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[[Category:Active discussions]]
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==Example topic==
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Post new topics below! [[User:Drago|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:green">Drago</span>]] [[User talk:Drago|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:purple">(talk)</span>]]    [[File:Drago PC Villager Icon.png|20px]] 11:03, January 1, 2019 (EST)
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== Split <nowiki>{{Availability}}</nowiki> into separate availability templates ==
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I know this won't be popular considering a lot of pages use [[Template:Availability]], but at this point, I feel like there's too much to add that it's becoming a growing nightmare to deal with, especially with how limited MediaWiki can handle a template like this anymore.
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I think long-term goal we should split this template into multiple sections. There are two options to consider.
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# We split the template by their category. This means that Plants go to a specific category, and NPCs go in another. The [[Fortune Cookies]] from {{PC}} therefore have their own separate template.
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# We split the template into their own game. This is a big deal because this could mean linking specific items such as flower items by using [[Template:I]]. Long-term, when we do include items from other games like {{NL}}, {{PC}}, and {{WW}}, we don't have items that have to linked to one page in order to maintain consistency. We can have <code><nowiki>{{Availability|NH|Orange Tree}}</nowiki></code> for {{NH}} redirect to <code><nowiki>{{I|Orange Tree|New Horizons}}</nowiki></code> and in {{NL}}, <code><nowiki>{{Availability|NL|Orange Tree}}</nowiki></code> goes to <code><nowiki>{{I|Orange Tree|New Leaf}}</nowiki></code>. This can also factor in specific icons for specific games, depending on if those icons exists. Now things that are common across multiple games, such as <code><nowiki>{{Availability|Starting item}}</nowiki></code> and <code><nowiki>{{Availability|Unobtainable}}</nowiki></code>, we can opt to keep those in the main template as they are not really game-specific in that regard.
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This needs to be addressed, because the more we add to this template, the harder it gets to add new availability factors and the more likely that the template will cease to operate due to how many items need to be added (e.g. Pocket Camp fortune cookies). -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 13:21, June 6, 2021 (EDT)
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:I'm quite onto this, having separate templates could simplify things quite a bit, but it will probably be a long process getting everything back together since we have so many pages with the [[Template:Availability|availability template]]. ~ [[User:Vivian|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:brown">Vivian</span>]] [[User talk:Vivian|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:grey">(talk)</span>]]    [[File:Vivian DnMe+ Minigame.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Vivian]] 13:28, June 6, 2021 (EDT)
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::I would like to point out that [https://nookipedia.com/w/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&group=bot we have bots that we can rely on] to replace those texts. And that most templates can easily swap stuff around and add those specific names (see [[Template:CargoDisplayNHFurniture]]). -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 13:36, June 6, 2021 (EDT)
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:The switch parser function [[wikipedia:Help:Switch_parser_function|help page]] over on wikipedia says that while a function can technically contain between 1k-2k branches, it "should be split to have less than 100 branches, in multiple or nested parts". If we expect that we will ever reach the upper limit/run into performance concerns, then splitting it would be easier to do sooner rather than later. Also, I didn't see this post before I made edits to the template to simplify it. Even though it's more readable/editable now, I agree that splitting it is still something we should consider. If we didn't want to adjust the template call on all of the pages in which {{t|Availability}} appears, we could create a template that determines which 'category' the call fits into (e.g. is it a plant, fortune cookie etc.). We could then use this determination to split the huge switch into several nested switches:
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<pre><nowiki>{{AvailabilityCategory|{{{1|}}}}}
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{{#switch: {{#var:category}}
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| fortune =  {{#switch: {{{1|}}}
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| Clothing Fortune Cookie
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| Timmy's Fortune Cookie
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.
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.
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.</nowiki></pre>
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:The <code><nowiki>{{AvailabilityCategory}}</nowiki></code> template would determine what category the input belongs to, and this information could be accessed by calling the variable <code><nowiki>{{#var:category}}</nowiki></code>. This would still result in the template being very long though, as all of the different options would exist in the same template, just nested in multiple switch functions to improve performance. [[File:Sunmarshsignature.png|link=User:Sunmarsh]] '''<small><span style="font-variant:small-caps">([[User_talk:Sunmarsh|<span style="color:#7B7B7B">talk</span>]])</span></small>''' 20:33, June 27, 2021 (EDT)
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:Minor suggestion if this would be implemented in the future, subpages could be used to separate between games e.g., {{t|Availability/NH}} and {{t|Availability/PC}}, to prevent <code><nowiki>{{{#switch}}}</nowiki></code>ing hell. Regardless, the template definitely has to be split in the future. [[File:Lucky Clover NL Icon.png|x24px|link=User:Decomposer]][[User talk:Decomposer|{{colorshow|006600|Decomposer}}]] 10:59, August 11, 2021 (EDT)
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== SVGs, indexing, and gadgets ==
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Hello editors! Thanks to the hard work of [[User:Jake|Jake]], we've recently upgraded our MediaWiki version and made some small changes and improvements.
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Cheers, '''~''[[User:SuperHamster|<span style="color:#07517C">Super</span>]]''[[User:SuperHamster|<span style="color:#6FA23B">Hamster</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]] [[Special:Contribs/SuperHamster|Contribs]]</small> 22:24, June 15, 2021 (EDT)
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The index category is a redlink, should someone create it? Petaldancer66😺 [[User:Petaldancer66|Petaldancer66]] [[User talk:Petaldancer66|talk]] 00:15, June 27, 2021 (EDT)
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:Created. ~ [[User:Vivian|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#c6a469">Vivian</span>]] [[User talk:Vivian|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:grey">(talk)</span>]]    [[File:Vivian DnMe+ Minigame.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Vivian]] 00:27, June 27, 2021 (EDT)
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== Question. ==
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Bunny currently redirects to Rabbit, a Villager's name is also Bunnie. Some people might not know know Bunnie's name is spelled B-U-N-N-I-E. Should we put  a Wrong page template on Rabbit or make a redirect page? Petaldancer66😺 [[User:Petaldancer66|Petaldancer66]] [[User talk:Petaldancer66|talk]] 15:43, July 7, 2021 (EDT)
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:I'd go with the wrongpage template. [[User:Drago|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:green">Drago</span>]] [[User talk:Drago|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:purple">(talk)</span>]]    [[File:Drago PC Villager Icon.png|20px]] 11:34, July 8, 2021 (EDT)
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:I agree, seems like a perfect use for the wrongpage template. --<span class="jake-signature">[[User:Jake|<span class="jake-signature-name" style="font-family:Coustard,Verdana; color:#f73422; text-shadow: #e0e0e0 1px 1px 0;">Jake</span>]] [[User_talk:Jake|<span class="jake-signature-talk" style="font-family:Coustard,Verdana; color:#f75b22; text-shadow: #e0e0e0 1px 1px 0;">(talk)</span>]]</span> 13:42, July 8, 2021 (EDT)
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Okay, did that. Thanks for the feedback! Petaldancer66😺 [[User:Petaldancer66|Petaldancer66]] [[User talk:Petaldancer66|talk]] 15:03, July 8, 2021 (EDT)
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==Page about sleep==
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I think we need a page on this wiki about sleep, we could talk about all the messages left on doors while villagers are asleep, what hours they fall asleep and wake up at on each day, etc. Anyone got any thoughts on this? [[User:Meganium39|Meganium39]] ([[User talk:Meganium39|talk]]) 05:58, July 22, 2021 (EDT)
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:I think this is an interesting idea, I just don't know if there is enough information for its own page. If you'd like to mockup the page in a sandbox to get an idea of how much info there is that would be helpful. And then if it looks good we can move it to the main article space. At the very least though, sleep schedules deserve mention in the personality section on the [[villager]] page. I think they are only mentioned on the individual personality pages right now. [[File:Sunmarshsignature.png|link=User:Sunmarsh]] '''<small><span style="font-variant:small-caps">([[User_talk:Sunmarsh|<span style="color:#7B7B7B">talk</span>]])</span></small>''' 13:12, July 23, 2021 (EDT)
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== Doubutsu no Mori e+ Monthly Fishes: New pages or extra sections on Animal Crossing pages? ==
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Hi. I was asked to post this question here because I added sections for {{DnMe+}} on [[https://nookipedia.com/wiki/Fish/Animal_Crossing/January]] and subsequent articles up to May atm, and while I didn't think much about them, I should have probably asked others beforehand.
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Here's the issue, resumed:
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* {{DnMe+}} was missing all pages for monthly fishes, so I, instead of making new pages per month for the 8 new fishes added to this game, decided to include those in a section of the {{PG}} monthly fishes pages.
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* While I did it to prevent copying all {{PG}}'s monthly pages only to add those 8 fishes, or for making a really short page, it hadn't occurred to me that such change could be questionable, as both games are seen as quite different, but in reality {{DnMe+}} hadn't expanded much on the fishes, bugs, and fossils areas.
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Given that the changes I tried to do weren't as small as I thought, I came here to ask everyone interested for a better solution to this. By either undoing the changes and placing that list on its own page, changing the title to reflect the actual change inside of the article, or by doing something someone else thinks that's better. {{Unsigned|SEISHI★}}
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:I {{Oppose}}. I'd prefer to make a list Like [[Fish/Doubutsu no Mori e+/May|this]]. Petaldancer66😺 [[User:Petaldancer66|Petaldancer66]] [[User talk:Petaldancer66|talk]] 19:09, July 22, 2021 (EDT)
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:First off, I just want to say that I appreciate you taking the initiative work with cargo and generate these tables for us. You've done a great job so far. That said, while I agree that it does seem a little silly to generate a very similar table for e+ on its own page, we've established a naming system where each game gets its own yearly and monthly lists, regardless of how similar those lists may end up being. ({{DnM+|nolink}} doesn't get its own list because it is the Japanese version of {{PG|nolink}}, even though there are significant localization differences between them.) So, in summary, for consistency I think it would be better to have the full e+ list on its own page. [[File:Sunmarshsignature.png|link=User:Sunmarsh]] '''<small><span style="font-variant:small-caps">([[User_talk:Sunmarsh|<span style="color:#7B7B7B">talk</span>]])</span></small>''' 13:23, July 23, 2021 (EDT)
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::I see, I probably should have done that from the very beginning instead of deciding on my own to simplify everything (even if it was mostly copying and pasting code). Unless I see someone else has fixed what I've done in the time I wasn't around, I'll start undoing my changes and creating the respectives pages for each month in e+. Thank you very much to the both of you and sorry for cluttering those pages up, lol -- [[User:SEISHI★|SEISHI★]] ([[User talk:SEISHI★|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SEISHI★|contributions]]) 09:28, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
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== New navbox for {{Film}} ==
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So I had an idea to create a new navbox for {{Film}}, and this is what I've developed so far:
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{{Navbox
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| Title          = ''Gekijōban Doubutsu no Mori''
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| Link          = Gekijōban Doubutsu no Mori
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| PrimaryColor  = 318 69
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<!-- MAIN -->
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| Group          = Media
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| List          = {{Film}} • ''[[Gekijōban Doubutsu no Mori: Original Soundtrack|Gekijōban Doubutsu no Mori: OST]]''
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<!-- CHARACTERS -->
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| Group2          = Characters
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| List2          = [[Ai]] • [[Apollo]] • [[Blathers]] • [[Brewster]] • [[Celeste]] • [[Cesar]] • [[Champ]] • [[Cyrano]] • [[Gulliver]] • [[Hopper]] • [[K.K. Slider]] • [[Kapp'n]] • [[Mabel]] • [[Margie]] • [[Mr. Resetti]] • [[Pascal]] • [[Pelly]] • [[Pete]] • [[Phyllis]] • [[Redd]] • [[Rosie]] • [[Sable]] • [[Timmy and Tommy]] • [[Tom Nook]] • [[Tortimer]] • [[Wendell]] • [[Whitney]] • [[Yū]]
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<!-- VOICE ACTORS -->
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| Group3          = Voice actor
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| List3          = [[Mari Adachi]] • [[Hisao Egawa]] • [[Takaya Hashi]] • [[Saori Hattori]] • [[Yurika Hino]] • [[Yui Horie]] • [[Mitsup Iwata]] • [[Takatoshi Kaneko]] • [[Mika Kanai]] • [[Yuichi Kimura]] • [[Yū Kobayashi]] • [[Takashi Miike]] • [[Fukuen Misato]] • [[Yuko Mizutani]] • [[Kenichi Ogata]] • [[Shun Oguri]] • [[Fumiko Orikasa]] • [[Otoha]] • [[Tetsuo Sakagachi]] • [[Akio Suyama]] • [[Wataru Takagi]] • [[Yasuhiro Takata]] • [[Kazuya Tatekabe]] • [[Junpei Takiguchi]] • [[Naoki Tatsuta]] • [[Masaki Terasoma]] • [[Yuji Ueda]] • [[Kappei Yamaguchi]]
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<!-- PERSONNEL -->
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| Group4          = Personnel
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| List4          = [[Jōji Shimura]] • [[Bunshō Kajiya]] • [[Aya Matsui]] • [[Kazumi Totaka]] • [[Kōji Yamakoshi]] • [[Toshio Henmi]]
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}}
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Let me know what are your thoughts on the new navbox and whether or not it's necessary. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 05:47, July 25, 2021 (EDT)
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:Looks good! I think we could also add a section for [[:Category:Gekijōban Doubutsu no Mori locations|locations]]. '''~'''&nbsp;[[User:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#1C662A">'''AlexBot2004'''</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:black">Talk</span>]]) 16:37, July 25, 2021 (EDT)
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::Again, looks good. We gonna have to create redlink pages at some ponit tho. Petaldancer66😺 [[User:Petaldancer66|Petaldancer66]] [[User talk:Petaldancer66|talk]] 23:01, August 3, 2021 (EDT)
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== Images ==
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The Tie dye shirt CF page got deleted so I think the images should be deleted too. The Files are File:Green tie-dye.jpg, File:Orange tie-dye.jpg, File:Purple tie-dye.jpg, File:Red tie-dye.jpg, and File:Blue tie-dye.jpg. If there are any more just tell me here. Petaldancer66😺 [[User:Petaldancer66|Petaldancer66]] [[User talk:Petaldancer66|talk]] 17:10, July 27, 2021 (EDT)
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:{{Oppose}}. The images could always be used for a list of clothing in {{CF|short|nolink}} when we get to that. ~ [[User:Vivian|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#c6a469">Vivian</span>]] [[User talk:Vivian|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:grey">(talk)</span>]]    [[File:Vivian DnMe+ Minigame.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Vivian]] 17:21, July 27, 2021 (EDT)
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Ya probably could. Petaldancer66😺 [[User:Petaldancer66|Petaldancer66]] [[User talk:Petaldancer66|talk]] 22:52, July 28, 2021 (EDT)
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:I disagree with Vivian. While we haven't gotten to {{CF}} items yet, we have to recognize that eventually they'll be replaced by transparent images provided by Phil and [[User:AlexBot2004|Alex]] whenever they get to images for {{CF|short|nolink}} items. We can keep the images for now, but they will be deleted upon replacement. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 23:45, July 28, 2021 (EDT)
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== Individual item pages for [[stationery]] ==
