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:{{Support}} This sounds like a nice idea. Also although the German wiki exists, German visitors may still visit Nookipedia and search for a villager via the search bar out of curiosity, so it would still be good to have German redirect/disambiguation pages. [[User:HylianAngel|HylianAngel]] ([[User talk:HylianAngel|talk]]) 20:47, August 2, 2022 (EDT)
 
:{{Support}} This sounds like a nice idea. Also although the German wiki exists, German visitors may still visit Nookipedia and search for a villager via the search bar out of curiosity, so it would still be good to have German redirect/disambiguation pages. [[User:HylianAngel|HylianAngel]] ([[User talk:HylianAngel|talk]]) 20:47, August 2, 2022 (EDT)
 
:{{Support}} per the above. '''~'''&nbsp;[[User:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#1C662A">'''AlexBot2004'''</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:black">Talk</span>]]) 20:33, November 18, 2022 (EST)
 
:{{Support}} per the above. '''~'''&nbsp;[[User:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#1C662A">'''AlexBot2004'''</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:black">Talk</span>]]) 20:33, November 18, 2022 (EST)
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:{{Support}} per discussion. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 18:25, December 24, 2022 (EST)
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:{{Support}} per everyone. [[User:Toadalind|💜Toadalind💜]] ([[User talk:Toadalind|talk]]) 16:09, April 12, 2023 (EDT)
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:{{Support}} Good idea!'''''[[User:Briky|Briky]]'''''[[File:Emotion Greetings NH Icon.png|30px]] 16:42, January 6, 2024 (EST)
  
== Discussion on dialogue pages ==
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== Hong Kong or Taiwan ==
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Generally speaking, when considering our usage of Chinese character, we usually denote it with the flag of the {{wp|China|People's Republic of China}} for Simplified Chinese, and the flag of {{wp|Hong Kong}} for Traditional Chinese. I'd like to know though, why are we specifying Hong Kong as the representative for Traditional Chinese? Why not the flag of {{wp|Taiwan}}, a country that has more population than Hong Kong and therefore has more users of Traditional Chinese? -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 02:20, November 25, 2022 (EST)
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:I asked my Chinese friend if it made sense to change the Traditional Chinese flag from the Hong Kong flag to the Taiwanese flag based on population. To rephrase what she stated more gently, she basically said it is very nonsensical to base it on population, and it would be as similarly nonsensical, as say, using California as a basis for the entirety of the United States simply because California has the largest population. She says the flag would also have an impact on the romanization of the Traditional Chinese names, as the dialect in Hong Kong is primarily Cantonese, unlike Taiwan. (More to say on this subject in [[Nookipedia talk:The Roost#New Project: Project Languages]].) [[User:HylianAngel|HylianAngel]] ([[User talk:HylianAngel|talk]]) 16:13, February 17, 2023 (EST)
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== Notice regarding the capitalization proposal ==
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With five votes in support of the changes in our capitalization policy in [[Nookipedia:Proposals]], the majority of users here support using the in-game names of items throughout the {{SER}}. As we're nearing close to the end of the capitalization policy change proposal though, I'd like each and every one of you to refrain from moving or changing the names of each item except only outside of the Item namespace. (e.g. fixing the item names found in the {{t|I}} template)
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I plan to automatically move the item pages and rename the items once the policy changes are set in place, and I don't need problems down the road. So far though, I need to troubleshoot some issues with my pywikibot installation before running the process, as I do not want the process to be disrupted by CSRF token issues. I hope everyone can understand. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 22:32, November 25, 2022 (EST)
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== HHP Archipelago Name change ==
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I feel like the Archipelago is not the best of names, as I was confused when I saw the name. The name should be changed to something like: Paradise Planning Archipelago.
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[[User:Sylveon|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:purple">Sylveon</span>]] <span style="font-family:Coustard;color:turquoise">from</span> [[User talk:Sylveon|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:magenta">Pokemon</span>]] 03:51, December 23, 2022 (EST)
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:Generally speaking, we follow the in-game names for our articles and such, only marking some as conjectural if no official name is found, or marking which names are translations from Japanese. In the case of archipelago, there are no instances that it is named "Paradise Planning Archipelago", nor should it be named in such a way to distinguish as there are no other archipelagos in the {{SER}}. It's a confusing name, yes, but it's more official and present in-game. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 11:53, December 23, 2022 (EST)
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::What about Harv's Island? He himself says "but isnt it an achipelago? a harvipelago?" Thanks, --[[User:SunsetBay|<span style="font-family:Inconsolata;color:#CB6AE7">SunsetBay</span>]] ([[User talk:SunsetBay|<span style="font-family:Inconsolata;color:#E283ED">Talk</span>]]) [[File:Margie NL Villager Icon.png|25px]] 07:25, October 1, 2023 (EDT)
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== Add internal name and ID regarding item ==
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{{Archive top|result=There's support to add the internal name/ID of items to the item pages. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 10:44, February 29, 2024 (EST)}}
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Something that has been on my mind lately was adding internal name and ID regarding a particular item. For instance, the {{I|tulip table|PG}} in {{PG}} has the filename <code>sum_poptable01</code> and the internal ID <code>126C</code>. I believe having information on the item pages would be useful for dataminers, modders, and such if they wanted to inspect information regarding a particular item instead of having to waddle through loads of spreadsheet information. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 09:26, January 29, 2023 (EST)
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: {{Support}} for the reasons you've given. --[[User:BladeofEvilsBane|BladeofEvilsBane]] ([[User talk:BladeofEvilsBane|talk]]) 10:36, January 29, 2023 (EST)
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:{{Support}} '''~'''&nbsp;[[User:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#1C662A">'''AlexBot2004'''</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:black">Talk</span>]]) 14:58, January 29, 2023 (EST)
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:{{Support}} '''''[[User:Briky|Briky]]'''''[[File:Emotion Greetings NH Icon.png|30px]] 15:34, January 6, 2024 (EST)
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== The animal emoji redirects ==
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{{Archive top|result=There doesn't seem to be a high demand to save the animals. The animal redirects shall be deleted. [[User:HylianAngel|HylianAngel]] ([[User talk:HylianAngel|talk]]) 20:43, February 16, 2023 (EST)}}
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Right now there are some emoji redirects involving the species pages. Currently these redirects exist: [[🐂]] [[🐊]] [[🐒]] [[🐕]] [[🐦]] [[🐵]] [[🐶]] [[🐺]] [[🐻]] [[🦍]]
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They are kind of peculiar, and I can't really gauge if these would necessarily be useful. They're so silly that I wouldn't even mind keeping them. I had to do a double-take when I checked Wikipedia, and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Redirects_from_emoji they actually utilize emoji redirects], so it seems like they potentially serve some sort of usefulness. But either way, we should either:
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a. Complete the collection and create more redirects involving the remaining missing animal emojis from the [[:Category:Species|species]] pages<br>
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b. Delete the existing animal emoji redirects.
  
While I believe these pages have some sort of place on this wiki, I believe that the way they are presented is inconsistent and unformatted. Compare [[Mr. Resetti/Animal Crossing dialogue]] with [[The Roost/New Horizons dialogue]].
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What do you think? [[User:HylianAngel|HylianAngel]] ([[User talk:HylianAngel|talk]]) 02:28, February 6, 2023 (EST)
  
It's long overdue at this point, but I'm willing to have a standardization format for dialogue pages at this point. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 10:09, August 13, 2022 (EDT)
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::Very much against the use of animal emoji redirects. I just do not think they are reasonably used or feasibly searched. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 02:07, February 10, 2023 (EST)
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{{Archive bottom}}
  
:I much prefer the format of the New Horizons page. I think we should work on getting the dialogue pages for older games up to that standard. [[User:Drago|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:green">Drago</span>]] [[User talk:Drago|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:purple">(talk)</span>]]    [[File:Drago PC Villager Icon.png|20px]] 11:15, August 13, 2022 (EDT)
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== New Project: Project Languages ==
  
== Portuguese names ==
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I think we should start a project where we fill up the boxes with "unknown" in on templates.
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--[[User:Sylveon|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:purple">Sylveon</span>]] [[User talk:Sylveon|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:magenta">(Autistic and proud!)</span>]]🍉🌺  08:53, February 17, 2023 (EST)
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:Currently, the major missing romanization on all articles, especially villager articles, is Traditional Chinese, as it was made a separate entry from Simplified Chinese. For Japanese, Korean, and Simplified Chinese (the mainland language of China), you can pretty much use Google Translate to obtain an acceptable romanization of the name. However, Traditional Chinese is a slightly more complicated subject to tackle.
  
So while doing some browsing, I have found 11 pages that have the Brazilian flag in their langtables:
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:I asked my Chinese friend if [[Marina#Names in other languages|this Traditional Chinese romanization of Marina's name was correct]], because it was so different from the Simplified Chinese romanization. Zhānglìnà vs. Jēung Laahp Nóh is crazy different, to me as an English-speaking person. But no, she mulled it for a few seconds and said, yep, the Traditional Chinese romanization in this situation is correct. Nookipedia is using the Hong Kong flag, which implies the dialect is Cantonese. I asked her to ignore the flag, and she said you can't do that, the flag matters. I told her that most other wikis, like Bulbapedia and WiKirby don't use flags, and they usually have it simply stated as "Simplified Chinese" and "Traditional Chinese" in written text without flags, and that they tend to make both of those romanizations identical. She said that's the wrong way to approach it, since you're basically erasing an entire dialect from existence by making the romanizations identical. I asked her, would it make sense to make the Traditional and Simplified Chinese romanizations the same if the flag was not there at all, and she said, yes, some dialects of Traditional Chinese would have identical romanization as Simplified Chinese, but that is why the flag is so important in this scenario because the Hong Kong flag implies the Cantonese dialect, and you shouldn't make the romanizations the same if it's the Hong Kong flag.
*[[Animal Crossing: Sweet Day]]
 
*[[Animal Crossing Calculator]]
 
*[[Animal Crossing Clock]]
 
*[[Animal Crossing Plaza]]
 
*[[Fortune Cookie]]
 
*[[Harvey]]
 
*[[Isabelle]]
 
*[[Island Tour Creator]]
 
*[[Jack]] (only for the "Czar of Halloween" title)
 
*[[Player]]
 
*[[Villager (Super Smash Bros. series)]]
 
  
As far as I'm aware, no mainline ''Animal Crossing'' game has ever had a Portuguese localization, so we only have spin-offs and crossovers to go off of.
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:She also explained that China has been attempting to erase Cantonese for some time in order to make Simplified Chinese the main language. Another unfortunate aspect is that we wouldn't even be able to obtain any Cantonese Traditional Chinese romanizations on Nookipedia without the help of a Cantonese-speaking person, because Google Translate spits out identical romanizations for Simplified and Traditional Chinese anyways. So we have a major problem where the Hong Kong flag would be misleading if we were to copy-paste the Simplified Chinese romanizations to be the same as the Traditional Chinese romanizations, but if we were to decide to stick with Hong Kong/Cantonese, we probably will never have any Traditional Chinese romanizations ever, unless a Cantonese person decides to join and contribute for every page (and my Chinese friend does not know Cantonese). [[User:HylianAngel|HylianAngel]] ([[User talk:HylianAngel|talk]]) 16:13, February 17, 2023 (EST)
  
First off, I know for sure Villager got their name from stuff like ''Mario Kart 8'' and both versions of ''Smash 4'', which do have Portuguese localizations.
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:I may not know much about Cantonese at the moment, but I've been thinking about it considering that it has several romanizations that could be used here. I'm pretty sure Bulbapedia used Yale romanization for Cantonese, but on the other hand, there's also Jyutping romanization. If we can get some pointers on which of these romanizations should be used here, it would be a good start. Not to mention, the example of Marina earlier on seems to be using Yale's. <span style="background:linear-gradient(0deg,blue,cyan); -webkit-background-clip:text !important; -webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;">'''''[[User:Starry Windy|Starry Windy]]'''''</span>[[User talk:Starry Windy|<span style="color:gold">★</span>]] 23:05, November 29, 2023 (EST)
  
Second, there are only two ''Animal Crossing'' spin-offs that have both a Portuguese translation and every character from a mainline installment available: ''Plaza'' and ''amiibo Festival'', with both have the entirety of ''New Leaf''{{'}}s  roster (albeit only the vanilla version), with the latter game also having Lottie.
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== Villager Quotes ==
  
