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At the time I am writing this, we currently have item pages for the {{PG}} series of games on Nintendo 64 and Nintendo GameCube, {{WW|short}}, and {{NH|short}}. However, given that we will eventually cover the other games in the series ({{CF|short}}, {{NL|short}}, {{HHD|short}}, {{AMF|short}} to some extent, and {{PC|short}}), and each will need its own item page eventually and identifiers for each and every game, I propose to move the "In other games" section in each of the item infoboxes and place them under their own section at the bottom of each item page, as to not bloat the section height. This will need to be done automatically. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 23:12, May 25, 2022 (EDT)
 
At the time I am writing this, we currently have item pages for the {{PG}} series of games on Nintendo 64 and Nintendo GameCube, {{WW|short}}, and {{NH|short}}. However, given that we will eventually cover the other games in the series ({{CF|short}}, {{NL|short}}, {{HHD|short}}, {{AMF|short}} to some extent, and {{PC|short}}), and each will need its own item page eventually and identifiers for each and every game, I propose to move the "In other games" section in each of the item infoboxes and place them under their own section at the bottom of each item page, as to not bloat the section height. This will need to be done automatically. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 23:12, May 25, 2022 (EDT)
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:{{comment}} - I see where you're coming from, and I agree that items which are featured in many different games will have a particularly long infobox once the item pages from all games have been created. I would support adding ''additional'' links in a "See also" section at the bottom of the item page, but I think that the info is important enough to stay in the infobox. I would suggest merging the "In other games" section with the "Appearances" section, so only the abbreviated game titles appear, but the links go to the appropriate item page (e.g. {{Infobox Appearance|game=AC|appears=yes|}} goes to [[Item:Froggy Chair (Animal Crossing)]], not [[Animal Crossing]]). [[File:Sunmarshsignature.png|link=User:Sunmarsh]] '''<small><span style="font-variant:small-caps">([[User_talk:Sunmarsh|<span style="color:#7B7B7B">talk</span>]])</span></small>''' 23:53, June 1, 2022 (EDT)

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Specific tasks
  • Our villager pages could use house descriptions. At the top of villager house sections, add a description describing common themes and changes to the villager's house throughout the series. Examples available on Eunice and Alfonso.
  • Add "Appearance" sections to our New Horizons wallpaper and floor pages to describe what they look like. Example at Underwater Wall. Screenshots of all walls and floors located here and here, respectively.
  • Restructure and populate our fossil pages with info for Animal Crossing, Wild World, City Folk, and New Leaf using our new fossil info templates. Our New Horizons info is already complete - see Brachiosaurus for an example for how to replicate.
  • Work on our Pocket Camp coverage; visit Project Pocket Camp for more info. Coverage needed includes Gyroidite Scavenger Events, fortune cookie sets, Happy Homeroom puzzles, and memories.
  • Our merchandise coverage needs lots of expansion! Help expand our existing lists and create new ones using the {{MerchSeries}} and {{MerchCell}} templates.
  • Add "Characteristics" sections to our special character pages. See Redd#Characteristics for an example.
  • Write a synopsis for Pocket Camp memories. Be sure to remove the {{Stub}} template from the Synopsis section when completed in order to remove the article from this list.
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Project Clean-Up is dedicated cleaning up unused files, redirects, unused or uncategorized categories/templates, and miscellaneous other formatting. In addition, it seeks to have the To-do list cleared of a majority to all of its entries.
Project Database

Project Database

Leader: SuperHamster
Project Database aims to generate a Nookipedia database that contains factual information on all aspects of the Animal Crossing Series.
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Project Images involves categorizing every image based on game, character, and content, replacing outdated/poor quality images, uploading requested images and renaming images to be more concise.
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Project Interface works to develop Nookipedia's interface and templates across all devices.
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It's a project. And it's about furniture, clothing, interior, and many other items in the series.
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Project Museum covers fish, insects, sea creatures, paintings, fossils, and constellations. Over 150 articles and counting!
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Project Music lists and provides a sample of all the music in the Animal Crossing series.
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Post new topics below! Drago (talk) Drago PC Villager Icon.png 11:03, January 1, 2019 (EST)

How to upload images (Mobile)

Hi, I’m trying to figure out how to upload an image. It says that I removed the file info template even though I didn’t do anything. How do I fix this? Thanks, BadTime123 (talk) 06:57, December 30, 2021 (EST)

Hi, you need to add {{File Info}} template to the image and fill it (Add source and description). Also here is example File:395 Cally amiibo card JP.png. Kalina (talk) Pikachu Sig Icon.png 14:00, December 30, 2021 (CET)

How do you make a bot?