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I would like to suggest individual item pages for specific stationeries. Particularly because until {{NH}}, they are items that the player can collect, and the [[Stationery]] page is not enough to document the specifics in general. I would say it would be perfectly suitable for games before {{NH|short|nolink}}, but for {{NH|short|nolink}} stationeries, I would like to know whether or not those stationeries deserve their own page. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 17:34, August 2, 2021 (EDT)
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:I agree that for games prior to {{NH|short}}, all stationery deserve their own item pages. I would argue that since stationery is no longer an obtainable item (and does not appear in the item catalog) in NH it doesn't make sense to put NH stationery into the Item namespace. [[File:Sunmarshsignature.png|link=User:Sunmarsh]] '''<small><span style="font-variant:small-caps">([[User_talk:Sunmarsh|<span style="color:#7B7B7B">talk</span>]])</span></small>''' 22:29, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
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::I see the point, though I do think we could find a way to include other translations for various stationeries in {{NH}}. Would there be any tangible way to include translations for each stationary in {{NH|short|nolink}}? -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 22:47, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
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:::You know, thinking about it again I think I've changed my mind lol. There are stationery items in previous games that are unobtainable (although they sometimes appear in the catalog), so existing as an inventory item or place-able object is kind of an arbitrary rule to decide on whether or not something is an item. Plus, there is a mailbox 'inventory' of sorts that can store letters in {{NH|short|nolink}}. Using the existing infobox templates on designated item pages would also be easier/more consistent. So I think I'm on board with the idea. I'm still curious what other editors think though. [[File:Sunmarshsignature.png|link=User:Sunmarsh]] '''<small><span style="font-variant:small-caps">([[User_talk:Sunmarsh|<span style="color:#7B7B7B">talk</span>]])</span></small>''' 23:24, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
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== Link template refactor ==
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Hello everyone, I wanted to get your thoughts on re-coding our [[:Category:Link templates|link templates]]. Right now they use a lot of nested switches and are a bit dense/difficult to edit. But more than just replicating the original functionality, I also wanted to take this opportunity to improve them and wanted to get your input on this.
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Proposed changes:
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* Shortening the <code>nolink</code> parameter to <code>nl</code>.
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* Removing the <code>shorter</code> parameter altogether and just having the long name ({{NH}}), the short name ({{NH|short}}), and the abbreviation ({{NH|shortest}}).
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* Changing the default behavior to produce the short name ({{NH|short}}) instead of the full name ({{NH}}).
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** Adding the parameter <code>full</code> to produce the full name ({{NH}}).
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* Changing the <code>shortest</code> parameter (e.g. {{NH|shortest}}) to <code>ab</code> (short for 'abbreviation') or <code>acro</code> (short for 'acronym').
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These link templates are the most used templates on the site. The {{t|NH}} template alone is used on over 30,000 pages, so this is something that would affect nearly every page of the wiki (as at least one of these templates is probably found there). Would love to hear your thoughts on the proposed changes, and also on implementation. Do you even think it's worth it to change these templates? All feedback is welcome. [[File:Sunmarshsignature.png|link=User:Sunmarsh]] '''<small><span style="font-variant:small-caps">([[User_talk:Sunmarsh|<span style="color:#7B7B7B">talk</span>]])</span></small>''' 23:17, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
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:I don't see a reason why "{{#if: shorter
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    | {{#switch: shorter
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          | nolink = {{#if:
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              | {{#switch:
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                    | short = {{#if:
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                        | {{#ifeq:
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                              | sm
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                              | <small>''New Horizons''</small>
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                              | 3<sup>rd</sup> parameter invalid
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                              }}
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                        | ''New Horizons''
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                        }}
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                    | shorter = {{#if:
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                        | {{#ifeq:
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                              | sm
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                              | <small>ACNH</small>
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                              | 3<sup>rd</sup> parameter invalid
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                              }}
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                        | ACNH
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                        }}
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                    | shortest = {{#if:
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                        | {{#ifeq:
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                              | sm
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                              | <small>NH</small>
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                              | 3<sup>rd</sup> parameter invalid
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                              }}
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                        | NH
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                        }}
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                    | sm = {{#if:
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                        | {{#switch:
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                              | short = <small>''New Horizons''</small>
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                              | shorter = <small>ACNH</small>
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                              | shortest = <small>NH</small>
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                              | 3<sup>rd</sup> parameter invalid
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                              }}
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                        | <small>''Animal Crossing: New Horizons''</small>
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                        }}
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                    | 2<sup>nd</sup> parameter invalid
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                    }}
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              | ''Animal Crossing: New Horizons''
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              }}
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          | short = {{#if:
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              | {{#switch:
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                    | sm =  {{#if:
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                        | {{#ifeq:
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                              | nolink
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                              | <small>''New Horizons''</small>
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                              | 3<sup>rd</sup> parameter invalid
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                              }}
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                        | <small>''[[Animal Crossing: New Horizons|New Horizons]]''</small>
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                        }}
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                    | nolink =  {{#if:
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                        | {{#ifeq:
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                              | sm
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                              | <small>''New Horizons''</small>
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                              | 3<sup>rd</sup> parameter invalid
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                              }}
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                        | ''New Horizons''
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                        }}
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                    | 2<sup>nd</sup> parameter invalid
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                    }}
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              | ''[[Animal Crossing: New Horizons|New Horizons]]''
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              }}
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          | shorter = {{#if:
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              | {{#switch:
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                    | sm =  {{#if:
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                        | {{#ifeq:
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                              | nolink
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                              | <small>ACNH</small>
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                              | 3<sup>rd</sup> parameter invalid
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                              }}
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                        | <small>[[Animal Crossing: New Horizons|ACNH]]</small>
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                        }}
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                    | nolink =  {{#if:
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                        | {{#ifeq:
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                              | sm
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                              | <small>ACNH</small>
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                              | 3<sup>rd</sup> parameter invalid
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                              }}
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                        | ACNH
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                        }}
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                    | 2<sup>nd</sup> parameter invalid
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                    }}
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              | [[Animal Crossing: New Horizons|ACNH]]
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              }}
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          | shortest = {{#if:
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              | {{#switch:
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                    | sm =  {{#if:
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                        | {{#ifeq:
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                              | nolink
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                              | <small>NH</small>
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                              | 3<sup>rd</sup> parameter invalid
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                              }}
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                        | <small>[[Animal Crossing: New Horizons|NH]]</small>
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                        }}
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                    | nolink =  {{#if:
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                        | {{#ifeq:
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                              | sm
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                              | <small>NH</small>
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                              | 3<sup>rd</sup> parameter invalid
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                              }}
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                        | NH
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                        }}
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                    | 2<sup>nd</sup> parameter invalid
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                    }}
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              | [[Animal Crossing: New Horizons|NH]]
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              }}
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          | sm = {{#if:
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              | {{#switch:
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                    | short = {{#if:
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                        | {{#ifeq:
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                              | nolink
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                              | <small>''New Horizons''</small>
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                              | 3<sup>rd</sup> parameter invalid
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                              }}
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                        | <small>''[[Animal Crossing: New Horizons|New Horizons]]''</small>
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                        }}
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                    | shorter = {{#if:
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                        | {{#ifeq:
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                              | nolink
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                              | <small>ACNH</small>
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                              | 3<sup>rd</sup> parameter invalid
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                              }}
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                        | <small>[[Animal Crossing: New Horizons|ACNH]]</small>
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                        }}
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                    | shortest = {{#if:
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                        | {{#ifeq:
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                              | nolink
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                              | <small>NH</small>
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                              | 3<sup>rd</sup> parameter invalid
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                              }}
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                        | <small>[[Animal Crossing: New Horizons|NH]]</small>
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                        }}
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                    | nolink = {{#if:
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                        | {{#switch:
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                              | short = <small>''New Horizons''</small>
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                              | shorter = <small>ACNH</small>
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                              | shortest = <small>NH</small>
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                              | 3<sup>rd</sup> parameter invalid
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                              }}
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                        | <small>''Animal Crossing: New Horizons''</small>
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                        }}
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                    | 2<sup>nd</sup> parameter invalid
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                    }}
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              | <small>''[[Animal Crossing: New Horizons]]''</small>
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              }}
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          | 1<sup>st</sup> parameter invalid
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          }}
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    | ''[[Animal Crossing: New Horizons]]''
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    }}" could be used for an article link, so I {{Support}} removing it. As for the template changes, I think I have a weak {{Support}} given how massive these templates are being used and the massive work that will need to be done to change all of those parameters. But I'm not opposed, I think the replacements may work out well. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 01:43, August 10, 2021 (EDT)
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== Addressing problematic issues with the [[Nook Shopping seasonal event]] page ==
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This is not something that can be easily swayed for given the circumstances at hand here, but I think we may as well address the current uprising.
  