Additionally, ''Smash 4'' features ''Animal Crossing'' characters that are not in either of the aforementioned games, those being Wisp, Serena, and Frillard (no idea if the Snow Family appears in ''amiibo Festival'', though ).  
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Hi! I am new to being an editor, but recently I noticed Nookipedia doesn't do individual quotes for villagers, something the Animal Crossing Wiki does do. I've been adding quotes for a few villagers, but not too many. I wanted to garner some support before I continue to do more. I know most quotes are similar within personality, but there are some, like picture quotes, that are individual to certain villagers. I think this could be really cool to do for every villager, because the rest of the villager page isn't very personalized at all. Plus, sometimes, people only need the page to look for the picture quote, and putting it at the top of the page could be useful. I think it would be fun for the editors, and readers, to mix it up a little. So, community, do you have an opinion? Should I keep going? [[User:Omigpine11|Omigpine11]] ([[User talk:Omigpine11|talk]]) 17:59, March 11, 2023 (EST)Omigpine11
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:Although photo quotes are "unique dialogue" involving the villager, I feel it is not needed to include it at the top of the page, since this info is available within the infobox ("favorite saying"), which is very close to the top of the page already. If a reader only needs the photo quote, they already have easy access. These quotes are also located on the [[Photo]] page. I personally {{Oppose}} adding photo quotes to the top of villager pages. However, I {{Support}} adding quotes on villager pages in cases where it is in-game dialogue completely exclusive to the villager. These cases are rare, but some cases do occur in New Horizons involving very specific species-personality combos (where there is only 1 villager who is that species-personality, like Wendy the peppy sheep, on Year of the Sheep). While it's not really from the game, I agree with the [[Alfonso]] quote you added from the official NH website, since it is indeed completely unique. [[User:HylianAngel|HylianAngel]] ([[User talk:HylianAngel|talk]]) 18:25, March 11, 2023 (EST)
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::Actually HylianAngel, the top quote on Alfonso's page ''is'' a quote lazy villagers say in ''New Horizons'', just that "This place" is replaced with whatever you named your island. Just a warning that the source I am about to provide does contain some very crude language, but it's the only proof I was able to find of the quote being used in-game, so please bear with me on this one (quote is on the 4th pic): https://imgflip.com/i/43nbpn
  
From this, we can deduce that every villager and special characters available in vanilla ''New Leaf'', in addition to the ones only in ''Smash 4'', have official Portuguese names. However, going by Isabelle and Harvey's pages, it appears they're all likely just the same as their English ones, so it makes me wonder if there's even a point in listing them (then again, we do have all of the Dutch names listed, but Dutch has at least been used in one mainline installment (''New Horizons''), not to mention Dom does have a Dutch-exclusive name, that being Donny).
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::That being said, I don't really mind it being Alfonso's top quote since the website does make that association. [[File:Snapping Turtle NH Icon.png|25px]]'''The [[User:The Jacketed Terrapin|<span style="color: blue;">Jacketed</span>]] [[User talk:The Jacketed Terrapin|<span style="color: green;">Terrapin</span>]]'''[[File:Soft-Shelled Turtle NH Icon.png|25px]] 18:31, March 11, 2023 (EST)
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:::Thanks, I should have worded it more clearly that it's a unique association. I did remember the dialogue from playing NH, so saying "completely unique" was not entirely correct when I was trying to convey my reasoning. [[User:HylianAngel|HylianAngel]] ([[User talk:HylianAngel|talk]]) 18:34, March 11, 2023 (EST)
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:I wanted to mention that I went ahead and added the unique dialogue involving New Year's Day for unique species-personality combos to the "Trivia" sections of the involved pages, but only for bulls/cows (2021), tigers (2022), and rabbits (2023). So this would be [[Coach]], [[Norma]], [[Patty]], [[Rolf]], [[Claudia]], [[Gaston]], [[Coco]], and [[Mira]].
  
Speaking of Harvey, where did his Portuguese name even come from? None of the games he appears in have Portuguese localizations, so I can only assume it has to have come from non-gaming material.
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:I didn't add the dialogue for future years yet, which would be horses (2026), sheep (2027), monkeys (2028), birds (2029), dogs (2030), pigs (2031), and mice (2032). Actually, from reading the dialogue files, it's unclear if Year of the Rooster (2029) will apply to all bird-related species (birds, ducks, eagles, ostriches, penguins, and chickens), a subset of these bird species, or just chickens themselves. The dialogue specifically says "Year of the Bird," or "Year of the Rooster," depending on the personality type of the speaking villager, but mostly these dialogues state "Year of the Bird." Unless someone time travels to 2029 and checks each species, or unless a dataminer could examine the code, it probably won't be known. Anyways, I felt it would make sense to just add the dialogue for 2021-2023 and not the future years yet. However, I wouldn't be against adding the future years either. [[User:HylianAngel|HylianAngel]] ([[User talk:HylianAngel|talk]]) 07:14, March 12, 2023 (EDT)
  
Finally, although the 3DS and Wii U supposedly support Brazilian Portuguese, according to Mario Wiki, the crossover games I mentioned above (''MK8'' and ''Smash 4'') only support the European variant. I can't confirm if this is also the case with both Wii U ''Animal Crossing'' games, but regardless, I question why the langtables use the Brazilian flag for Portuguese rather than the flag of Portugal (especially since both French and Spanish use the flags from their countries of origin and only use the Quebec and Mexican flags when there are regional differences between both of them).
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== Villager catchphrases ==
  
Overall, the main question of this entire discussion is whether we should list all of the characters' (and perhaps some other stuff, too) Portuguese names and if so, whether we should use the Portuguese flag or the Brazilian flag when referring to the language in the langtables, because I find it rather odd that only 4 characters on this entire Wiki have Portuguese names listed on their pages. [[File:Snapping Turtle NH Icon.png|25px]]'''The [[User:The Jacketed Terrapin|<span style="color: blue;">Jacketed</span>]] [[User talk:The Jacketed Terrapin|<span style="color: green;">Terrapin</span>]]'''[[File:Soft-Shelled Turtle NH Icon.png|25px]] 16:51, August 13, 2022 (EDT)
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I strongly believe that villager pages should have a dedicated section to their catchphrases in each language, in the same style as their given name in the "Names in other languages" section. Currently there is not a good place to describe the meaning of a villager's foreign catchphrases, so there are cases where the Japanese catchphrase holds some relevance to the character, but since there is no decent section to place it, it is instead placed at the top of the page, where it sits next to any relevant English given name and English catchphrase origin information. That location is somewhat awkward, since it's inconsistent to have the English given name, the English catchphrase, no Japanese given name (since Japanese name info is generally placed in the "Names in other languages" section), and then the Japanese catchphrase.
:Okay, so thanks to Chubby Bub on Discord, we have been able to determine that only ''amiibo Festival'' has had a Portuguese translation and it appears only the PAL version has it, likely meaning no ''Animal Crossing'' was ever translated in Brazilian Portuguese.
 
:Additionally, we have discovered that three villagers do not use their English names, but rather their German ones instead. They are:
 
:*Tutu, who is named "Mandy".
 
:*Coco, whose name is spelt "Koko".
 
:*Frita, who is named "Martina".
 
:*And as a bonus: Spork is named "Crackle" like how he is called in PAL English, Timmy & Tommy are formatted as "Timmy e Tommy", and Boy and Girl are "Rapaz" and "Rapariga" respectively.
 
:Outside of all those, everyone has their English name retained. So now the question is: Do we replace the Brazilian flag with the Portuguese one since we now know only the European variant has been used in an ''Animal Crossing'' game? [[File:Snapping Turtle NH Icon.png|25px]]'''The [[User:The Jacketed Terrapin|<span style="color: blue;">Jacketed</span>]] [[User talk:The Jacketed Terrapin|<span style="color: green;">Terrapin</span>]]'''[[File:Soft-Shelled Turtle NH Icon.png|25px]] 05:44, September 12, 2022 (EDT)
 
::I {{Support}} splitting up Brazilian and European Portuguese in the {{t|Foreignname}} template, like we already do with Spanish and French. '''~'''&nbsp;[[User:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#1C662A">'''AlexBot2004'''</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:black">Talk</span>]]) 20:33, November 18, 2022 (EST)
 
  
== Successful proposal to (re)separate ''Doubutsu no Mori+'' and ''Dòngwù Sēnlín'' ==
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If there was a dedicated section for catchphrases in other languages, it would not only allow describing any Japanese catchphrase relevance, but also the relevance of catchphrases of every other language as well, and there is currently no location to place non-English or non-Japanese catchphrase relevancy information. Basic "names in other languages" and "catchphrases in other languages" data exists in the infobox, and yet only the "names in other languages" is duplicated at the bottom of the page. I believe both should be at the bottom of the page.
  
As this will impact a number of articles, I wanted to give a heads up here that [[User:Chubby Bub|Chubby Bub]]'s proposal to (re)separate ''Doubutsu no Mori+'' and ''Dòngwù Sēnlín'' content has been successful. The proposal can be viewed [[Nookipedia:Proposals/Archive#.28Re.29separate_Doubutsu_no_Mori.2B_and_D.C3.B2ngw.C3.B9_S.C4.93nl.C3.ADn|here]] in the proposal archive. For any interested editors, please coordinate with Chubby and others to update our coverage of these games. Cheers, '''~[[User:SuperHamster|''<span style="color:#07517C;">Super</span>''<span style="color:#6FA23B;">Hamster</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]] [[Special:Contribs/SuperHamster|Contribs]]</small> 01:19, August 18, 2022 (EDT)
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While the main article header would be "Names in other languages," there are 2 different formatting styles that could be implemented:
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*The sub-headers are the words "Given name" and "Catchphrase."
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**Optionally and additionally, in combination with this style so that the name and catchphrase are extremely explicit, a parameter for the English name can be included, like how Fire Emblem Wiki does it ([[fireemblem:Marth#Etymology and other languages|example here]]). While it might be currently redundant with the English information included in the intro prose, I think it's fine for there to be redundant information, as many villager pages already do repeat redundant information (like the infobox repeating the foreign names information), and it can serve a very useful utility purpose if intros are ever repurposed to no longer include English name/catchphrase origins. Plus, it would allow for future "favorite sayings" English explanations, which no intros do unless it's related to the character's identity/species somehow, but I feel this would be good information to include no matter what.
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*The sub-headers are the character's actual name and catchphrase, like for example [[Sherb]], the sub-headers would be "Sherb" and "bawwww."
  
==Question about uploading==
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I'm also open to other suggestions for the formatting style. I'm slightly partial to the first style, just because there might be a case where "favorite sayings" are also given their own dedicated section in the future, and the full saying might be weird as a header. What formatting do you think would be best? [[User:HylianAngel|HylianAngel]] ([[User talk:HylianAngel|talk]]) 14:50, April 4, 2023 (EDT), edited again on 16:11, April 22, 2023 (EDT)
How do I source images from Google Search? [[User:Kooper64|<span style="color:Blue">K</span>]]<span style="color:Orange">o</span><span style="color:Orange">o</span><span style="color:Red">p</span><span style="color:Blue">e</span><span style="color:Red">r</span>[[File:Nintendo 64 Logo.png|12px]] 23:53, August 25, 2022 (EDT)
 
  
:I think you click on "Copy image address" and paste it in the source thing but I'm not sure. [[User:DuckyBlox|DuckyBlox]] ([[User talk:DuckyBlox|talk]]) 14:27, September 28, 2022 (EDT)
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== I caught the spirit!! ==
  
:Google Search will always list the original source underneath the image, so just click that link to double-check that the image still exists on that website then copy-paste that website link. [[User:HylianAngel|HylianAngel]] ([[User talk:HylianAngel|talk]]) 14:34, September 28, 2022 (EDT)
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I caught farley!! ~[[File:SylveonSig.png|link=User:Sylveon|120px]] 08:51, April 11, 2023 (EDT)
  
== Add "real-life information" section for item pages ==
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==Trig Jegman's File Template==
{{Archive top|result=There's an consensus to add real-life information info to item pages. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 22:27, October 12, 2022 (EDT)}}
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As I am sure you have seen, I've been working on the creation and generation of [[Module:Sandbox/Trig Jegman/File|my file module]] for Nookipedia. The time is now to suggest that it is used instead of the existing [[Template:File Info]].
Something that I feel like certain item pages (such as {{I|New Year's Noodles|NH}}, {{I|Osechi|NH}}, and {{I|Bean-Tossing Kit|NH}}) could have is a real-life information section regarding the origins of the item in real-life. It would help readers to know the item better, especially for the {{DnM}}/{{DnM+}}/{{DnMe+}} exclusive items.
 
  
What do you think? -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 05:13, August 26, 2022 (EDT)
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First, to be explicitly clear, this module would work the same as a template to the degree that I have made sure everything will retroactively work on it. '''Nothing would break by the implementation of the module.'''
  
