was released for the GameCube in 2002 in North America, and in 2003 and 2004 in other regions. Although it is the international version of Doubutsu no Mori+, it added new events, characters, and other features.
  • Doubutsu no Mori e+ was released for the GameCube in 2003 in Japan only, giving Japan the new features introduced in Animal Crossing and other new, exclusive features.
  • Dòngwù Sēnlín was released for the iQue Player, a console that ported N64 games– in this instance Doubutsu no Mori– to China, in 2006. Though not much is known about this version due to its obscurity and technical difficulties, we know items were changed/added as well as events and villager houses, at the very least.

So first: currently Doubutsu no Mori+ and Animal Crossing are at the same page, the former a redirect to the latter. (This makes sense as this is an English wiki, I can only assume if this were a Japanese wiki we'd do the opposite.) It is correct that Doubutsu no Mori+ and Animal Crossing are two regional versions of the same game. Nintendo has made it clear when they overview the series in Japan that the first three games are Doubutsu no Mori, Doubutsu no Mori+ and Doubutsu no Mori e+. Also, DnM+'s game ID is GAFJ and AC's is GAFE in America. The first letter indicates the system (G - GameCube), the second and third the game (AF/AE - Animal Forest/Animal Forest e+, I assume), the last the region (J- Japan, E - North America). (For reference, DnM's ID is NAFJ (N - N64) and AC in Europe/Australia is GAFP (P - PAL); the iQue Player uses a different system.) So, to be very clear, I am not contending that Doubutsu no Mori+ and Animal Crossing are two different versions of the same game; rather, I accept this and still believe they should have separate pages. Here's why:

Nookipedia is an encyclopedia about a video game series. We cover the contents of the games and gameplay. As such, gameplay differences are an important aspect to cover. More recently, through datamining and the creation of the AC Spreadsheets and Item pages, many more differences beyond "they added a couple characters and events" have come to light. This includes, but is not limited to: the way items are obtained, many items being removed and added, most events being changed, the way passwords work, the way e-Reader cards work, songs being added or replaced, character/item appearance changes, and villager house interiors. These may be two different versions of the same game, but major aspects of the gameplay differ significantly. The premise for merging the pages was that they have "relatively few differences" or "minor differences", which is simply untrue.

Furthermore, people looking for information on Doubutsu no Mori+ are generally not looking for info on Animal Crossing, and vice versa. The only reason for Template:DnM+ to be used is in comparison to other games with gameplay differences– yet the link redirects you to one of those pages. If a casual reader reads "in Doubutsu no Mori+ x, but in Animal Crossing y" yet both link to Animal Crossing, this serves as a point of confusion. Then, it isn't immediately apparent by looking at that page that the two are regional versions of the same game. Also, I've on occasion seen Doubutsu no Mori+ replaced with something like "the Japanese version of Animal Crossing" or "Animal Crossing (Japan)", which again, while technically true, paints a picture that is not exactly true. Regardless of the outcome of this proposal, I would discourage this type of language.

So all of that is why I think the games should be not be not be on the same page. But neither should they be considered separate games, just acknowledged as separate versions. Since this is an English wiki, most users will likely be looking for information on Animal Crossing, and that should still be our primary page for the two, especially where things are the same in-game. But Doubutsu no Mori+ should be its own page detailing its release and gameplay, what it added, etc. As for the Version differences sections on game pages, they should detail the differences added compared to the prior version. This reasoning is also why the PAL version of Animal Crossing does not need to be split; there are no significant gameplay differences, just minor model changes and at most moving the date of a couple holidays. (Well, that we know of...)

All of the above is also why I think Dòngwù Sēnlín should also have a separate page. While we know a lot less about it, we do know that it is significantly different from Doubutsu no Mori, and that includes item differences. I also think it should get its own linking template (even if we don't split the pages)– Dòngwù Sēnlín is a pain to type out, and again, I think things like "the iQue Player version of Doubutsu no Mori" should be avoided. The short version should probably be "iQue", since "DS" could cause confusion with the handheld console, and also just seems kind of silly to me.

The last part of this proposal is clarifying that this shouldn't only split the game pages, but related pages such as Furniture/Animal Crossing, where there are differences. The way those pages are currently handled is another point of confusion. Dòngwù Sēnlín items should also get their own pages in the Item namespace.

I know this was a long post, but well, proposals tend to be, and there was a lot to cover, so thanks for reading it. (Well, I hope you did.) Chubby Bub (talk) 04:51, August 10, 2022 (EDT)

Comments:
  • Great proposal! Both Doubutsu no Mori+ and Dòngwù Sēnlín have enough differences from Animal Crossing and Doubutsu no Mori, respectively (enough that the regional differences sections take up a large chunk of both pages), to warrant having their own pages to cover said differences (as well as separate item lists and terminology when referring to the games in articles). I also agree with having {{iQue}} as a shorthand for Dòngwù Sēnlín and creating pages for that game's exclusive items (if/when that data is datamined). ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 21:48, August 10, 2022 (EDT)
Votes:

Support Support TimeSword3D (talk) 09:32, August 10, 2022 (EDT)
Support Support Senor Mexicano (talk) 16:16, August 10, 2022 (EDT)
Support Support Dr. Peach (talk) 18:02, August 10, 2022 (EDT)
Support Support ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 21:48, August 10, 2022 (EDT)
Support Support -- PanchamBro (talkcontributions) 08:45, August 11, 2022 (EDT)
Support Support Kalina (talk) Pikachu Sig Icon.png 15:40, August 11, 2022 (CET)
Support Support The Messenger(talk) 18:19, August 14, 2022 (EDT)

Result: (??%) To be determined.

Voting on this proposal has ended. (refresh)