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As of now, Nintendo is leaning focus to perpetuate a cycle of [[Nook Shopping seasonal event]]s while they wiggle it out with adding new content. Looking at these "events" closely, the only major factor is that these events just has the player purchase them via Nook Shopping and have it straight delivered from there.
  
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However, having it be logged in a single page present some problems. Firstly, although they are significantly minor events that are way less interactive than the previous events at hand, they are still events. They still count as an event internally through the game's code. Secondly, each event name has its own set of translations that cannot simply be fit on a page that is already becoming too big. There's also the added bonus of not being able to use interlanguage links to our German affiliate for these specific events, but they do have a unified page, so it isn't a problem.
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What is a problem though, is that as Nintendo continues to grow the list of items, it's starting to grow more unbearable to add these new events and items to the table. And all that mess results in a table that is why less mobile friendly than it is. The table looks good on desktop, but looks outright intimidating on mobile. There are ways to make the table not stick out as a sore thumb, but because all that information needs to be scrolled horizontally, there is the potential for readers to not see a complete information.
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At this point, there are three ways to approach this issue:
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#Create pages for Nook Shopping event. Now this won't eliminate the Nook Shopping event page in general, but it will help downsize the page's main table significantly since we want to assure that our mobile readers can read their info better by not forcing them to scroll horizontally. Individual pages also have the opportunity to add in missing translations that we have not added yet. This present a problem however, since there is very little to say about these events other than a small pace of words.
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#Downsize the table into a few columns, and just have event names, date, or description. It's not ideal, certainly there are merits to have info about this events, but it is something to help improve readability on this page.
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#Transform the table into an article-based structure where each event gets a date and the list of items. This would mean that we'd have a longer page to scroll through, but it is certainly better than having a table that readers will need to horizontally scroll though to see the other portions of information.
  