:{{Support}} Yeah, I had to google some of these things when I first read about them, so I think this is a great idea! [[User:Toadalind|💜Toadalind💜]] ([[User talk:Toadalind|talk]]) 16:19, August 27, 2022 (EDT)
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Second: My module is a lot beefier than the existing template is now. Here's the main takeaways:
:{{Support}} Sounds good. Many readers will be unfamiliar with certain Japanese items. [[User:Drago|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:green">Drago</span>]] [[User talk:Drago|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:purple">(talk)</span>]]    [[File:Drago PC Villager Icon.png|20px]] 11:26, September 2, 2022 (EDT)
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*Combined licensing. No more need for having 33 different licensing templates, when the module will take care of all of them collectively.
:{{Support}} Per everyone. --[[User:Dr. Peach|Dr. Peach]] ([[User talk:Dr. Peach|talk]]) 20:06, September 4, 2022 (EDT)
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*More maintenance parameters and a closer analysis of sourcing. There are several maintenance features included, such as files taken from FANDOM sources or YouTube.
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*Predesignated sources for when the user captures an image themself.
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*Automatic categorization. This is the big one: Through the introduction of two new parameters (game and type), files will now automatically be categorized into their appropriate categories, making widescale changes easier and formatting more consistent.
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*This is an excellent opportunity to look at all of the files on site and reduce duplicates, fix naming, improve quality, and get specific sources amongst other tasks.
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I wouldn't propose this if I didn't have great success in implementing this before. I have completely added this style of template to '''every single file''' on WiKirby, Wars Wiki, Inkipedia, MiiWiki, The Cycle: Frontier, as well as partial completion on Mystery Dungeon Francise Wiki, FamiWiki, and StrategyWiki. I've done it before and I'm more than happy to do it again to get this implemented. I really think that having this upgrade is a valuable resource and helps create consistency both on this site and in conjunction with other wikis as well. [[User_talk:Trig_Jegman/Sandbox|I have a few examples of use cases here]] to understand what it might look like. The new parameters are the following:
  
== Terminology change for "Nook Miles Redemption" ==
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*Game — Allows an automatic link to a game, and can work to add automatic categories.
{{Archive top|result=Consensus agrees to change the terminology from "Nook Miles Redemption" in regards to {{NH|short}} sources. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 12:39, November 24, 2022 (EST)}}
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*Type/Meta — These two pull from a determined list of common types (such as Artwork, Screenshots, Amiibo, or User Files) in order to automatically categorize files. The difference between type and meta is that type will categorize based off the game entry (New Leaf sprites), meta will only do off the type (Sprites).
"<span style="font-size:.9em;">[[File:Nook Miles NH Icon Cropped.png|22px|link=|alt=]]&nbsp;[[Nook Stop#Items redeemable with Nook Miles|Nook Miles Redemption]]</span>" as an availability source is somewhat vague as to where it can be obtain. I was thinking that perhaps it could be changed to "<span style="font-size:.9em;">[[File:Nook Miles NH Icon Cropped.png|22px|link=|alt=]]&nbsp;[[Nook Stop]]<small> (from the "Redeem Nook Miles" section)</small></span>" for each and every item page currently with "Nook Miles Redemption" and deprecated said source being used. The latter is more accurate as to how the items are obtained. Another idea is to change it to "Nook Mileage Program", but I'm leaning towards "Nook Stop" since that is where the item is purchasable from. Thoughts? -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 10:12, September 9, 2022 (EDT)
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*User — Used for user files or when attributing the source to someone else.
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*Author — At the suggestion/request of [[User:SuperHamster|Shams]], useful for creative commons files.
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*License — All those licensing templates are here now
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*Fandom/Youtube — By setting these to yes, it places files taken from these less than desirable locations into a maintenance category for replacement.  
  
:{{Support}} Makes sense since it simplifies due to it being a more generic term that can apply to anything. --[[User:Dr. Peach|Dr. Peach]] ([[User talk:Dr. Peach|talk]]) 19:07, September 9, 2022 (EDT)
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I'm happy to make more examples, or give breakdowns of how I would go about fixing these, or answer any questions about it. Please let me know how you feel about implementing it on Nookipedia as well! [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 13:22, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
:{{support}} yeah, it’ll be simpler. [[User:Toadalind|💜Toadalind💜]] ([[User talk:Toadalind|talk]]) 09:13, September 10, 2022 (EDT)
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:{{Support}} - Everything here looks great! The combined licensing and automatic categorization are especially welcome additions; I can't think of anything at the moment that I'd add or change. '''~'''&nbsp;[[User:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#1C662A">'''AlexBot2004'''</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:black">Talk</span>]]) 01:08, July 6, 2023 (EDT)
:I {{Support}} changing it to "<span style="font-size:.9em;">[[File:Nook Miles NH Icon Cropped.png|22px|link=|alt=]]&nbsp;[[Nook Stop]]<small> (from the "Redeem Nook Miles" section)</small></span>", as it makes it clearer where you actually buy the item. '''~'''&nbsp;[[User:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#1C662A">'''AlexBot2004'''</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:black">Talk</span>]]) 20:33, November 18, 2022 (EST)
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:{{Support}} I think this could work. I do believe though that if we agree on this more, we should set up a proposal to implement. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 16:41, September 5, 2023 (EDT)
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== Add villager rarities for NH ==
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== New Horizons villager box item capitalization ==
  
Each villager's rarity is determined by their species and personality (the former being for mystery island tours and the latter being for campsite visits). I think we should add villager rarities for NH because NH is the only main series game where villagers can be more common than others. It could also inform people if it's better to invite this villager through mystery island tours or campsite visits (excluding amiibo and other players islands obviously). If mystery island and boat tour chances are there, I think villager rarities can be there too. What do you guys think? [[User:Kooper64|<span style="color:Blue">K</span>]]<span style="color:Orange">o</span><span style="color:Orange">o</span><span style="color:Red">p</span><span style="color:Blue">e</span><span style="color:Red">r</span>[[File:Nintendo 64 Logo.png|12px]] 17:01, October 10, 2022 (EDT)
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{{U|PanchamBro}}'s bot fixed the capitalization of {{NH|short|nolink}} items on almost all villager pages, but since [[Jacob|Jacob/Jakey]] and [[Spork|Spork/Crackle]] have 2 different names, I think the bot skipped over those two. Making a note here that it needs to eventually be fixed, don't have time to fix it myself at the moment. [[User:HylianAngel|HylianAngel]] ([[User talk:HylianAngel|talk]]) 15:51, July 29, 2023 (EDT)
:Isn't the information on rarity already on [[Mystery Island Tour]] or [[Campsite (facility)|Campsite]]? Or are you suggesting that we put rarity values for each villager on their page? -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 17:29, October 10, 2022 (EDT)
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:This should be fixed now! -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 01:05, August 2, 2023 (EDT)
::I was suggesting on putting the rarity values [[User:Kooper64|<span style="color:Blue">K</span>]]<span style="color:Orange">o</span><span style="color:Orange">o</span><span style="color:Red">p</span><span style="color:Blue">e</span><span style="color:Red">r</span>[[File:Nintendo 64 Logo.png|12px]] 17:34, October 10, 2022 (EDT)
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::Thank you! [[User:HylianAngel|HylianAngel]] ([[User talk:HylianAngel|talk]]) 20:51, August 4, 2023 (EDT)
:::For each villager's page? -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 18:15, October 10, 2022 (EDT)
 
::::Pretty much. [[User:Kooper64|<span style="color:Blue">K</span>]]<span style="color:Orange">o</span><span style="color:Orange">o</span><span style="color:Red">p</span><span style="color:Blue">e</span><span style="color:Red">r</span>[[File:Nintendo 64 Logo.png|12px]] 18:24, October 10, 2022 (EDT)
 
:::::I don't necessary agree. I'd argue that those type of information belong to the respective pages I've mentioned above. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 00:02, October 11, 2022 (EDT)
 
::::::While it could go to those respective pages, I meant adding rarities for every villager (excluding sanrio). So I guess it could go either way. [[User:Kooper64|<span style="color:Blue">K</span>]]<span style="color:Orange">o</span><span style="color:Orange">o</span><span style="color:Red">p</span><span style="color:Blue">e</span><span style="color:Red">r</span>[[File:Nintendo 64 Logo.png|12px]] 00:31, October 11, 2022 (EDT)
 
:I'm unclear what data could be added involving campsites for villagers. While it's true the personality determines it, the increased chances of the camper are based on which personalities you don't have living in your town, which will be different per player. Excluding that, the save file records villagers you've had in your town/campsite before, and if they've "lived" there before, they do not have a chance of spawning in your campsite (until you've seen everyone). So for campsite, although personality helps determine it, there's not really a concrete or unique % you can add to, say, a cranky villager's page that would be different from a jock villager's page. It would be better to detail this information on the Campsite page, where it can be explained more comprehensively.
 
:For Mystery Island Tours, the percentage can vary greatly depending on who lives on your island. You can greatly increase the chances of the appearances of other species by having all 3 octopi or all 7 rhinos living on your island. Even without eliminating a species, villagers who already live on your island will alter all related species percentages (like if you had 1 cat, 1 dog, 1 monkey, 3 pigs, etc. the ranges for everything changes). So this would make it difficult to add a % to NH boxes, it would be a pretty big range that might not be very helpful. It would also be better to detail this information on the Mystery Island Tour page where it can be explained more comprehensively.
 
:Additionally, the NH villager boxes detail "unique" aspects that are different from other villagers of the same species and personality; for example, the Petal Parasol was chosen for Azalea because of her unique flower theme, it was not applied to all rhinos or all snooties. Other villagers may have the Petal Parasol, but it was not uniformly applied to all of them due to their species or personality. Mystery Island Tour percentages are uniformly applied to all characters of a species, making virtually no difference between Azalea, Tank, Merengue, etc., it's a species aspect and not a unique villager aspect. [[User:HylianAngel|HylianAngel]] ([[User talk:HylianAngel|talk]]) 02:16, October 11, 2022 (EDT)
 
  
== Common name situation ==
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==wanna join my club???==
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it is called bob fan club {{Unsigned|FroggyPotter}}
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:Sure. Thanks, --[[User:SunsetBay|<span style="font-family:Inconsolata;color:#CB6AE7">SunsetBay</span>]] ([[User talk:SunsetBay|<span style="font-family:Inconsolata;color:#E283ED">Talk</span>]]) [[File:Margie NL Villager Icon.png|25px]] 05:31, September 5, 2023 (EDT)
  
There was a lot of discussions earlier about renaming [[Zipper T. Bunny]] to [[Zipper]] [[Talk:Zipper_T._Bunny#Renamed_to_just_.22Zipper.22|here]] but the gist here is that as it stands our Manuel of Style does not currently have a criteria for what page title to use for a special character. {{u|HylianAngel}} suggested 4 different naming system in that discussion, so to recap:
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==Help with Cargo Tables==
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Are there any resources to help figure out how they work? If not can some please explain them to me? [[User:TheMajesticPineapple|TheMajesticPineapple]] ([[User talk:TheMajesticPineapple|talk]]) 22:56, August 24, 2023 (EDT)
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:Here are a couple of resources:
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:* https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cargo (also check out the [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cargo/Storing_data Storing data] and [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cargo/Querying_data Querying data] subpages)
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:* https://help.fandom.com/wiki/Extension:Cargo
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:* https://support.wiki.gg/wiki/Cargo
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:My personal understanding of it is that the gist of it is that you'll have a template for a type of page with a bunch of input fields. In the template you say that inputs in those fields get stored in a big behind-the-scenes table. You can then create a cargo query table to list specific stuff from that big table on any page you want. For better understanding the template side of things it helps to look at templates that use cargo, and for cargo query tables it helps to look at and compare different pages that use different cargo queries. Hope this helps a bit! [[User:Bassieeee|Bassieeee]] ([[User talk:Bassieeee|talk]]) 07:19, August 25, 2023 (EDT)
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::Thank you so much, I couldn't find anything on them anywhere.
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::[[User:TheMajesticPineapple|TheMajesticPineapple]] ([[User talk:TheMajesticPineapple|talk]]) 09:30, August 25, 2023 (EDT)
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:[[Nookipedia:Project Database]] has some good  information on cargo tables, and we have a channel for discussing cargo tables on our Discord server. --[[User:BladeofEvilsBane|BladeofEvilsBane]] ([[User talk:BladeofEvilsBane|talk]]) 19:00, August 26, 2023 (EDT)
  
* Naming system #1 suggests to use the datamined nameplates from the special characters as the title of their page (e.g. K.K. Slider -> K.K.).
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== Ideas. ==
* Naming system #2 suggests to use the full name of the special characters as the title of their page (e.g. Mabel -> Mabel Able).
 
* Naming system #3 suggests to use the name that the special character first introduces themselves, so the two outliers would be "[[Don Resetti]]" to "Don" and "Zipper T. Bunny" to "Zipper".
 
* Naming system #4 suggests to use the common name as per Wikipedia's {{wp|WP:COMMONNAME}} policy. It will require more thorough research with each names, but HylianAngel does mention some examples in the talk page discussion as I pointed out before.
 