Hi, Does anyone know how to make a bot code? Cheers, ToadetteFan007 (Talk) SylveonSig.png 04:47, February 5, 2022 (EST)

Majority of bots used here are operated using a programming language (e.g. Go, C++). My bot (PanchamBot), uses Python for parameter additions, file moves, and page creation functions. Warning tho, you will need to have administration permission and lots of coding experience if you want to operate your own bot someday. -- PanchamBro (talkcontributions) 10:20, February 6, 2022 (EST)

HHA furniture theme collection mergers

I'm proposing for Pirate Ship Theme and Mario Theme to merge with Pirate Series and Mario Series (with or without Super Mario Set merged) respectively. A big reason has to be how they are transcribed in different languages. For Pirate Ship Theme and Pirate Series, they share the same Japanese (かいぞく), Korean (해적), Spanish (pirata), and German (Piraten) translations. As for the Mario Theme and Mario Series, their translations are pretty identical,

I have another reason, that given how furniture series have changed in New Horizons from having the same bed, drawer, table, and chair features to diverse furniture parts that may or may not have all of the following classifications, that it addition to the translations, they are justified because of the changes made to New Horizons's furniture collection classification. So they are the same collection, just under a different name.

Let me know what you guys think of these changes. -- PanchamBro (talkcontributions) 18:08, February 27, 2022 (EST)

Comment Comment Are there existing pages where themes/sets and series have been merged? I'd like to know what they look like. Also I don't understand why translations should matter in decisions like these since this is an English wiki. Could you clarify/expand your reasoning here, please? Melicent (talk) 19:07, February 27, 2022 (EST)
Comment Comment Jingle Series merging with Festive Series and Pavé Series merging with Festivale Series on the premise of shared Japanese translation for each are instances. And translations can matter in situation in regards to if a furniture series/set/theme is the same as before or if it's a different series/set/theme overall. Office Set and Office Set (Clerical) is an example of this. -- PanchamBro (talkcontributions) 19:31, February 27, 2022 (EST)
Comment Comment Thanks for taking the time to explain! I was wondering specically about sets and/or themes being merged into series pages (or sets being merged into themes) and whether there were already precedents, in which case what you suggest is usual modus operandi on the wiki and I'm all for it. I've tried looking for some but only found the cases you mention (series being merged into other series with similar names/furniture, etc.). However, I don't know the franchise and the Nooki well enough. Melicent (talk) 07:08, February 28, 2022 (EST)
Comment Comment Where are you getting the translations for the themes from? They are not present on the wiki. —Moo🐮Moo🐄Meadows (talk) 06:43, March 21, 2022 (EDT)
Comment Comment The theme translations were missing from the wiki, but I went ahead and added them using the "Localizations" tab present in the New Leaf spreadsheet. HylianAngel (talk) 05:32, April 6, 2022 (EDT)

Festivale Feathers

Hey, I noticed that when referring to the Feathers collected during the Festivale event, the hyperlink for ‘Feathers’ leads to the disambiguation page for Feather. I was wondering whether I should create a new page for specifically the Feathers collected during Festivale or if I should change the hyperlink to one of the individual feather pages and if so, which one? Thank you for the input and of course please tell me if I have overlooked something or made an error in someway!

--TapDanceDruid (talk) 11:32, February 28, 2022 (EST)

Welcome to Nookipedia, TapDanceDruid! In response to your question, I'd say the link should just be removed. The feathers already have individual item pages for New Horizons and I don't think they're notable enough for their own page. Drago (talk) Drago PC Villager Icon.png 11:41, February 28, 2022 (EST)
Drago beat me to it, but I'll say what I was suppose to say: in regards to the disambiguation page I would probably add the item pages associated with the feathers to the page (e.g. Green Feather, Blue Feather, Red Feather, Purple Feather, and Rainbow Feather) but a new article about feathers doesn't sound bad to me. I would like to know how it would look like first, so I recommend creating a user sandbox here. But as Drago mentioned, there might be some notablility problems, so keep that in mind. -- PanchamBro (talkcontributions) 11:49, February 28, 2022 (EST)
I agree that the wiki could use a Feathers page. They are collectibles in both New Leaf and New Horizons, having a centralized page that's all about feathers would be useful. HylianAngel (talk) 16:46, February 28, 2022 (EST)