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Post new topics below! [[User:Drago|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:green">Drago</span>]] [[User talk:Drago|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:purple">(talk)</span>]]   [[File:Drago PC Villager Icon.png|20px]] 11:03, January 1, 2019 (EST)
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These are just a few ways to go through this issue, but I'd like to know what are your thoughts on the option and if there are any ways to address this problem. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 04:19, August 10, 2021 (EDT)
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:I think we should treat them as standard events and give them their own pages. Even though they only offer an item and some info about the event itself, at the end of the day that's all the minor events in previous games were (going to Isabelle/Tortimer and getting an item and some event-exclusive dialog). '''~'''&nbsp;[[User:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#1C662A">'''AlexBot2004'''</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:black">Talk</span>]]) 17:14, August 10, 2021 (EDT)
  
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== Add internal name and ID regarding item ==
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:I agree with Alexbot2004 that each event should have its own page. That will solve the translation issue and will open up the opportunity to cargo store event info (if we aren't doing that already). As for the table issue, I think it would be great if we could develop some way to have tables display less columns on screens with less space. If that's not feasible, I think moving the description to each event's individual article page will go a long way to reduce horizontal scrolling. You could also condense columns into the same cell (for example, place the date below the event name on a new line instead of in a separate column) to help with this as well since the table isn't sortable. [[File:Sunmarshsignature.png|link=User:Sunmarsh]] '''<small><span style="font-variant:small-caps">([[User_talk:Sunmarsh|<span style="color:#7B7B7B">talk</span>]])</span></small>''' 22:15, August 10, 2021 (EDT)
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{{Archive top|result=There's support to add the internal name/ID of items to the item pages. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 10:44, February 29, 2024 (EST)}}
 
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Something that has been on my mind lately was adding internal name and ID regarding a particular item. For instance, the {{I|tulip table|PG}} in {{PG}} has the filename <code>sum_poptable01</code> and the internal ID <code>126C</code>. I believe having information on the item pages would be useful for dataminers, modders, and such if they wanted to inspect information regarding a particular item instead of having to waddle through loads of spreadsheet information. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 09:26, January 29, 2023 (EST)
 
  
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: {{Support}} for the reasons you've given. --[[User:BladeofEvilsBane|BladeofEvilsBane]] ([[User talk:BladeofEvilsBane|talk]]) 10:36, January 29, 2023 (EST)
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== Where to link Wild World items to? ==
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:{{Support}} '''~'''&nbsp;[[User:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#1C662A">'''AlexBot2004'''</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:black">Talk</span>]]) 14:58, January 29, 2023 (EST)
 
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:{{Support}} '''''[[User:Briky|Briky]]'''''[[File:Emotion Greetings NH Icon.png|30px]] 15:34, January 6, 2024 (EST)
 
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== The animal emoji redirects ==
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Hi, I've recently been trying to edit some Wild World item lists to include their textures in pages like this:
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{{Archive top|result=There doesn't seem to be a high demand to save the animals. The animal redirects shall be deleted. [[User:HylianAngel|HylianAngel]] ([[User talk:HylianAngel|talk]]) 20:43, February 16, 2023 (EST)}}
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https://nookipedia.com/wiki/Wallpaper/Wild_World
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Right now there are some emoji redirects involving the species pages. Currently these redirects exist: [[🐂]] [[🐊]] [[🐒]] [[🐕]] [[🐦]] [[🐵]] [[🐶]] [[🐺]] [[🐻]] [[🦍]]
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I wanted to link the items to their individual pages, for example, the Ancient Wall to Item:Ancient Wall, but I found the only related item pages are for Animal Crossing (the first one) and for New Horizons. So my question is, is it fine for me to link the Wild World list to the Animal Crossing Item pages? And if it is, should they be edited to add the Wild World textures? Sorry if it has been discussed elsewhere, I didn't quite know where to ask this. --[[User:Roli300|Roli300]] ([[User talk:Roli300|talk]]) 08:33, September 3, 2021 (EDT)
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They are kind of peculiar, and I can't really gauge if these would necessarily be useful. They're so silly that I wouldn't even mind keeping them. I had to do a double-take when I checked Wikipedia, and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Redirects_from_emoji they actually utilize emoji redirects], so it seems like they potentially serve some sort of usefulness. But either way, we should either:
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:Our item pages are specific to one species of game, due to the fact that each game has its own set of data for each item. Though we haven't developed any ''Wild World'' item pages yet, you can help create those pages on this wiki. [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aGEu_eoS3a-g_Tf--ewS0fLhyOHbNzpSc5jtaEE8nrA/edit#gid=0 The Spreadsheet for ''Wild World'' is over here if you need to reference on making those pages]. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 09:05, September 3, 2021 (EDT)
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[[Category:Active discussions]]
  