  
Would like to hear some thoughts about this. As it stands, it's an inconsistent structure for some special characters to use their full names, and some to not use their full names. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 17:00, October 13, 2022 (EDT)
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1. Project Trivia. A project focused on trivia. I would be happy to lead this project.
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2. An Animal Crossing Debate Club.
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Thanks, --[[User:SunsetBay|<span style="font-family:Inconsolata;color:#CB6AE7">SunsetBay</span>]] ([[User talk:SunsetBay|<span style="font-family:Inconsolata;color:#E283ED">Talk</span>]]) [[File:Margie NL Villager Icon.png|25px]] 14:29, September 5, 2023 (EDT)
  
:To me, the fourth option is the obvious way to go. None of the first three options are appropriate if applied all characters. The current way is basically the fourth because it's the most intuitive for an encyclopedia to use, and it's not an "inconsistent structure" because the system is to use the name that best identifies the article to the reader without prior knowledge of the character. Imagine saying "do you know ''X''? They're a character from ''Animal Crossing''." These are the names used to refer to the character as a whole, telling you who they are, not just their name. And let me use this to demonstrate why the other three options are wrong for certain characters, even while they do work fine for others:
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:Going to lean with the former not being necessary. Trivia as a whole is not an inherent ''requirement'' for pages to have, and in many instances (broadly across all wikis, not exclusively here), people get really obsessed with adding trivia points that would much better be served in main article sections like descriptions or are so vague or stretches that they aren't inherently useful—I'd be concerned a project like that would encourage something like that. If the project was to perhaps update and consolidate or re-integrate trivia, I would be more on board.
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:The idea of a debate club is cool, but it's not really what a wiki is for. Furthermore, the format of a wiki isn't terribly constructive for a rapid-fire debate club style of writing/conversation. I would suggest joining an Animal Crossing discord (or making your own) for something like this.
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:These are just my opinions on the matter, hope it helps. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 02:28, September 28, 2023 (EDT)
  
:* 1) K.K. Slider is a stage name for which "K.K." is just an abbreviation of anyway. If you're talking about him without assumption of prior knowledge, he's "K.K. Slider". Otherwise, he's familiarly, and when speaking to him, "K.K." It obviously helps no one to call the page "K.K." by itself. Similarly for Don, see my explanation following.
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::OK, Thanks, --[[User:SunsetBay|<span style="font-family:Inconsolata;color:#CB6AE7">SunsetBay</span>]] ([[User talk:SunsetBay|<span style="font-family:Inconsolata;color:#E283ED">Talk</span>]]) [[File:Margie NL Villager Icon.png|25px]] 07:23, October 1, 2023 (EDT)
  
:* 2) Mabel is hardly ever known as "Mabel Able", to everyone she's just Mabel. Calling the page "Mabel Able" would be like calling K.K. Slider's page Totakeke (in English, a name he uses, but only ever once, by himself to introduce himself.) And I don't know if "Sonny Resetti" is actually ever put together in dialogue. He says in {{PG}}, {{WW|short}} and {{CF|short}}: "Name's Resetti. Mr. Resetti." However, the lead's {{Wp|MOS:BOLDTITLE|first reference}} should use the full name, which is currently done.
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== Discussing our proposal system ==
  
:* 3) is much the same as 1), as these characters introduce themselves to be familiar. And that's only in {{NH|short}}, which shouldn't ''necessarily'' take priority— just because "T. Bunny" isn't used in it doesn't mean "Zipper T. Bunny" isn't his name, and it would usually by used by someone to introduce the character. If he had a different name like [[Caroline|Bliss/Caroline]], that'd be a different case. Another example, the title "Don Resetti" is commonly used because it identifies him as [[Mr. Resetti]]'s brother. Further proving my point on the most common name, in {{NL|short}} Resetti himself says "The name's Resetti. Most people call me Mr. Resetti, on account of me bein' a respected member of the community and such."
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I'm starting to think non-Trustees shouldn't make proposals here. While so far we only had FroggyPotter's recent proposal asking for "one staff to be active at all time", I get this feeling that users not acquainted with policy-making will go to the proposal system for something that isn't a change affecting "a large number of pages or users".
  
:For further examples, see {{u|HylianAngel}}'s breakdown on the Zipper talk page (I can call him that here because he's been established). However, her breakdown of #4 is mistaken because the intention of WP:COMMONNAME is the most commonly used (i.e. recognizable) name by people and therefore readers, so this would not be just what appears the most in the game dialogue, though that is a factor. (That's not to say we should use fan names like "[[terraforming]]", which is a great redirect and belongs in the lead, but is never used in-game and a misnomer.)
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What do you think? Should we limit the creation of proposal to only Trustees or not? -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 16:32, September 5, 2023 (EDT)
  
: This was a long response, but in the end I '''strongly''' {{Oppose}} the use of a single type of name being applied to anyone (#1-3), and think we should use the most recognizable, commonly used name ({{Support}} #4)— which, with the possible exception of [[Dr. Shrunk]], whom I have been wondering about for a while, is what is currently in place. [[User:Chubby Bub|Chubby Bub]] ([[User talk:Chubby Bub|talk]]) 03:21, October 14, 2022 (EDT)
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*{{Comment}} I probably wouldn't support going that far; I think everyone should have a chance to submit their ideas as a proposal. We could limit to autoconfirmed, but that wouldn't help much.
:{{Support}} option #4 per Chubby Bub; it makes the most sense to use the name most people refer to the characters by. '''~'''&nbsp;[[User:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#1C662A">'''AlexBot2004'''</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:black">Talk</span>]]) 14:39, October 14, 2022 (EDT)
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:I do, however, think there should be an ability for admins to veto proposals that are clearly unnecessary or relate to how the staff operate, like there is on MarioWiki. FroggyPotter's proposal would fall into the latter category. [[User:Drago|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:green">Drago</span>]] [[User talk:Drago|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:purple">(talk)</span>]]    [[File:Drago PC Villager Icon.png|20px]] 10:46, September 6, 2023 (EDT)
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:*I dig an ability to veto a proposal that is unnecessary or is in regards to staff and all. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 16:32, September 7, 2023 (EDT)
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::*When overhauling Inkipedia's proposal system recently, we introduced a veto that would require three administrators to veto a proposal in a publicly listed third vote in order to shut things down. Not saying this is better or worse than the above listed, just that it is another option. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 02:28, September 28, 2023 (EDT)
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*{{Comment}} Agree with Drago on both points. [[User:Chubby Bub|Chubby Bub]] ([[User talk:Chubby Bub|talk]]) 21:00, September 6, 2023 (EDT)
  
:I also {{Oppose}} a single type of name for special characters and would '''strongly''' {{Support}} using the #4 naming structure to remove any sort of confusion for any users new to the series or just overall unfamiliar with the other names those characters went by. Keeping to their most commonly used name will just just overall make it easier, regardless of the inconsistencies of their format/structuring. <nowiki>~</nowiki>[[User:PoizonMushro0m|<span style="color:#32CD32">'''Poizon'''</span>]][[User talk:PoizonMushro0m|<span style="color:#228B22">'''Mushro0m'''</span>]][[File:PoizonMush Sig.png|link=Special:Contributions/PoizonMushro0m|15px]] 17:39, October 16, 2022 (EDT)
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== Translating the wiki ==
  
== Infoboxes and "names in other languages" ==
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I would like to translate the wiki to Italian. Does anyone know if I have to get permission or if there's a way to add new languages to pages?
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Edit: I see both the Spanish and German version have gone separate ways but I was aiming to just add something to Nookipedia itself.
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[[User:FUGOSHROOM|FUGOSHROOM]] ([[User talk:FUGOSHROOM|talk]]) 15:20, October 14, 2023 (EDT)FUGOSHROOM
  
I don't think infoboxes should contain a "names in other languages" section. Here are the reasons why it doesn't make sense:
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== Delete single-character species pages ==
  
# Many articles, such as villager articles, duplicate this identical information again near the bottom of the page. Having it listed twice is redundant.
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There are currently 18 species pages for species that only contain a single character. All of them are no longer than one or two sentences, usually just describing what the character does or what they look like, which is already covered on that character's own article. Therefore, I propose that these pages be redirected to their respective characters' pages. The following pages would be affected by this:
# Due to the information being listed twice, there are scenarios where the info may be listed in the infobox but not in the dedicated section of the article, and vice versa. This creates syncing errors. ([https://nookipedia.com/w/index.php?title=Shampoodle&oldid=809715 See the most recent version of the Shampoodle page, where some entries are present in the infobox but not in the dedicated section.])
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{{Columns-list|
# Just as villager names having a dedicated "names in other languages" section allows for more detailed information involving interesting name trivia, moving all of the villager catchphrases from the infobox to its own language section at the bottom of the page allows for editors to add more detailed information involving interesting catchphrase trivia. (I'm not as sure about item pages, where identically-named items across several mainline games would need to be monitored to be synced.)
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*[[Axolotl]] ([[Dr. Shrunk]])
# I don't really view tall infoboxes as an issue, but some may view the unnecessarily tall infoboxes as a problem, especially on mobile. Removing the duplicated information from the infobox would help a bit with the tall infobox issue.
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*[[Camel]] ([[Saharah]])
# While we don't need to necessarily follow the practices of other wikis, other wikis typically do not list language info section in the infoboxes, and they just keep this information in the dedicated section.
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*[[Fox]] ([[Redd]])
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*[[Frill-necked lizard]] ([[Frillard]])
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*[[Fur seal]] ([[Phineas]])
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*[[Giraffe]] ([[Gracie]])
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*[[Gray langur]] ([[Niko]])
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*[[Gyroid (species)]] ([[Lloid]])
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*[[Manatee]] ([[Wardell]])
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*[[Panther]] ([[Katrina]])
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*[[Peacock]] ([[Pavé]])
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*[[Pigeon]] ([[Brewster]])
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*[[Reindeer]] ([[Jingle]])
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*[[Skunk]] ([[Kicks]])
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*[[Sloth]] ([[Leif]])
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*[[Tapir]] ([[Luna]])
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*[[Turkey]] ([[Franklin]])
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*[[Walrus]] ([[Wendell]])
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}}
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'''~'''&nbsp;[[User:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#1C662A">'''AlexBot2004'''</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:black">Talk</span>]]) 02:26, December 21, 2023 (EST)
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:{{Comment}} For the most part, I don't have any attachment to the single-special-character species pages, though it would be a loss for the [[fox]], [[gray langur]], [[peacock]], and [[reindeer]] pages specifically, since those happen to have additional information involving related villagers that are depicted to be the same as those species, in appearance only (e.g. [[Audie]] and [[Chief]] on the fox page). Though that's not to say it means we should keep these species pages, because it's not like there's pages for every unique portrayal of an animal villager species (like zebra for [[Savannah]], flamingo for [[Flora]], etc.), just the villagers that coincidentally line up with special character species. Though I felt like it was worth noting for a fuller picture for the vote. [[User:HylianAngel|HylianAngel]] ([[User talk:HylianAngel|talk]]) 03:00, December 21, 2023 (EST)
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:{{Support}} I feel there isn't much point in giving a species a dedicated article if there's only one character of said species, cuz there really isn't much (if anything) the species page can cover that the character's article can't (lest we wanna fill 'em with a bunch of real-world info that has no relevancy to the character/series).<br>I also noticed that the axolotl page has an image of its real-life counterpart, with the only other species page with this distinction being [[raccoon]]. Admittedly I question the necessity of these images (mostly the raccoon dog pic, anyway), but I'll save that for different discussion, I just wanted to bring it up. [[File:Snapping Turtle NH Icon.png|25px]]'''The [[User:The Jacketed Terrapin|<span style="color: blue;">Jacketed</span>]] [[User talk:The Jacketed Terrapin|<span style="color: green;">Terrapin</span>]]'''[[File:Soft-Shelled Turtle NH Icon.png|25px]] 14:00, December 21, 2023 (EST)
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:{{Comment}} I feel that it ''would'' be a good cleanup, but yeah,  as stated above, some pages show some details, like [[Julia]] resembling a [[Peacock]] or [[Deli]] looking like a gray tangur, although they are listed under different species. '''''[[User:Briky|Briky]]'''''[[File:Emotion Greetings NH Icon.png|30px]] 02:44, January 6, 2024 (EST)
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:{{Oppose}} While I get the reasons behind this, I think we shouldn't rule out the possibilities of new characters based on these species in case if future ''Animal Crossing'' games comes around. Case in point: ''New Horizons'' brought several new characters like [[C.J.]], [[Flick]], [[Daisy Mae]] and [[Gullivarrr]], which represents beaver, chameleon, boar and seagull respectively, which prior to ''New Horizons'' also have only one characters. If they didn't get introduced, these species pages might possibly be on jeopardy as well. There's also some trivia but notable mentions like from [[Erik]] and Julia which were easily found in these species pages. For these reasons, I have to disagree with this. <span style="background:linear-gradient(0deg,blue,cyan); -webkit-background-clip:text !important; -webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;">'''''[[User:Starry Windy|Starry Windy]]'''''</span>[[User talk:Starry Windy|<span style="color:gold">★</span>]] 18:47, January 6, 2024 (EST)
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::If more characters in these species are introduced in later games, then we can recreate these pages then. But as it is now, these pages don't offer any information that isn't already on the character's page. I agree that it's worth noting the villagers who resemble some of these species, but that can be noted on that villager's page in the "Appearance" section. '''~'''&nbsp;[[User:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#1C662A">'''AlexBot2004'''</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:black">Talk</span>]]) 18:55, January 6, 2024 (EST)
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:{{Comment}} Could we not merge them all into a single page? --[[File:Shark HHD Icon.png|20px]] [[User:Dorsal Axe|<span style="color:#0B3E57; font-family: Coustard">Dorsal Axe</span>]] <span style="font-family: Coustard"><small>([[User talk:Dorsal Axe|talk]])</small></span> 04:31, February 4, 2024 (EST)
  