Create villager/special character ID redirects

I've been thinking a lot about the implementation of IDs for villagers and special characters, and if it's plausible to have redirects based on a villager or special characters's ID. It would certainly be somewhat easier to search for a particular codename and then go to the character associated with it.

There are certain articles that will need to have a notice due to this (e.g. Doc already exists as a villager so a notice would need to be added to redirect people to Wilbur in the event that someone wanted to search his codename). -- PanchamBro (talkcontributions) 10:00, March 14, 2022 (EDT)

Support Support It makes sense to have them. It makes things easier. --Dr. Peach (talk) 12:01, March 14, 2022 (EDT)
Comment Comment It seems really cool in theory, but does the wiki really need these redirects? I feel like it is not a very practical way of searching up a character. A person who is like "I want to go to cat #5's page," I feel would either want to go there because of these two main scenarios:
  • They already know from memory that cat05 is Tangy. However, if that's the case, they would just look up Tangy anyways.
  • They don't know who cat #5 is and they are curious who it is like a game of chance. However, if they really wanted to learn that info, they would just go to the page of villager ID's (which hasn't been created yet but has been a WIP by Chubby Bub).
Anyways, I don't see this being a very practical feature. I don't think the redirects would be that helpful just because I would say 99% of players wouldn't know villager ID's by heart, and that the number of people who search for a villager based on ID rather than the villager's name is too small or nonexistent. And if they desired that info, the most practical thing would be for them to go to the ID page. I can't imagine that many scenarios where a person would want to go to, say, kpg's page. I would say the villager ID's page that hyperlinks to each villager page would serve as a more useful trivia and type of "search" feature. Also, along with doc causing confusion, there's also fox, man, and owl. HylianAngel (talk) 16:34, March 14, 2022 (EDT)
Oppose Oppose for the same reasons HylianAngel says. This seems unnecessary (I see no real use for it) and honestly I think it will just create confusion, especially where redirects are necessary. If someone wants to find a character's ID or what an ID is they can go to the list page, the character's page or search for the ID. But on this topic, I'll try to finish the list pages so we can move them to the main namespace. Chubby Bub (talk) 21:43, March 15, 2022 (EDT)
Oppose Oppose per above. I don't think redirects for this are necessary or would even be used much. If people want to see which ID links to which villager, then the newly created ID list articles would be far more practical and informative for this. Also IMO we have way too many WrongPage (etc.) notices in the villager articles already without adding even more to cover edge cases like Doc/doc. --Shark HHD Icon.png Dorsal Axe (talk) 05:43, March 17, 2022 (EDT)
Oppose Oppose per others. I could see this perhaps being a useful option to add to the API, but I don't see it getting widespread use on the wiki by the average reader. --Jake (talk) 14:04, March 17, 2022 (EDT)

Merge NES games with their respective item page

I really should content that the NES games do serve a purpose in informing the reader on the games that are available to play in Animal Crossing. That being said, with the creation of item pages, should they even stay? I'd argue they be merged, with information on the game's origin and gameplay moving to the item page instead.

As for Super Mario Bros. and The Legend of Zelda, that's tricky. They don't necessary have a respectively item page, so I think a separate choice will need to be made on this. -- PanchamBro (talkcontributions)

I Support Support your proposal. However, regarding SMB and TLoZ, I think they should have pages. This is a bit of a separate topic, but here's as good a place to discuss it: I think all unused items should still have item pages. I know they used to but were moved to Prerelease and unused content pages; however, I think such explanatory pages should exist alongside individual item pages for unused items. It makes more sense to document everything, especially since some, like the DUMMY, are obtainable because of developer oversight or through glitches. Although we ourselves take a neutral stance on modding, it could also be useful for people looking to modify their games, with a save editor or something else. Chubby Bub (talk) 16:24, May 15, 2022 (EDT)
Support Support per Chubby Bub. Glitchers and modders could benefit from articles on specific unused items. Senor Mexicano (talk) 07:29, May 17, 2022 (EDT)
Support Support - It makes sense that this info be moved to the item page, good suggestion! I would also argue that Super Mario Bros. and The Legend of Zelda should also get their own pages. Just because they are unobtainable through normal gameplay doesn't mean that they aren't items; they should still be documented as such. The "Obtain via" field could list Cheating device. Sunmarshsignature.png (talk) 23:10, June 1, 2022 (EDT)

Should items only available in DnM, DnM+, or DnMe+ have their Japanese name in the prose?