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a. Complete the collection and create more redirects involving the remaining missing animal emojis from the [[:Category:Species|species]] pages<br>
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::Oh, I see, thanks a lot for the quick response. I'll try to slowly create some Wild World pages, then. Should I use the same template as the one in the Animal Crossing pages or is there some other template I should follow? --[[User:Roli300|Roli300]] ([[User talk:Roli300|talk]]) 09:15, September 3, 2021 (EDT)
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b. Delete the existing animal emoji redirects.
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:::They would have to use their own template, although we have not created one yet for Wild World walls/carpets. Just to let you know though, the item pages can be created automatically by a script to save time, since there are hundreds of items in the game; this is how we created the GameCube and New Horizons pages. '''~'''&nbsp;[[User:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#1C662A">'''AlexBot2004'''</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:black">Talk</span>]]) 10:18, September 3, 2021 (EDT)
  
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What do you think? [[User:HylianAngel|HylianAngel]] ([[User talk:HylianAngel|talk]]) 02:28, February 6, 2023 (EST)
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:I just wanted to provide a bit more context for you in regard to your question. The wiki is moving towards a database-generated model for our item tables, meaning that we use a tool called [[Nookipedia:Project Database|Cargo]] to generate databases of items, and then we pull certain groupings of items (example:clothing, wallpaper etc.) from that database for display in tables. This way, we don't have to manually enter data cell by cell as is currently being done at [[Wallpaper/Wild World]]. In order to fill our cargo database, we create individual item pages, which have a special code in them that tells cargo to store whatever data fields we specify. So, you're more than welcome to work on a page like [[Wallpaper/Wild World]], but once the individual item pages are all created, the content at Wallpaper/Wild World will be replaced using a Cargo-generated table. Essentially your work on pages like this will eventually be 'erased'.
  
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::Very much against the use of animal emoji redirects. I just do not think they are reasonably used or feasibly searched. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 02:07, February 10, 2023 (EST)
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:The workflow we are currently using is something like this:
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#Extract data from the relevant {{PG|nolink}} game (item data & images/model renders)
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#Compile that data in a spreadsheet, broken down by item category
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#Create the appropriate cargo & infobox templates for each item type
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#Create a script to automatically generate pages for each item using the appropriate template(s)
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#Once the relevant item pages have been created, create pages for lists of items, populated using cargo queries
  
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== New Project: Project Languages ==
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:I'm not certain which stage we're at in this process for {{WW|short}} items, but we do have a channel on [[Nookipedia:Discord|Discord]] if you're interested in getting involved. [[File:Sunmarshsignature.png|link=User:Sunmarsh]] '''<small><span style="font-variant:small-caps">([[User_talk:Sunmarsh|<span style="color:#7B7B7B">talk</span>]])</span></small>''' 17:30, September 3, 2021 (EDT)
  
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I think we should start a project where we fill up the boxes with "unknown" in on templates.
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== More hourly type pages for people who like playing at their local times ==
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--[[User:Sylveon|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:purple">Sylveon</span>]] [[User talk:Sylveon|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:magenta">(Autistic and proud!)</span>]]🍉🌺  08:53, February 17, 2023 (EST)
 
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:Currently, the major missing romanization on all articles, especially villager articles, is Traditional Chinese, as it was made a separate entry from Simplified Chinese. For Japanese, Korean, and Simplified Chinese (the mainland language of China), you can pretty much use Google Translate to obtain an acceptable romanization of the name. However, Traditional Chinese is a slightly more complicated subject to tackle.
 
  
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:I asked my Chinese friend if [[Marina#Names in other languages|this Traditional Chinese romanization of Marina's name was correct]], because it was so different from the Simplified Chinese romanization. Zhānglìnà vs. Jēung Laahp Nóh is crazy different, to me as an English-speaking person. But no, she mulled it for a few seconds and said, yep, the Traditional Chinese romanization in this situation is correct. Nookipedia is using the Hong Kong flag, which implies the dialect is Cantonese. I asked her to ignore the flag, and she said you can't do that, the flag matters. I told her that most other wikis, like Bulbapedia and WiKirby don't use flags, and they usually have it simply stated as "Simplified Chinese" and "Traditional Chinese" in written text without flags, and that they tend to make both of those romanizations identical. She said that's the wrong way to approach it, since you're basically erasing an entire dialect from existence by making the romanizations identical. I asked her, would it make sense to make the Traditional and Simplified Chinese romanizations the same if the flag was not there at all, and she said, yes, some dialects of Traditional Chinese would have identical romanization as Simplified Chinese, but that is why the flag is so important in this scenario because the Hong Kong flag implies the Cantonese dialect, and you shouldn't make the romanizations the same if it's the Hong Kong flag.
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One of the main things that i wanted to add to this wiki was to add two more pages to it.One of them would be about hourly changes to the game, for example, for the 7 A.M. section of it, there could something saying stuff like, Animal Crossing -Nook n go opens- or for the 8 P.M. section of it, Animal Crossing City Folk -K.K. Starts playing songs- which is something I've wanted on this wiki for a long time. Another page idea is for hourly songs in all of the games as well as their rain and snow versions as well as their cherry blossom and e+ versions. {{Unsigned|Admin20Z}}
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:Thanks for your suggestions, {{u|Admin20Z}}! I really like these ideas and will put them on my to-do list. Also, when you leave a comment on a talk page, please remember to sign it with four tildes at the end: <code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code>. This will produce a time-stamped signature so we can all more easily follow the conversation and can see who is replying to who. [[File:Sunmarshsignature.png|link=User:Sunmarsh]] '''<small><span style="font-variant:small-caps">([[User_talk:Sunmarsh|<span style="color:#7B7B7B">talk</span>]])</span></small>''' 18:12, September 28, 2021 (EDT)
  
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:She also explained that China has been attempting to erase Cantonese for some time in order to make Simplified Chinese the main language. Another unfortunate aspect is that we wouldn't even be able to obtain any Cantonese Traditional Chinese romanizations on Nookipedia without the help of a Cantonese-speaking person, because Google Translate spits out identical romanizations for Simplified and Traditional Chinese anyways. So we have a major problem where the Hong Kong flag would be misleading if we were to copy-paste the Simplified Chinese romanizations to be the same as the Traditional Chinese romanizations, but if we were to decide to stick with Hong Kong/Cantonese, we probably will never have any Traditional Chinese romanizations ever, unless a Cantonese person decides to join and contribute for every page (and my Chinese friend does not know Cantonese). [[User:HylianAngel|HylianAngel]] ([[User talk:HylianAngel|talk]]) 16:13, February 17, 2023 (EST)
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== Move [[Nookipedia:Community Fountain]] over to the talk page instead ==
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{{Archive top|result=Successful proposal '''(5-0)'''. [[User:Drago|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:green">Drago</span>]] [[User talk:Drago|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:purple">(talk)</span>]]   [[File:Drago PC Villager Icon.png|20px]] 11:38, October 26, 2021 (EDT)}}
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After glossing over [[Nookipedia:Community Fountain]], I have to say that there is no need for the page, especially since not much has updated for that page since {{NH}}'s launch, and it would be more appreciated to have a convenient spot to talk about discussions across Nookipedia.
  