Would people be in support of removing the "names in other languages" from infoboxes? The language information will still exist, it just will only be listed once at the bottom of the article, rather than listed twice. This idea would need to be pushed as a proposal, since it will affect a lot of pages. [[User:HylianAngel|HylianAngel]] ([[User talk:HylianAngel|talk]]) 05:11, October 22, 2022 (EDT)
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== Use screenshots instead of artwork on special character pages ==
:I think I would like this concept, but I'm not entirely sure with item pages. I also think it's going to be difficult trying to copy each and every single language parameter into {{t|Foreignname}}, and mass-romanization them is difficult due to lack of good options. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 10:08, October 22, 2022 (EDT)
 
::I would be in favour of a more fleshed out languages section in each article, instead of the current redundancy with the infobox. I'm open to arguments for keeping names in the infobox, but I definitely support removing villager phrases from being displayed there.
 
::I believe (and I may be wrong) that the API currently relies on those names being stored in the infobox. So, perhaps we could at least redesign the languages template to inherit this data from the infobox. This would avoid the need to edit different places separately and keep information in sync. --[[File:Shark HHD Icon.png|20px]] [[User:Dorsal Axe|<span style="color:#0B3E57; font-family: Coustard">Dorsal Axe</span>]] <span style="font-family: Coustard"><small>([[User talk:Dorsal Axe|talk]])</small></span> 11:45, November 25, 2022 (EST)
 
:::I like the concept, but how exactly would we inherit the infobox data straight to Foreignnames? We can't use the Variables extensions at the moment, as it is uncertain where the extension will go come Parasoid. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 12:50, November 25, 2022 (EST)
 
  
== Proposal to not create individual amiibo pages ==
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Right now, on special character pages in the "Appearances" sections for each game, we generally have artwork of that character from that game. However, I think screenshots from that game would be much more useful to readers, both in showing how the character appears/works in each game, and to better illustrate what is being described in the prose. I think artwork doesn't really add much and is better suited for the character's gallery page. '''~'''&nbsp;[[User:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#1C662A">'''AlexBot2004'''</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:black">Talk</span>]]) 16:44, December 25, 2023 (EST)
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:{{Support}} That's the most logical system for portraying the content and how it should consistently be everywhere. I think the only reason why it's not already like that is because of the lack of special character screenshots for each game in the series. [[Blanca]] and [[Katie]] in the older games would be especially difficult. [[User:HylianAngel|HylianAngel]] ([[User talk:HylianAngel|talk]]) 20:38, January 6, 2024 (EST)
  
This may be an odd proposal, but I suggest that we do ''not'' create individual pages for [[amiibo]] cards and figures. While there was no proposal that we should create these pages, the idea was posed in some of the comments on the [[Talk:E-Reader card|successful proposal to create individual e-Reader card pages]]. This proposal set sort of a precedent that since e-cards will get pages, amiibo will too, and they were even part of [[Nookipedia:Proposals/Archive#Namespace for e-Reader and amiibo cards|this proposal]] as if it had already been confirmed that we would create these pages.
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== Cantonese spelling ==
  
The reason I think we shouldn't create amiibo pages is that there simply isn't enough information to warrant individual pages. The in-game functionality of the cards and figures is broad enough that it can be (and is) covered on the [[amiibo]] page. It would be redundant to note this info on individual card pages, and there isn't really anything unique about each individual card that can't be placed in the {{t|A-card}} template on the respective character's page.
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I'm not sure if it's alright to create a new section here because I've covered this on several threads before, but I think it would be a good time to discuss which kind of spelling that will be used on Cantonese romanizations. As described on previous threads, I'm not a Cantonese speaker, but I wanted the Cantonese spellings to be filled. The thing is, Cantonese has several known spellings which makes me not sure which one to put in.
  
This would also clear up the issue we ran into about what to name the namespace the e-Reader card pages will be placed in (see [[Nookipedia:Proposals/Archive#Namespace for e-Reader and amiibo cards|here]]), as we would only be creating e-card pages anyway. '''~'''&nbsp;[[User:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#1C662A">'''AlexBot2004'''</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:black">Talk</span>]]) 13:32, October 24, 2022 (EDT)
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You see, Yale romanization and Jyutping are two of the things that I considered. Yale seems to be used in a certain NIWA sites that I know of, like Bulbapedia, and some of the spellings here are Yale-esque. On other side, Jyutping is considered to be newer, and sites like Wiktionary seems to be fond of using it. I'll give some examples for comparison, but I'm taking cues from a certain pinyin converter, so I'm not 100% sure if it's accurate, but here goes:
: So I'm the person who suggested that we create pages on amiibo cards and figures, and from reading the proposal, while I think there aren't many in-game functions with them, there are many instances that the {{SER}} amiibo are used in other titles like Smash Bros. But I think that belongs on the [[amiibo]] page if anything. For the moment though, I {{Support}} this proposal. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 13:54, October 24, 2022 (EDT)
 
:{{support}} Agreed that there isn't enough content for each individual amiibo to warrant a page, and that it can be sufficiently covered on at [[amiibo]] and individual character pages. '''~[[User:SuperHamster|''<span style="color:#07517C;">Super</span>''<span style="color:#6FA23B;">Hamster</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]] [[Special:Contribs/SuperHamster|Contribs]]</small> 20:40, November 18, 2022 (EST)
 
  
== Move special character quotes to be inside infobox ==
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'''Blathers (傅達)'''<br>
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Yale romanization: fuh daaht<br>
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Jyutping romanization: fu6 daat6
  
After further evaluation and the implementation of {{t|NHSpecialCharacterInfo}}, I was thinking to move the quote present on many character's that are basically their favorite saying (or "quote") from their picture to the main {{t|Infobox Special}} template. And at the same time, replace it with a quote that is directly from the games, perhaps their most notable ones.
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'''Brewster (老闆)'''<br>
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Yale romanization: lóuh báan<br>
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Jyutping romanization: lou5 baan2
  
What do you think? -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 11:09, October 26, 2022 (EDT)
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'''Isabelle (西施惠)'''<br>
:{{Support}} Per the above. [[User:HylianAngel|HylianAngel]] ([[User talk:HylianAngel|talk]]) 16:47, October 26, 2022 (EDT)
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Yale romanization: sāi sī waih<br>
:{{Support}} per the above. '''~'''&nbsp;[[User:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#1C662A">'''AlexBot2004'''</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:black">Talk</span>]]) 20:33, November 18, 2022 (EST)
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Jyutping romanization: sai1 si1 wai6
  
== Adding photo  ==
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Now, I've been thinking three options. Option A is to have Yale romanization being used entirely, or Option B where Jyutping is used in all the pages. There's also Option C where Yale and Jyutping romanization being used side by side, even though I'm not sure if infoboxes would allow two of them. Or is there another way to do it? And what do you guys think? Please respond kindly, thanks. <span style="background:linear-gradient(0deg,blue,cyan); -webkit-background-clip:text !important; -webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;">'''''[[User:Starry Windy|Starry Windy]]'''''</span>[[User talk:Starry Windy|<span style="color:gold">★</span>]] 11:15, January 3, 2024 (EST)
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:I'm down to changing how we do romanizations in general. A thing that bothers me is that there aren't many good sites out there that can get us accurate romanizations for Japanese, Korean, and Chinese (like any of them really). Definitely a goal to be made when Project Languages comes into fruition. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 07:36, January 6, 2024 (EST)
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::Actually, I think Chinese romanizations are pretty much standardized. For Simplified Chinese, we often use [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinyin Hanyu Pinyin] which is widely used in Mainland China and Singapore according to Wikipedia, and is considered the international standard. And I'm pretty sure we've used this one in practically all articles that has it. Other notable romanizations include [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwoyeu_Romatzyh Gwoyeu Romatzyh] which was used back then but rarely so nowadays, and also Wade-Giles and Yale.
  
I’m just wondering if you can put a photo on without a computer? I’m using a tablet right now and I want to put a photo on my account! {{Unsigned|Jamjamcross}}
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::Speaking of Yale, it has two kinds of romanizations, one for Mandarin and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yale_romanization_of_Cantonese one for Cantonese]. The latter apparently is still widely used, it's systematic in how things are spelled, which somehow almost mirrors Hanyu Pinyin in some ways. Apart from Yale, I also think of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyutping Jyutping] as systematic spelling. And I haven't even get started on [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantonese_Pinyin Cantonese Pinyin], which is a real deal as well. Things to note, the reason I'm not sure on how accurate the Cantonese romanizations are is simply because I didn't learn much on Cantonese yet. <span style="background:linear-gradient(0deg,blue,cyan); -webkit-background-clip:text !important; -webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;">'''''[[User:Starry Windy|Starry Windy]]'''''</span>[[User talk:Starry Windy|<span style="color:gold">★</span>]] 08:45, January 6, 2024 (EST)
:Yes, you can upload images from any device by going to [[Special:Upload|this page]]. '''~'''&nbsp;[[User:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#1C662A">'''AlexBot2004'''</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:black">Talk</span>]]) 12:48, October 28, 2022 (EDT)
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:::It's moreso the fact that it's harder to find sites that can auto-romanize them, but I do feel it's important to have someone experienced with that language to handle that romanization. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 08:48, January 6, 2024 (EST)
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::::Well, I do found one site for it. For the examples I gave above, I was taking reference from [https://hongkongvision.com/tool/cc_py_conv_en this site], and I find the spelling for [[Marina]] was a 100% match. It's from this site that I knew Bulbapedia used Yale spelling, too. Still, I also agreed that we need someone experienced on Cantonese, too. <span style="background:linear-gradient(0deg,blue,cyan); -webkit-background-clip:text !important; -webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;">'''''[[User:Starry Windy|Starry Windy]]'''''</span>[[User talk:Starry Windy|<span style="color:gold"></span>]] 08:55, January 6, 2024 (EST)
  
== Determining capitalization for objects ==
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== A new Project? ==
{{Archive top|result=Moot at this point; our capitalization policy [[Nookipedia:Proposals/Archive#Change_item_capitalization_policy_to_match_in-game_capitalization|was revised]] in that our item pages must be capitalized as per what is displayed in-game. Since there is one vote for Option B, it wins by technicality. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 20:14, November 26, 2022 (EST)}}
 
Recently the names on [[Public works project#List of public works projects|Public works project]] were changed to use their in-game lowercase names per [[Nookipedia:Manual of Style]] as public work projects were not items and "should be based on how they are capitalized in-game in their most recent appearance". I do not agree with how it is done here however. The lowercasing of these objects for this particular table is jarring especially in comparison to how most table list goes. I just feel like something is really off by enforcing the usage of their in-game names (which are lowercased) At the same time, their status as non-items means they cannot be subjected to have proper case.
 
  
I suggest we change our capitalization policy for objects. I have three options that we can decide for pages like these.
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Idea: Project Languages! It would be centered around interwiki links and modifying the villagers' articles to make them more... accessible for those who don't speak English, such as links to the [https://animalcrossing.wikidex.net/wiki/Portada Spanish] and [https://animalcrossingwiki.de/ German] Animal Crossing wikis, and... More details in other languages than just the names, such as the photo quotes and catchphrases. You know, make the wiki more open to people who don't speak English. '''''[[User:Briky|Briky]]'''''[[File:Emotion Greetings NH Icon.png|30px]] 16:37, January 6, 2024 (EST)
* '''Option A''': Adopt proper casing for objects. This is fairly straightfoward, names like "pile of pipes" will be converted to "Pile of Pipes".
 
* '''Option B''': Adopt sentence casing for objects in terms of tables, templates, and infoboxes. So for a table, "pile of pipes" will simply become "Pile of pipes", but when it is not used in a table, we can simply use "pile of pipes".
 