Sort of similar to the discussion from last year, I would feel like having the Japanese name in the prose for items that only appear in Doubutsu no Mori, Doubutsu no Mori+, or Doubutsu no Mori e+ would be beneficial since they don't really have an official name and are just translated. Any thoughts? -- PanchamBro (talkcontributions) 19:45, April 23, 2022 (EDT)

Support Support - Sounds good to me! Should also be paired with {{conjectural}}. Sunmarshsignature.png (talk) 23:14, June 1, 2022 (EDT)

Issues with pages using cargo tables with a lot of entries

As of now, the following pages here are having issues loading at all, and at this point trying to fix any issues is inoperable at this point:

I'm suggesting that we cut our losses and split these pages up into sections, but I can't tell what sections to choose. It's likely for the latter that it is split up between furniture, clothing, interior, and other items, but I'm conflicted with the other pages. -- PanchamBro (talkcontributions) 15:50, May 9, 2022 (EDT)

I think that furniture could be split between the different types (Housewares, Miscellaneous, Wall-mounted & Ceiling decor). Alternatively, is the problem with Cargo having to perform such a large database search, or is it an issue of the page being too large? Is it possible for us to replace the page with a static table (now that NH will seemingly not be updated anymore)? Sunmarshsignature.png (talk) 23:23, June 1, 2022 (EDT)

Add a table of catchphrases in different languages

With all the effort made in romanizing and adding meaning to each name of a villager using {{Foreignname}}, I think doing the same to catchphrases would be nice. We already have Japanese catchphrases translated w/ their meaning for Japanese e-Reader cards, I think doing one for each language, no matter what they mean, would also suffice. -- PanchamBro (talkcontributions) 10:25, May 13, 2022 (EDT)

Comment Comment - Are you proposing this table be added to the bottom of each villager page? Or is this a separate list/page where all villager catchphrases are listed? Or both? It would be nice to have a master list to link to from the catchphrase page. Sunmarshsignature.png (talk) 23:31, June 1, 2022 (EDT)

Update main page trivia

Should we update the trivia on the main page? I think we should update it every month or so and maybe get some people for it. I need your opinions, Toadalind (talk) 12:48, May 23, 2022 (EDT)

I think it would be nice if we had a group of users responsible for monthly trivia updates, similar to the fanart curators for the featured fanart (which is also on the Main Page). Drago (talk) Drago PC Villager Icon.png 13:31, May 23, 2022 (EDT)

Move the "In other games" section from the infobox to its own section

At the time I am writing this, we currently have item pages for the Animal Crossing series of games on Nintendo 64 and Nintendo GameCube, Wild World, and New Horizons. However, given that we will eventually cover the other games in the series (City Folk, New Leaf, Happy Home Designer, amiibo Festival to some extent, and Pocket Camp), and each will need its own item page eventually and identifiers for each and every game, I propose to move the "In other games" section in each of the item infoboxes and place them under their own section at the bottom of each item page, as to not bloat the section height. This will need to be done automatically. -- PanchamBro (talkcontributions) 23:12, May 25, 2022 (EDT)

Comment Comment - I see where you're coming from, and I agree that items which are featured in many different games will have a particularly long infobox once the item pages from all games have been created. I would support adding additional links in a "See also" section at the bottom of the item page, but I think that the info is important enough to stay in the infobox. I would suggest merging the "In other games" section with the "Appearances" section, so only the abbreviated game titles appear, but the links go to the appropriate item page (e.g.
AC
goes to Item:Froggy Chair (Animal Crossing), not Animal Crossing). Sunmarshsignature.png (talk) 23:53, June 1, 2022 (EDT)