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:I may not know much about Cantonese at the moment, but I've been thinking about it considering that it has several romanizations that could be used here. I'm pretty sure Bulbapedia used Yale romanization for Cantonese, but on the other hand, there's also Jyutping romanization. If we can get some pointers on which of these romanizations should be used here, it would be a good start. Not to mention, the example of Marina earlier on seems to be using Yale's. <span style="background:linear-gradient(0deg,blue,cyan); -webkit-background-clip:text !important; -webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;">'''''[[User:Starry Windy|Starry Windy]]'''''</span>[[User talk:Starry Windy|<span style="color:gold">★</span>]] 23:05, November 29, 2023 (EST)
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There is still some useful info to use on Community Fountain, but I think we should just axe the page in favor of a redirect to this talk page. Do any of you agree? -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 20:47, September 30, 2021 (EDT)
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:Move or redirect? You used both terms. '''~[[User:SuperHamster|''<span style="color:#07517C;">Super</span>''<span style="color:#6FA23B;">Hamster</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]] [[Special:Contribs/SuperHamster|Contribs]]</small> 20:53, September 30, 2021 (EDT)
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::Ah sorry. I refer to moving as in making the main page a redirect and moving some or all content from that page over here. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 20:54, September 30, 2021 (EDT)
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:::Gotcha, just wanted to make sure I understood. Thanks! '''~[[User:SuperHamster|''<span style="color:#07517C;">Super</span>''<span style="color:#6FA23B;">Hamster</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]] [[Special:Contribs/SuperHamster|Contribs]]</small> 20:55, September 30, 2021 (EDT)
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:{{Support}} - Just for reference, this was originally brought up by {{u|Drago}} back in May [https://discord.com/channels/233712028496297986/233712421477416960/844968543144378419 on Discord]. I agree that the sidebar should link to this page, rather than the project page. I don't support a redirect though, rather I think we should pare down the project page and transclude it to the top of the talk page. I suggested just keeping the 'things to do' and 'need help?' sections. If we do this though, we need to make sure we replace all links to the project page, since it will not be a redirect. This should be a relatively simple text replace.
  
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== Villager Quotes ==
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:Also, this is perhaps a separate discussion, but how do we feel about changing the name of the Community Fountain to something else? It seems like maybe this was in reference to Serena's [[fountain]] in {{CF|nolink|short}}, and perhaps an AC-style take on Wikipedia's 'Village Pump'?  Either way, I think that something like "The Bulletin Board" would be more appropriate, as it's something that is found in every game and its function is very similar to that of the Community Fountain (collecting messages/promoting discussion). [[File:Sunmarshsignature.png|link=User:Sunmarsh]] '''<small><span style="font-variant:small-caps">([[User_talk:Sunmarsh|<span style="color:#7B7B7B">talk</span>]])</span></small>''' 23:45, September 30, 2021 (EDT)
  
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Hi! I am new to being an editor, but recently I noticed Nookipedia doesn't do individual quotes for villagers, something the Animal Crossing Wiki does do. I've been adding quotes for a few villagers, but not too many. I wanted to garner some support before I continue to do more. I know most quotes are similar within personality, but there are some, like picture quotes, that are individual to certain villagers. I think this could be really cool to do for every villager, because the rest of the villager page isn't very personalized at all. Plus, sometimes, people only need the page to look for the picture quote, and putting it at the top of the page could be useful. I think it would be fun for the editors, and readers, to mix it up a little. So, community, do you have an opinion? Should I keep going? [[User:Omigpine11|Omigpine11]] ([[User talk:Omigpine11|talk]]) 17:59, March 11, 2023 (EST)Omigpine11
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:{{Support}} - My preference would be to remove the main Community Fountain page (which I agree isn't very useful), and then move this talk page (and the archives) over to the regular Nookipedia namespace (so this would become the 'new' Community Fountain, if that makes sense).  
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:Although photo quotes are "unique dialogue" involving the villager, I feel it is not needed to include it at the top of the page, since this info is available within the infobox ("favorite saying"), which is very close to the top of the page already. If a reader only needs the photo quote, they already have easy access. These quotes are also located on the [[Photo]] page. I personally {{Oppose}} adding photo quotes to the top of villager pages. However, I {{Support}} adding quotes on villager pages in cases where it is in-game dialogue completely exclusive to the villager. These cases are rare, but some cases do occur in New Horizons involving very specific species-personality combos (where there is only 1 villager who is that species-personality, like Wendy the peppy sheep, on Year of the Sheep). While it's not really from the game, I agree with the [[Alfonso]] quote you added from the official NH website, since it is indeed completely unique. [[User:HylianAngel|HylianAngel]] ([[User talk:HylianAngel|talk]]) 18:25, March 11, 2023 (EST)
 
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::Actually HylianAngel, the top quote on Alfonso's page ''is'' a quote lazy villagers say in ''New Horizons'', just that "This place" is replaced with whatever you named your island. Just a warning that the source I am about to provide does contain some very crude language, but it's the only proof I was able to find of the quote being used in-game, so please bear with me on this one (quote is on the 4th pic): https://imgflip.com/i/43nbpn
 
  
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::That being said, I don't really mind it being Alfonso's top quote since the website does make that association. [[File:Snapping Turtle NH Icon.png|25px]]'''The [[User:The Jacketed Terrapin|<span style="color: blue;">Jacketed</span>]] [[User talk:The Jacketed Terrapin|<span style="color: green;">Terrapin</span>]]'''[[File:Soft-Shelled Turtle NH Icon.png|25px]] 18:31, March 11, 2023 (EST)
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:You're probably now thinking "But if this isn't going to be a talk page anymore, we won't be able to add new sections." I think there is a way to get around that, though, but I can't remember what it is right now. You definitely see it on Wikipedia with their village pump, admin noticeboard etc.
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:::Thanks, I should have worded it more clearly that it's a unique association. I did remember the dialogue from playing NH, so saying "completely unique" was not entirely correct when I was trying to convey my reasoning. [[User:HylianAngel|HylianAngel]] ([[User talk:HylianAngel|talk]]) 18:34, March 11, 2023 (EST)
 
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:I wanted to mention that I went ahead and added the unique dialogue involving New Year's Day for unique species-personality combos to the "Trivia" sections of the involved pages, but only for bulls/cows (2021), tigers (2022), and rabbits (2023). So this would be [[Coach]], [[Norma]], [[Patty]], [[Rolf]], [[Claudia]], [[Gaston]], [[Coco]], and [[Mira]].
 
  
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:I didn't add the dialogue for future years yet, which would be horses (2026), sheep (2027), monkeys (2028), birds (2029), dogs (2030), pigs (2031), and mice (2032). Actually, from reading the dialogue files, it's unclear if Year of the Rooster (2029) will apply to all bird-related species (birds, ducks, eagles, ostriches, penguins, and chickens), a subset of these bird species, or just chickens themselves. The dialogue specifically says "Year of the Bird," or "Year of the Rooster," depending on the personality type of the speaking villager, but mostly these dialogues state "Year of the Bird." Unless someone time travels to 2029 and checks each species, or unless a dataminer could examine the code, it probably won't be known. Anyways, I felt it would make sense to just add the dialogue for 2021-2023 and not the future years yet. However, I wouldn't be against adding the future years either. [[User:HylianAngel|HylianAngel]] ([[User talk:HylianAngel|talk]]) 07:14, March 12, 2023 (EDT)
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:As for the name, I think Community Fountain is fine, but I wouldn't be opposed to changing it to something related to New Horizons. I don't think "The Bulletin Board" is a good idea; it might be confused with our old Bulletin Board forums. I have thought of "Community Plaza" or "Resident Services" as alternatives (although this page isn't really a service). [[User:Drago|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:green">Drago</span>]] [[User talk:Drago|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:purple">(talk)</span>]]    [[File:Drago PC Villager Icon.png|20px]] 10:40, October 1, 2021 (EDT)
  
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== Villager catchphrases ==
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::To make sure I'm understanding correctly, you're suggesting we move the content from Nookipedia talk:Community Fountain to Nookipedia:Community Fountain and delete the current content at Nookipedia:Community Fountain?
  