* '''Option C''': Enforce in-game names for objects. As such, we stick with "pile of pipes".
 
  
Note though that this will only primarily deal with [[public works project]]s, [[bridge]]s, [[incline]]s, and [[object]]s. Meanwhile, [[Facility|facilities]] are what I feel are actual locations and not really objects for the purposes of this discussion.
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I actually just looked at the [[Nookipedia_talk:The_Roost#Non-English_names_as_redirects.2Fdisambiguation_pages|top post]] here, so maybe we could combine this with that? And I ''also'' saw an idea that comes from 2021 on the [[Nookipedia_talk:Projects|Projects talk page]]: Something called "Project Linguistics". Well, if it's okay for the creator of the original idea, I think I've found the name for this project! '''''[[User:Briky|Briky]]'''''[[File:Emotion Greetings NH Icon.png|30px]] 16:43, January 6, 2024 (EST)
  
My personal choice is '''A''', following by '''B'''. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 16:02, November 14, 2022 (EST)
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==Possible Incorrect Genre for the Wild World Rubber Plant==
:I {{Support}} '''Option B'''; it is the standard to capitalize the first letter of any sentence or name in a table/template/infobox, regardless of whether it would be capitalized in the prose of an article. '''~'''&nbsp;[[User:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#1C662A">'''AlexBot2004'''</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:black">Talk</span>]]) 16:39, November 14, 2022 (EST)
 
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== Sterling the eagle is missing in some articles ==
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Hi there! I've been playing Animal Crossing: Wild World quite a lot lately and had a villager that was into collecting Old-school furniture. The [[Item:Rubber_tree_(Wild_World)|Rubber Plant]] was in Nook's store and is on the old-school list, so I grabbed it. When I gave the villager the rubber plant, he rejected it saying it's not old-school. He refused to take it when I tried again. I'm not sure which genre it's supposed to be corrected to though. (Sorry if I'm doing this the wrong way, I'm new!)
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[[User:MadRayne|MadRayne]] ([[User talk:MadRayne|talk]]) 16:21, January 8, 2024 (EST)
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:It looks like all the items in the [[House Plant Set]] had incorrect genres; they have all been corrected to Chic. All the genres are now taken directly from the game's files, so there shouldn't be any more errors. Thank you for pointing this out! '''~'''&nbsp;[[User:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#1C662A">'''AlexBot2004'''</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:black">Talk</span>]]) 14:45, January 9, 2024 (EST)
  
I have noticed that in some articles such as the list of neighbors or the one about the eagles, [[Sterling]] is not included. The truth is not that it happened --[[Special:Contributions/2806:102E:21:CFCB:6187:AB36:CF7D:D940|2806:102E:21:CFCB:6187:AB36:CF7D:D940]] 23:37, November 19, 2022 (EST)
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== Userbox question ==
:Thanks for pointing it out! A cargo table needed to be refreshed, so Sterling should be back now. [[User:HylianAngel|HylianAngel]] ([[User talk:HylianAngel|talk]]) 08:21, November 20, 2022 (EST)
 
  
== Hong Kong or Taiwan ==
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Hiya im Ceariah im new to the wiki. Just a question how do you make a userbox? [[User:Ceariah|Ceariah]] ([[User talk:Ceariah|talk]]) 06:25, January 21, 2024 (EST)
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:You can go to the [[Userbox]] page to find some userboxes and a guide on how to use them. Have a good day and welcome to Nookipedia! '''''[[User:Briky|Briky]]''''' [[File:Emotion Greetings NH Icon.png|30px|If you know how to make this link to my talk page, please tell me!]] 12:28, January 24, 2024 (EST)
  
Generally speaking, when considering our usage of Chinese character, we usually denote it with the flag of the {{wp|China|People's Republic of China}} for Simplified Chinese, and the flag of {{wp|Hong Kong}} for Traditional Chinese. I'd like to know though, why are we specifying Hong Kong as the representative for Traditional Chinese? Why not the flag of {{wp|Taiwan}}, a country that has more population than Hong Kong and therefore has more users of Traditional Chinese? -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 02:20, November 25, 2022 (EST)
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== i got a black rose by accident ==
  
== Notice regarding the capitalization proposal ==
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woke up today to find a black rose, which surprised me because i don't even have a special red rose (i think), which you get by crossing a purple and an orange. i don't even have a purple rose anywhere in my town, only way i can see this happening is if theres another way to create a special red rose.
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[[File:NL Unintended Black Rose.png|thumb]]
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[[Category:Active discussions]] --[[User:Erick7477719|Erick7477719]] ([[User talk:Erick7477719|talk]]) 10:42, February 28, 2024 (EST)
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:There is a chance that breeding red roses will give you a black rose. At least you got one! [[User:DriftveilBread|DriftveilBread]] ([[User talk:DriftveilBread|talk]]) 12:53, March 21, 2024 (EDT)
  
With five votes in support of the changes in our capitalization policy in [[Nookipedia:Proposals]], the majority of users here support using the in-game names of items throughout the {{SER}}. As we're nearing close to the end of the capitalization policy change proposal though, I'd like each and every one of you to refrain from moving or changing the names of each item except only outside of the Item namespace. (e.g. fixing the item names found in the {{t|I}} template)
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==If I find vandalism, where should I report it?==
  
I plan to automatically move the item pages and rename the items once the policy changes are set in place, and I don't need problems down the road. So far though, I need to troubleshoot some issues with my pywikibot installation before running the process, as I do not want the process to be disrupted by CSRF token issues. I hope everyone can understand. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 22:32, November 25, 2022 (EST)
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Where do I report users? [[User:Acnh Player|Acnh Player]] ([[User talk:Acnh Player|talk]]) 23:55, March 24, 2024 (EDT)
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:[[Nookipedia:Staff noticeboard]] is the best place on-wiki. '''~[[User:SuperHamster|''<span style="color:#07517C;">Super</span>''<span style="color:#6FA23B;">Hamster</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]] [[Special:Contribs/SuperHamster|Contribs]]</small> 00:07, March 25, 2024 (EDT)

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It's a project. And it's about furniture, clothing, interior, and many other items in the series.
Project Museum

Project Museum

Leader: SuperHamster
Project Museum covers fish, insects, sea creatures, paintings, fossils, and constellations. Over 150 articles and counting!
Project Music

Project Music

Leader: Vmario97
Project Music lists and provides a sample of all the music in the Animal Crossing series.
Project Pocket Camp

Project Pocket Camp

Leader: PanchamBro
Project Pocket Camp focuses on keeping the Pocket Camp coverage up-to-date.
Project Villager

Project Villager

Leader: Wanted
Project Villager maintains the article pages of all Animal Crossing residents.
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Example topic[edit]

Post new topics below! Drago (talk) Drago PC Villager Icon.png 11:03, January 1, 2019 (EST)

Non-English names as redirects/disambiguation pages[edit]

So I have been thinking of an idea that could potentially benefit any of our non-English native readers (who may be more familiar with the non-English names of certain villagers/characters), and my idea is to take all of the villager/character names that were never used in English localizations and turn them into redirects. For example, the name "Xavier" is exclusive to the French version of Animal Crossing, being the name used for Pigleg, so if a French reader wants to look for "Xavier" on this Wiki, a redirect might help.

For the names that have been used by multiple characters, those should be disambiguation pages. For instance, the name "Pablo" was used for three different villagers, all in different languages: Chico in German, Claude in Spanish, and Otis in Italian. It should look something like this:

Pablo may refer to three villagers in the Animal Crossing series:
*The German name of Chico, a mouse villager.
*The Spanish name of Claude, a rabbit villager.
*The Italian name of Otis, a bird villager

The only concern I have is if the German-exclusive names should be turned into redirect/disamb pages since we already have an affiliated German Wiki that mainly covers the German localization stuff, but other than that, I don't see any problem with this.

Any objections to this idea? Snapping Turtle NH Icon.pngThe Jacketed TerrapinSoft-Shelled Turtle NH Icon.png 05:40, August 2, 2022 (EDT)

Support Support This sounds like a nice idea. Also although the German wiki exists, German visitors may still visit Nookipedia and search for a villager via the search bar out of curiosity, so it would still be good to have German redirect/disambiguation pages. HylianAngel (talk) 20:47, August 2, 2022 (EDT)
Support Support per the above. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 20:33, November 18, 2022 (EST)
Support Support per discussion. -- PanchamBro (talkcontributions) 18:25, December 24, 2022 (EST)
Support Support per everyone. 💜Toadalind💜 (talk) 16:09, April 12, 2023 (EDT)
Support Support Good idea!BrikyEmotion Greetings NH Icon.png 16:42, January 6, 2024 (EST)

Hong Kong or Taiwan[edit]

Generally speaking, when considering our usage of Chinese character, we usually denote it with the flag of the People's Republic of China for Simplified Chinese, and the flag of Hong Kong for Traditional Chinese. I'd like to know though, why are we specifying Hong Kong as the representative for Traditional Chinese? Why not the flag of Taiwan, a country that has more population than Hong Kong and therefore has more users of Traditional Chinese? -- PanchamBro (talkcontributions) 02:20, November 25, 2022 (EST)

I asked my Chinese friend if it made sense to change the Traditional Chinese flag from the Hong Kong flag to the Taiwanese flag based on population. To rephrase what she stated more gently, she basically said it is very nonsensical to base it on population, and it would be as similarly nonsensical, as say, using California as a basis for the entirety of the United States simply because California has the largest population. She says the flag would also have an impact on the romanization of the Traditional Chinese names, as the dialect in Hong Kong is primarily Cantonese, unlike Taiwan. (More to say on this subject in Nookipedia talk:The Roost#New Project: Project Languages.) HylianAngel (talk) 16:13, February 17, 2023 (EST)

Notice regarding the capitalization proposal[edit]

With five votes in support of the changes in our capitalization policy in Nookipedia:Proposals, the majority of users here support using the in-game names of items throughout the Animal Crossing series. As we're nearing close to the end of the capitalization policy change proposal though, I'd like each and every one of you to refrain from moving or changing the names of each item except only outside of the Item namespace. (e.g. fixing the item names found in the {{I}} template)

I plan to automatically move the item pages and rename the items once the policy changes are set in place, and I don't need problems down the road. So far though, I need to troubleshoot some issues with my pywikibot installation before running the process, as I do not want the process to be disrupted by CSRF token issues. I hope everyone can understand. -- PanchamBro (talkcontributions) 22:32, November 25, 2022 (EST)

HHP Archipelago Name change[edit]

I feel like the Archipelago is not the best of names, as I was confused when I saw the name. The name should be changed to something like: Paradise Planning Archipelago. Sylveon from Pokemon 03:51, December 23, 2022 (EST)

Generally speaking, we follow the in-game names for our articles and such, only marking some as conjectural if no official name is found, or marking which names are translations from Japanese. In the case of archipelago, there are no instances that it is named "Paradise Planning Archipelago", nor should it be named in such a way to distinguish as there are no other archipelagos in the Animal Crossing series. It's a confusing name, yes, but it's more official and present in-game. -- PanchamBro (talkcontributions) 11:53, December 23, 2022 (EST)
What about Harv's Island? He himself says "but isnt it an achipelago? a harvipelago?" Thanks, --SunsetBay (Talk) Margie NL Villager Icon.png 07:25, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

Add internal name and ID regarding item[edit]

There's support to add the internal name/ID of items to the item pages. -- PanchamBro (talkcontributions) 10:44, February 29, 2024 (EST)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Something that has been on my mind lately was adding internal name and ID regarding a particular item. For instance, the tulip table in Animal Crossing has the filename sum_poptable01 and the internal ID 126C. I believe having information on the item pages would be useful for dataminers, modders, and such if they wanted to inspect information regarding a particular item instead of having to waddle through loads of spreadsheet information. -- PanchamBro (talkcontributions) 09:26, January 29, 2023 (EST)

Support Support for the reasons you've given. --BladeofEvilsBane (talk) 10:36, January 29, 2023 (EST)
Support Support ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 14:58, January 29, 2023 (EST)
Support Support BrikyEmotion Greetings NH Icon.png 15:34, January 6, 2024 (EST)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

The animal emoji redirects[edit]

There doesn't seem to be a high demand to save the animals. The animal redirects shall be deleted. HylianAngel (talk) 20:43, February 16, 2023 (EST)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Right now there are some emoji redirects involving the species pages. Currently these redirects exist: 🐂 🐊 🐒 🐕 🐦 🐵 🐶 🐺 🐻 🦍 They are kind of peculiar, and I can't really gauge if these would necessarily be useful. They're so silly that I wouldn't even mind keeping them. I had to do a double-take when I checked Wikipedia, and they actually utilize emoji redirects, so it seems like they potentially serve some sort of usefulness. But either way, we should either:

a. Complete the collection and create more redirects involving the remaining missing animal emojis from the species pages
b. Delete the existing animal emoji redirects.