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I strongly believe that villager pages should have a dedicated section to their catchphrases in each language, in the same style as their given name in the "Names in other languages" section. Currently there is not a good place to describe the meaning of a villager's foreign catchphrases, so there are cases where the Japanese catchphrase holds some relevance to the character, but since there is no decent section to place it, it is instead placed at the top of the page, where it sits next to any relevant English given name and English catchphrase origin information. That location is somewhat awkward, since it's inconsistent to have the English given name, the English catchphrase, no Japanese given name (since Japanese name info is generally placed in the "Names in other languages" section), and then the Japanese catchphrase.
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::Not to put down the forums, but... I think you're giving their name recognition a bit too much credit, lol. Also I think it's a nice homage/call back to them. To be 100% honest... I was thinking to myself as I typed up the post "Wasn't there a Bulletin Boards site or forum or something? ...where am I remembering that from?" It's embarrassing to say I didn't remember that it used to be our own forum lol.
  
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If there was a dedicated section for catchphrases in other languages, it would not only allow describing any Japanese catchphrase relevance, but also the relevance of catchphrases of every other language as well, and there is currently no location to place non-English or non-Japanese catchphrase relevancy information. Basic "names in other languages" and "catchphrases in other languages" data exists in the infobox, and yet only the "names in other languages" is duplicated at the bottom of the page. I believe both should be at the bottom of the page.
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::I agree that it would be nice to change the name to relate to the most recent game, and I think The Town Tree would have been a good pick for ACNL, but I don't think that ACNH has many good options. Resident Services doesn't really make sense. Maybe The Roost? Would certainly capitalize on the hype, but I don't know if ACNH will become known for that (perhaps it's already infamous...). [[File:Sunmarshsignature.png|link=User:Sunmarsh]] '''<small><span style="font-variant:small-caps">([[User_talk:Sunmarsh|<span style="color:#7B7B7B">talk</span>]])</span></small>''' 19:58, October 1, 2021 (EDT)
  
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While the main article header would be "Names in other languages," there are 2 different formatting styles that could be implemented:
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:::At this point, following the latest Direct, I would support renaming this to "The Roost". [[User:Drago|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:green">Drago</span>]] [[User talk:Drago|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:purple">(talk)</span>]]    [[File:Drago PC Villager Icon.png|20px]] 10:49, October 18, 2021 (EDT)
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*The sub-headers are the words "Given name" and "Catchphrase."
 
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**Optionally and additionally, in combination with this style so that the name and catchphrase are extremely explicit, a parameter for the English name can be included, like how Fire Emblem Wiki does it ([[fireemblem:Marth#Etymology and other languages|example here]]). While it might be currently redundant with the English information included in the intro prose, I think it's fine for there to be redundant information, as many villager pages already do repeat redundant information (like the infobox repeating the foreign names information), and it can serve a very useful utility purpose if intros are ever repurposed to no longer include English name/catchphrase origins. Plus, it would allow for future "favorite sayings" English explanations, which no intros do unless it's related to the character's identity/species somehow, but I feel this would be good information to include no matter what.
 
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*The sub-headers are the character's actual name and catchphrase, like for example [[Sherb]], the sub-headers would be "Sherb" and "bawwww."
 
  
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I'm also open to other suggestions for the formatting style. I'm slightly partial to the first style, just because there might be a case where "favorite sayings" are also given their own dedicated section in the future, and the full saying might be weird as a header. What formatting do you think would be best? [[User:HylianAngel|HylianAngel]] ([[User talk:HylianAngel|talk]]) 14:50, April 4, 2023 (EDT), edited again on 16:11, April 22, 2023 (EDT)
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:{{Support}} - Per everyone. --[[User:Dr. Peach|Dr. Peach]] ([[User talk:Dr. Peach|talk]]) 15:04, October 1, 2021 (EDT)
  
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== I caught the spirit!! ==
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:{{Support}} per above. Also, I actually quite like the suggestion of renaming this space to "The Roost". The name also has the added bonus of being a consistent location throughout the series, so we wouldn't have to rebrand for each era of the series in future. :p --[[File:Shark HHD Icon.png|20px]] [[User:Dorsal Axe|<span style="color:#0B3E57; font-family: Coustard">Dorsal Axe</span>]] <span style="font-family: Coustard"><small>([[User talk:Dorsal Axe|talk]])</small></span> 12:21, October 15, 2021 (EDT)
  
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I caught farley!! ~[[File:SylveonSig.png|link=User:Sylveon|120px]] 08:51, April 11, 2023 (EDT)
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:{{Support}} per the above. '''~'''&nbsp;[[User:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#1C662A">'''AlexBot2004'''</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:black">Talk</span>]]) 00:20, October 20, 2021 (EDT)
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==Trig Jegman's File Template==
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===Rename Community Fountain to 'The Roost'===
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As I am sure you have seen, I've been working on the creation and generation of [[Module:Sandbox/Trig Jegman/File|my file module]] for Nookipedia. The time is now to suggest that it is used instead of the existing [[Template:File Info]].
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{{Archive top|result=Successful proposal '''(11-0)'''. [[User:Drago|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:green">Drago</span>]] [[User talk:Drago|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:purple">(talk)</span>]]    [[File:Drago PC Villager Icon.png|20px]] 11:38, October 26, 2021 (EDT)}}
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Given that a few of us have now discussed above renaming this space to 'The Roost', I figure why not open a separate discussion about this to avoid the original proposal from veering too far off-track.
  
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First, to be explicitly clear, this module would work the same as a template to the degree that I have made sure everything will retroactively work on it. '''Nothing would break by the implementation of the module.'''
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Personally I {{Support}} this name suggestion. --[[File:Shark HHD Icon.png|20px]] [[User:Dorsal Axe|<span style="color:#0B3E57; font-family: Coustard">Dorsal Axe</span>]] <span style="font-family: Coustard"><small>([[User talk:Dorsal Axe|talk]])</small></span> 15:32, October 18, 2021 (EDT)
  
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Second: My module is a lot beefier than the existing template is now. Here's the main takeaways:
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{{Support}} per my comments above. [[User:Drago|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:green">Drago</span>]] [[User talk:Drago|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:purple">(talk)</span>]]    [[File:Drago PC Villager Icon.png|20px]] 11:10, October 19, 2021 (EDT)
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*Combined licensing. No more need for having 33 different licensing templates, when the module will take care of all of them collectively.
 
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*More maintenance parameters and a closer analysis of sourcing. There are several maintenance features included, such as files taken from FANDOM sources or YouTube.
 
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*Predesignated sources for when the user captures an image themself.
 
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*Automatic categorization. This is the big one: Through the introduction of two new parameters (game and type), files will now automatically be categorized into their appropriate categories, making widescale changes easier and formatting more consistent.
 
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*This is an excellent opportunity to look at all of the files on site and reduce duplicates, fix naming, improve quality, and get specific sources amongst other tasks.
 