What do you think? HylianAngel (talk) 02:28, February 6, 2023 (EST)

Very much against the use of animal emoji redirects. I just do not think they are reasonably used or feasibly searched. Trig - 02:07, February 10, 2023 (EST)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

New Project: Project Languages[edit]

I think we should start a project where we fill up the boxes with "unknown" in on templates. --Sylveon (Autistic and proud!)🍉🌺 08:53, February 17, 2023 (EST)

Currently, the major missing romanization on all articles, especially villager articles, is Traditional Chinese, as it was made a separate entry from Simplified Chinese. For Japanese, Korean, and Simplified Chinese (the mainland language of China), you can pretty much use Google Translate to obtain an acceptable romanization of the name. However, Traditional Chinese is a slightly more complicated subject to tackle.
I asked my Chinese friend if this Traditional Chinese romanization of Marina's name was correct, because it was so different from the Simplified Chinese romanization. Zhānglìnà vs. Jēung Laahp Nóh is crazy different, to me as an English-speaking person. But no, she mulled it for a few seconds and said, yep, the Traditional Chinese romanization in this situation is correct. Nookipedia is using the Hong Kong flag, which implies the dialect is Cantonese. I asked her to ignore the flag, and she said you can't do that, the flag matters. I told her that most other wikis, like Bulbapedia and WiKirby don't use flags, and they usually have it simply stated as "Simplified Chinese" and "Traditional Chinese" in written text without flags, and that they tend to make both of those romanizations identical. She said that's the wrong way to approach it, since you're basically erasing an entire dialect from existence by making the romanizations identical. I asked her, would it make sense to make the Traditional and Simplified Chinese romanizations the same if the flag was not there at all, and she said, yes, some dialects of Traditional Chinese would have identical romanization as Simplified Chinese, but that is why the flag is so important in this scenario because the Hong Kong flag implies the Cantonese dialect, and you shouldn't make the romanizations the same if it's the Hong Kong flag.
She also explained that China has been attempting to erase Cantonese for some time in order to make Simplified Chinese the main language. Another unfortunate aspect is that we wouldn't even be able to obtain any Cantonese Traditional Chinese romanizations on Nookipedia without the help of a Cantonese-speaking person, because Google Translate spits out identical romanizations for Simplified and Traditional Chinese anyways. So we have a major problem where the Hong Kong flag would be misleading if we were to copy-paste the Simplified Chinese romanizations to be the same as the Traditional Chinese romanizations, but if we were to decide to stick with Hong Kong/Cantonese, we probably will never have any Traditional Chinese romanizations ever, unless a Cantonese person decides to join and contribute for every page (and my Chinese friend does not know Cantonese). HylianAngel (talk) 16:13, February 17, 2023 (EST)
I may not know much about Cantonese at the moment, but I've been thinking about it considering that it has several romanizations that could be used here. I'm pretty sure Bulbapedia used Yale romanization for Cantonese, but on the other hand, there's also Jyutping romanization. If we can get some pointers on which of these romanizations should be used here, it would be a good start. Not to mention, the example of Marina earlier on seems to be using Yale's. Starry Windy 23:05, November 29, 2023 (EST)

Villager Quotes[edit]

Hi! I am new to being an editor, but recently I noticed Nookipedia doesn't do individual quotes for villagers, something the Animal Crossing Wiki does do. I've been adding quotes for a few villagers, but not too many. I wanted to garner some support before I continue to do more. I know most quotes are similar within personality, but there are some, like picture quotes, that are individual to certain villagers. I think this could be really cool to do for every villager, because the rest of the villager page isn't very personalized at all. Plus, sometimes, people only need the page to look for the picture quote, and putting it at the top of the page could be useful. I think it would be fun for the editors, and readers, to mix it up a little. So, community, do you have an opinion? Should I keep going? Omigpine11 (talk) 17:59, March 11, 2023 (EST)Omigpine11

Although photo quotes are "unique dialogue" involving the villager, I feel it is not needed to include it at the top of the page, since this info is available within the infobox ("favorite saying"), which is very close to the top of the page already. If a reader only needs the photo quote, they already have easy access. These quotes are also located on the Photo page. I personally Oppose Oppose adding photo quotes to the top of villager pages. However, I Support Support adding quotes on villager pages in cases where it is in-game dialogue completely exclusive to the villager. These cases are rare, but some cases do occur in New Horizons involving very specific species-personality combos (where there is only 1 villager who is that species-personality, like Wendy the peppy sheep, on Year of the Sheep). While it's not really from the game, I agree with the Alfonso quote you added from the official NH website, since it is indeed completely unique. HylianAngel (talk) 18:25, March 11, 2023 (EST)
Actually HylianAngel, the top quote on Alfonso's page is a quote lazy villagers say in New Horizons, just that "This place" is replaced with whatever you named your island. Just a warning that the source I am about to provide does contain some very crude language, but it's the only proof I was able to find of the quote being used in-game, so please bear with me on this one (quote is on the 4th pic): https://imgflip.com/i/43nbpn
That being said, I don't really mind it being Alfonso's top quote since the website does make that association. Snapping Turtle NH Icon.pngThe Jacketed TerrapinSoft-Shelled Turtle NH Icon.png 18:31, March 11, 2023 (EST)
Thanks, I should have worded it more clearly that it's a unique association. I did remember the dialogue from playing NH, so saying "completely unique" was not entirely correct when I was trying to convey my reasoning. HylianAngel (talk) 18:34, March 11, 2023 (EST)
I wanted to mention that I went ahead and added the unique dialogue involving New Year's Day for unique species-personality combos to the "Trivia" sections of the involved pages, but only for bulls/cows (2021), tigers (2022), and rabbits (2023). So this would be Coach, Norma, Patty, Rolf, Claudia, Gaston, Coco, and Mira.
I didn't add the dialogue for future years yet, which would be horses (2026), sheep (2027), monkeys (2028), birds (2029), dogs (2030), pigs (2031), and mice (2032). Actually, from reading the dialogue files, it's unclear if Year of the Rooster (2029) will apply to all bird-related species (birds, ducks, eagles, ostriches, penguins, and chickens), a subset of these bird species, or just chickens themselves. The dialogue specifically says "Year of the Bird," or "Year of the Rooster," depending on the personality type of the speaking villager, but mostly these dialogues state "Year of the Bird." Unless someone time travels to 2029 and checks each species, or unless a dataminer could examine the code, it probably won't be known. Anyways, I felt it would make sense to just add the dialogue for 2021-2023 and not the future years yet. However, I wouldn't be against adding the future years either. HylianAngel (talk) 07:14, March 12, 2023 (EDT)

Villager catchphrases[edit]

I strongly believe that villager pages should have a dedicated section to their catchphrases in each language, in the same style as their given name in the "Names in other languages" section. Currently there is not a good place to describe the meaning of a villager's foreign catchphrases, so there are cases where the Japanese catchphrase holds some relevance to the character, but since there is no decent section to place it, it is instead placed at the top of the page, where it sits next to any relevant English given name and English catchphrase origin information. That location is somewhat awkward, since it's inconsistent to have the English given name, the English catchphrase, no Japanese given name (since Japanese name info is generally placed in the "Names in other languages" section), and then the Japanese catchphrase.

If there was a dedicated section for catchphrases in other languages, it would not only allow describing any Japanese catchphrase relevance, but also the relevance of catchphrases of every other language as well, and there is currently no location to place non-English or non-Japanese catchphrase relevancy information. Basic "names in other languages" and "catchphrases in other languages" data exists in the infobox, and yet only the "names in other languages" is duplicated at the bottom of the page. I believe both should be at the bottom of the page.

While the main article header would be "Names in other languages," there are 2 different formatting styles that could be implemented:

  • The sub-headers are the words "Given name" and "Catchphrase."
    • Optionally and additionally, in combination with this style so that the name and catchphrase are extremely explicit, a parameter for the English name can be included, like how Fire Emblem Wiki does it (example here). While it might be currently redundant with the English information included in the intro prose, I think it's fine for there to be redundant information, as many villager pages already do repeat redundant information (like the infobox repeating the foreign names information), and it can serve a very useful utility purpose if intros are ever repurposed to no longer include English name/catchphrase origins. Plus, it would allow for future "favorite sayings" English explanations, which no intros do unless it's related to the character's identity/species somehow, but I feel this would be good information to include no matter what.
  • The sub-headers are the character's actual name and catchphrase, like for example Sherb, the sub-headers would be "Sherb" and "bawwww."

I'm also open to other suggestions for the formatting style. I'm slightly partial to the first style, just because there might be a case where "favorite sayings" are also given their own dedicated section in the future, and the full saying might be weird as a header. What formatting do you think would be best? HylianAngel (talk) 14:50, April 4, 2023 (EDT), edited again on 16:11, April 22, 2023 (EDT)

I caught the spirit!![edit]

I caught farley!! ~SylveonSig.png 08:51, April 11, 2023 (EDT)

Trig Jegman's File Template[edit]

As I am sure you have seen, I've been working on the creation and generation of my file module for Nookipedia. The time is now to suggest that it is used instead of the existing Template:File Info.

First, to be explicitly clear, this module would work the same as a template to the degree that I have made sure everything will retroactively work on it. Nothing would break by the implementation of the module.

Second: My module is a lot beefier than the existing template is now. Here's the main takeaways:

  • Combined licensing. No more need for having 33 different licensing templates, when the module will take care of all of them collectively.
  • More maintenance parameters and a closer analysis of sourcing. There are several maintenance features included, such as files taken from FANDOM sources or YouTube.
  • Predesignated sources for when the user captures an image themself.
  • Automatic categorization. This is the big one: Through the introduction of two new parameters (game and type), files will now automatically be categorized into their appropriate categories, making widescale changes easier and formatting more consistent.
  • This is an excellent opportunity to look at all of the files on site and reduce duplicates, fix naming, improve quality, and get specific sources amongst other tasks.

I wouldn't propose this if I didn't have great success in implementing this before. I have completely added this style of template to every single file on WiKirby, Wars Wiki, Inkipedia, MiiWiki, The Cycle: Frontier, as well as partial completion on Mystery Dungeon Francise Wiki, FamiWiki, and StrategyWiki. I've done it before and I'm more than happy to do it again to get this implemented. I really think that having this upgrade is a valuable resource and helps create consistency both on this site and in conjunction with other wikis as well. I have a few examples of use cases here to understand what it might look like. The new parameters are the following:

  • Game — Allows an automatic link to a game, and can work to add automatic categories.
  • Type/Meta — These two pull from a determined list of common types (such as Artwork, Screenshots, Amiibo, or User Files) in order to automatically categorize files. The difference between type and meta is that type will categorize based off the game entry (New Leaf sprites), meta will only do off the type (Sprites).
  • User — Used for user files or when attributing the source to someone else.
  • Author — At the suggestion/request of Shams, useful for creative commons files.
  • License — All those licensing templates are here now
  • Fandom/Youtube — By setting these to yes, it places files taken from these less than desirable locations into a maintenance category for replacement.

I'm happy to make more examples, or give breakdowns of how I would go about fixing these, or answer any questions about it. Please let me know how you feel about implementing it on Nookipedia as well! Trig - 13:22, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

Support Support - Everything here looks great! The combined licensing and automatic categorization are especially welcome additions; I can't think of anything at the moment that I'd add or change. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 01:08, July 6, 2023 (EDT)
Support Support I think this could work. I do believe though that if we agree on this more, we should set up a proposal to implement. -- PanchamBro (talkcontributions) 16:41, September 5, 2023 (EDT)

New Horizons villager box item capitalization[edit]

PanchamBro's bot fixed the capitalization of New Horizons items on almost all villager pages, but since Jacob/Jakey and Spork/Crackle have 2 different names, I think the bot skipped over those two. Making a note here that it needs to eventually be fixed, don't have time to fix it myself at the moment. HylianAngel (talk) 15:51, July 29, 2023 (EDT)

This should be fixed now! -- PanchamBro (talkcontributions) 01:05, August 2, 2023 (EDT)
Thank you! HylianAngel (talk) 20:51, August 4, 2023 (EDT)

wanna join my club???[edit]

it is called bob fan club - unsigned comment from FroggyPotter (talkcontribs)

Sure. Thanks, --SunsetBay (Talk) Margie NL Villager Icon.png 05:31, September 5, 2023 (EDT)

Help with Cargo Tables[edit]

Are there any resources to help figure out how they work? If not can some please explain them to me? TheMajesticPineapple (talk) 22:56, August 24, 2023 (EDT)

Here are a couple of resources:
My personal understanding of it is that the gist of it is that you'll have a template for a type of page with a bunch of input fields. In the template you say that inputs in those fields get stored in a big behind-the-scenes table. You can then create a cargo query table to list specific stuff from that big table on any page you want. For better understanding the template side of things it helps to look at templates that use cargo, and for cargo query tables it helps to look at and compare different pages that use different cargo queries. Hope this helps a bit! Bassieeee (talk) 07:19, August 25, 2023 (EDT)
Thank you so much, I couldn't find anything on them anywhere.
TheMajesticPineapple (talk) 09:30, August 25, 2023 (EDT)
Nookipedia:Project Database has some good information on cargo tables, and we have a channel for discussing cargo tables on our Discord server. --BladeofEvilsBane (talk) 19:00, August 26, 2023 (EDT)

Ideas.[edit]

1. Project Trivia. A project focused on trivia. I would be happy to lead this project. 2. An Animal Crossing Debate Club. Thanks, --SunsetBay (Talk) Margie NL Villager Icon.png 14:29, September 5, 2023 (EDT)

Going to lean with the former not being necessary. Trivia as a whole is not an inherent requirement for pages to have, and in many instances (broadly across all wikis, not exclusively here), people get really obsessed with adding trivia points that would much better be served in main article sections like descriptions or are so vague or stretches that they aren't inherently useful—I'd be concerned a project like that would encourage something like that. If the project was to perhaps update and consolidate or re-integrate trivia, I would be more on board.
The idea of a debate club is cool, but it's not really what a wiki is for. Furthermore, the format of a wiki isn't terribly constructive for a rapid-fire debate club style of writing/conversation. I would suggest joining an Animal Crossing discord (or making your own) for something like this.
These are just my opinions on the matter, hope it helps. Trig - 02:28, September 28, 2023 (EDT)
OK, Thanks, --SunsetBay (Talk) Margie NL Villager Icon.png 07:23, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

Discussing our proposal system[edit]

I'm starting to think non-Trustees shouldn't make proposals here. While so far we only had FroggyPotter's recent proposal asking for "one staff to be active at all time", I get this feeling that users not acquainted with policy-making will go to the proposal system for something that isn't a change affecting "a large number of pages or users".

What do you think? Should we limit the creation of proposal to only Trustees or not? -- PanchamBro (talkcontributions) 16:32, September 5, 2023 (EDT)

  • Comment Comment I probably wouldn't support going that far; I think everyone should have a chance to submit their ideas as a proposal. We could limit to autoconfirmed, but that wouldn't help much.
I do, however, think there should be an ability for admins to veto proposals that are clearly unnecessary or relate to how the staff operate, like there is on MarioWiki. FroggyPotter's proposal would fall into the latter category. Drago (talk) Drago PC Villager Icon.png 10:46, September 6, 2023 (EDT)
  • I dig an ability to veto a proposal that is unnecessary or is in regards to staff and all. -- PanchamBro (talkcontributions) 16:32, September 7, 2023 (EDT)
  • When overhauling Inkipedia's proposal system recently, we introduced a veto that would require three administrators to veto a proposal in a publicly listed third vote in order to shut things down. Not saying this is better or worse than the above listed, just that it is another option. Trig - 02:28, September 28, 2023 (EDT)
  • Comment Comment Agree with Drago on both points. Chubby Bub (talk) 21:00, September 6, 2023 (EDT)

Translating the wiki[edit]

I would like to translate the wiki to Italian. Does anyone know if I have to get permission or if there's a way to add new languages to pages? Edit: I see both the Spanish and German version have gone separate ways but I was aiming to just add something to Nookipedia itself. FUGOSHROOM (talk) 15:20, October 14, 2023 (EDT)FUGOSHROOM

Delete single-character species pages[edit]

There are currently 18 species pages for species that only contain a single character. All of them are no longer than one or two sentences, usually just describing what the character does or what they look like, which is already covered on that character's own article. Therefore, I propose that these pages be redirected to their respective characters' pages. The following pages would be affected by this:

~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 02:26, December 21, 2023 (EST)

Comment Comment For the most part, I don't have any attachment to the single-special-character species pages, though it would be a loss for the fox, gray langur, peacock, and reindeer pages specifically, since those happen to have additional information involving related villagers that are depicted to be the same as those species, in appearance only (e.g. Audie and Chief on the fox page). Though that's not to say it means we should keep these species pages, because it's not like there's pages for every unique portrayal of an animal villager species (like zebra for Savannah, flamingo for Flora, etc.), just the villagers that coincidentally line up with special character species. Though I felt like it was worth noting for a fuller picture for the vote. HylianAngel (talk) 03:00, December 21, 2023 (EST)
Support Support I feel there isn't much point in giving a species a dedicated article if there's only one character of said species, cuz there really isn't much (if anything) the species page can cover that the character's article can't (lest we wanna fill 'em with a bunch of real-world info that has no relevancy to the character/series).
I also noticed that the axolotl page has an image of its real-life counterpart, with the only other species page with this distinction being raccoon. Admittedly I question the necessity of these images (mostly the raccoon dog pic, anyway), but I'll save that for different discussion, I just wanted to bring it up. Snapping Turtle NH Icon.pngThe Jacketed TerrapinSoft-Shelled Turtle NH Icon.png 14:00, December 21, 2023 (EST)
Comment Comment I feel that it would be a good cleanup, but yeah, as stated above, some pages show some details, like Julia resembling a Peacock or Deli looking like a gray tangur, although they are listed under different species. BrikyEmotion Greetings NH Icon.png 02:44, January 6, 2024 (EST)
Oppose Oppose While I get the reasons behind this, I think we shouldn't rule out the possibilities of new characters based on these species in case if future Animal Crossing games comes around. Case in point: New Horizons brought several new characters like C.J., Flick, Daisy Mae and Gullivarrr, which represents beaver, chameleon, boar and seagull respectively, which prior to New Horizons also have only one characters. If they didn't get introduced, these species pages might possibly be on jeopardy as well. There's also some trivia but notable mentions like from Erik and Julia which were easily found in these species pages. For these reasons, I have to disagree with this. Starry Windy 18:47, January 6, 2024 (EST)
If more characters in these species are introduced in later games, then we can recreate these pages then. But as it is now, these pages don't offer any information that isn't already on the character's page. I agree that it's worth noting the villagers who resemble some of these species, but that can be noted on that villager's page in the "Appearance" section. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 18:55, January 6, 2024 (EST)
Comment Comment Could we not merge them all into a single page? --Shark HHD Icon.png Dorsal Axe (talk) 04:31, February 4, 2024 (EST)

Use screenshots instead of artwork on special character pages[edit]

Right now, on special character pages in the "Appearances" sections for each game, we generally have artwork of that character from that game. However, I think screenshots from that game would be much more useful to readers, both in showing how the character appears/works in each game, and to better illustrate what is being described in the prose. I think artwork doesn't really add much and is better suited for the character's gallery page. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 16:44, December 25, 2023 (EST)

Support Support That's the most logical system for portraying the content and how it should consistently be everywhere. I think the only reason why it's not already like that is because of the lack of special character screenshots for each game in the series. Blanca and Katie in the older games would be especially difficult. HylianAngel (talk) 20:38, January 6, 2024 (EST)

Cantonese spelling[edit]

I'm not sure if it's alright to create a new section here because I've covered this on several threads before, but I think it would be a good time to discuss which kind of spelling that will be used on Cantonese romanizations. As described on previous threads, I'm not a Cantonese speaker, but I wanted the Cantonese spellings to be filled. The thing is, Cantonese has several known spellings which makes me not sure which one to put in.

You see, Yale romanization and Jyutping are two of the things that I considered. Yale seems to be used in a certain NIWA sites that I know of, like Bulbapedia, and some of the spellings here are Yale-esque. On other side, Jyutping is considered to be newer, and sites like Wiktionary seems to be fond of using it. I'll give some examples for comparison, but I'm taking cues from a certain pinyin converter, so I'm not 100% sure if it's accurate, but here goes:

Blathers (傅達)
Yale romanization: fuh daaht
Jyutping romanization: fu6 daat6

Brewster (老闆)
Yale romanization: lóuh báan
Jyutping romanization: lou5 baan2

Isabelle (西施惠)
Yale romanization: sāi sī waih
Jyutping romanization: sai1 si1 wai6

Now, I've been thinking three options. Option A is to have Yale romanization being used entirely, or Option B where Jyutping is used in all the pages. There's also Option C where Yale and Jyutping romanization being used side by side, even though I'm not sure if infoboxes would allow two of them. Or is there another way to do it? And what do you guys think? Please respond kindly, thanks. Starry Windy 11:15, January 3, 2024 (EST)

I'm down to changing how we do romanizations in general. A thing that bothers me is that there aren't many good sites out there that can get us accurate romanizations for Japanese, Korean, and Chinese (like any of them really). Definitely a goal to be made when Project Languages comes into fruition. -- PanchamBro (talkcontributions) 07:36, January 6, 2024 (EST)
Actually, I think Chinese romanizations are pretty much standardized. For Simplified Chinese, we often use Hanyu Pinyin which is widely used in Mainland China and Singapore according to Wikipedia, and is considered the international standard. And I'm pretty sure we've used this one in practically all articles that has it. Other notable romanizations include Gwoyeu Romatzyh which was used back then but rarely so nowadays, and also Wade-Giles and Yale.
Speaking of Yale, it has two kinds of romanizations, one for Mandarin and one for Cantonese. The latter apparently is still widely used, it's systematic in how things are spelled, which somehow almost mirrors Hanyu Pinyin in some ways. Apart from Yale, I also think of Jyutping as systematic spelling. And I haven't even get started on Cantonese Pinyin, which is a real deal as well. Things to note, the reason I'm not sure on how accurate the Cantonese romanizations are is simply because I didn't learn much on Cantonese yet. Starry Windy 08:45, January 6, 2024 (EST)
It's moreso the fact that it's harder to find sites that can auto-romanize them, but I do feel it's important to have someone experienced with that language to handle that romanization. -- PanchamBro (talkcontributions) 08:48, January 6, 2024 (EST)
Well, I do found one site for it. For the examples I gave above, I was taking reference from this site, and I find the spelling for Marina was a 100% match. It's from this site that I knew Bulbapedia used Yale spelling, too. Still, I also agreed that we need someone experienced on Cantonese, too. Starry Windy 08:55, January 6, 2024 (EST)

A new Project?[edit]

Idea: Project Languages! It would be centered around interwiki links and modifying the villagers' articles to make them more... accessible for those who don't speak English, such as links to the Spanish and German Animal Crossing wikis, and... More details in other languages than just the names, such as the photo quotes and catchphrases. You know, make the wiki more open to people who don't speak English. BrikyEmotion Greetings NH Icon.png 16:37, January 6, 2024 (EST)

I actually just looked at the top post here, so maybe we could combine this with that? And I also saw an idea that comes from 2021 on the Projects talk page: Something called "Project Linguistics". Well, if it's okay for the creator of the original idea, I think I've found the name for this project! BrikyEmotion Greetings NH Icon.png 16:43, January 6, 2024 (EST)

Possible Incorrect Genre for the Wild World Rubber Plant[edit]

Hi there! I've been playing Animal Crossing: Wild World quite a lot lately and had a villager that was into collecting Old-school furniture. The Rubber Plant was in Nook's store and is on the old-school list, so I grabbed it. When I gave the villager the rubber plant, he rejected it saying it's not old-school. He refused to take it when I tried again. I'm not sure which genre it's supposed to be corrected to though. (Sorry if I'm doing this the wrong way, I'm new!) MadRayne (talk) 16:21, January 8, 2024 (EST)

It looks like all the items in the House Plant Set had incorrect genres; they have all been corrected to Chic. All the genres are now taken directly from the game's files, so there shouldn't be any more errors. Thank you for pointing this out! ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 14:45, January 9, 2024 (EST)

Userbox question[edit]

Hiya im Ceariah im new to the wiki. Just a question how do you make a userbox? Ceariah (talk) 06:25, January 21, 2024 (EST)

You can go to the Userbox page to find some userboxes and a guide on how to use them. Have a good day and welcome to Nookipedia! Briky If you know how to make this link to my talk page, please tell me! 12:28, January 24, 2024 (EST)

i got a black rose by accident[edit]

woke up today to find a black rose, which surprised me because i don't even have a special red rose (i think), which you get by crossing a purple and an orange. i don't even have a purple rose anywhere in my town, only way i can see this happening is if theres another way to create a special red rose.

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--Erick7477719 (talk) 10:42, February 28, 2024 (EST)

There is a chance that breeding red roses will give you a black rose. At least you got one! DriftveilBread (talk) 12:53, March 21, 2024 (EDT)

If I find vandalism, where should I report it?[edit]

Where do I report users? Acnh Player (talk) 23:55, March 24, 2024 (EDT)

Nookipedia:Staff noticeboard is the best place on-wiki. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 00:07, March 25, 2024 (EDT)