  
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I wouldn't propose this if I didn't have great success in implementing this before. I have completely added this style of template to '''every single file''' on WiKirby, Wars Wiki, Inkipedia, MiiWiki, The Cycle: Frontier, as well as partial completion on Mystery Dungeon Francise Wiki, FamiWiki, and StrategyWiki. I've done it before and I'm more than happy to do it again to get this implemented. I really think that having this upgrade is a valuable resource and helps create consistency both on this site and in conjunction with other wikis as well. [[User_talk:Trig_Jegman/Sandbox|I have a few examples of use cases here]] to understand what it might look like. The new parameters are the following:
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{{Support}} per DorsalAxe's rationale in above section. --<span class="jake-signature">[[User:Jake|<span class="jake-signature-name" style="font-family:Coustard,Verdana; color:#f73422; text-shadow: #e0e0e0 1px 1px 0;">Jake</span>]] [[User_talk:Jake|<span class="jake-signature-talk" style="font-family:Coustard,Verdana; color:#f75b22; text-shadow: #e0e0e0 1px 1px 0;">(talk)</span>]]</span> 11:20, October 19, 2021 (EDT)
  
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*Game — Allows an automatic link to a game, and can work to add automatic categories.
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{{Support}} per DorsalAxe's comments in the above section. [[User:Ruthless Cutie|<span style="color:#DA70D6;font-family:Zapfino;text-shadow:1px 1px #40E0D0">R</span><span style="color:#DA70D6; font-family:Sans Serif;font-weight:100;text-shadow:1px 1px #40E0D0">uthless</span> <span style="color:#DA70D6; font-family:Zapfino;text-shadow:1px 1px #40E0D0">C</span><span style="color:#DA70D6; font-family:Sans;font-weight:100;text-shadow:1px 1px #40E0D0">utie</span>]][[File:Lolly NH Villager Icon.png|20px|link=User:Ruthless Cutie]][[User Talk:Ruthless Cutie|<span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Verdana;font-variant:small-caps;color:#DB7093">(Say hello :])</span>]] 19:54, October 19, 2021 (EDT)
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*Type/Meta — These two pull from a determined list of common types (such as Artwork, Screenshots, Amiibo, or User Files) in order to automatically categorize files. The difference between type and meta is that type will categorize based off the game entry (New Leaf sprites), meta will only do off the type (Sprites).
 
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*User — Used for user files or when attributing the source to someone else.
 
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*Author — At the suggestion/request of [[User:SuperHamster|Shams]], useful for creative commons files.
 
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*License — All those licensing templates are here now
 
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*Fandom/Youtube — By setting these to yes, it places files taken from these less than desirable locations into a maintenance category for replacement.
 
  
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I'm happy to make more examples, or give breakdowns of how I would go about fixing these, or answer any questions about it. Please let me know how you feel about implementing it on Nookipedia as well! [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 13:22, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
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{{Support}} - Sounds good to me! Thanks for making this a proper section/suggestion. [[File:Sunmarshsignature.png|link=User:Sunmarsh]] '''<small><span style="font-variant:small-caps">([[User_talk:Sunmarsh|<span style="color:#7B7B7B">talk</span>]])</span></small>''' 21:05, October 19, 2021 (EDT)
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:{{Support}} - Everything here looks great! The combined licensing and automatic categorization are especially welcome additions; I can't think of anything at the moment that I'd add or change. '''~'''&nbsp;[[User:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#1C662A">'''AlexBot2004'''</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:black">Talk</span>]]) 01:08, July 6, 2023 (EDT)
 
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:{{Support}} I think this could work. I do believe though that if we agree on this more, we should set up a proposal to implement. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 16:41, September 5, 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== New Horizons villager box item capitalization ==
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{{Support}} per the above. '''~'''&nbsp;[[User:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#1C662A">'''AlexBot2004'''</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:black">Talk</span>]]) 00:20, October 20, 2021 (EDT)
  
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{{U|PanchamBro}}'s bot fixed the capitalization of {{NH|short|nolink}} items on almost all villager pages, but since [[Jacob|Jacob/Jakey]] and [[Spork|Spork/Crackle]] have 2 different names, I think the bot skipped over those two. Making a note here that it needs to eventually be fixed, don't have time to fix it myself at the moment. [[User:HylianAngel|HylianAngel]] ([[User talk:HylianAngel|talk]]) 15:51, July 29, 2023 (EDT)
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{{Support}} per above. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 01:14, October 20, 2021 (EDT)
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:This should be fixed now! -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 01:05, August 2, 2023 (EDT)
 
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::Thank you! [[User:HylianAngel|HylianAngel]] ([[User talk:HylianAngel|talk]]) 20:51, August 4, 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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==wanna join my club???==
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{{Support}} per above too! [[User:vmario97|<span style="color:green">v</span><span style="color:red">mario</span><span style="color:purple">97</span>]] <span style="color:blue">[[User talk:Vmario97|(talk)]]</span> 01:37, October 20, 2021 (EDT)
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it is called bob fan club {{Unsigned|FroggyPotter}}
 
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:Sure. Thanks, --[[User:SunsetBay|<span style="font-family:Inconsolata;color:#CB6AE7">SunsetBay</span>]] ([[User talk:SunsetBay|<span style="font-family:Inconsolata;color:#E283ED">Talk</span>]]) [[File:Margie NL Villager Icon.png|25px]] 05:31, September 5, 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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==Help with Cargo Tables==
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{{Support}} per above, better tie in to Animal Crossing. '''~[[User:SuperHamster|''<span style="color:#07517C;">Super</span>''<span style="color:#6FA23B;">Hamster</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]] [[Special:Contribs/SuperHamster|Contribs]]</small> 02:13, October 20, 2021 (EDT)
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Are there any resources to help figure out how they work? If not can some please explain them to me? [[User:TheMajesticPineapple|TheMajesticPineapple]] ([[User talk:TheMajesticPineapple|talk]]) 22:56, August 24, 2023 (EDT)
 
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:Here are a couple of resources:
 
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:* https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cargo (also check out the [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cargo/Storing_data Storing data] and [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cargo/Querying_data Querying data] subpages)
 
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:* https://help.fandom.com/wiki/Extension:Cargo
 
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:* https://support.wiki.gg/wiki/Cargo
 
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:My personal understanding of it is that the gist of it is that you'll have a template for a type of page with a bunch of input fields. In the template you say that inputs in those fields get stored in a big behind-the-scenes table. You can then create a cargo query table to list specific stuff from that big table on any page you want. For better understanding the template side of things it helps to look at templates that use cargo, and for cargo query tables it helps to look at and compare different pages that use different cargo queries. Hope this helps a bit! [[User:Bassieeee|Bassieeee]] ([[User talk:Bassieeee|talk]]) 07:19, August 25, 2023 (EDT)
 
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::Thank you so much, I couldn't find anything on them anywhere.
 
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::[[User:TheMajesticPineapple|TheMajesticPineapple]] ([[User talk:TheMajesticPineapple|talk]]) 09:30, August 25, 2023 (EDT)
 
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:[[Nookipedia:Project Database]] has some good  information on cargo tables, and we have a channel for discussing cargo tables on our Discord server. --[[User:BladeofEvilsBane|BladeofEvilsBane]] ([[User talk:BladeofEvilsBane|talk]]) 19:00, August 26, 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Ideas. ==
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{{Support}} per above. {{User:Kalina70/Sig}} 09:47, October 20, 2021 (CEST)
  
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1. Project Trivia. A project focused on trivia. I would be happy to lead this project.
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{{Support}} for the same reason as SuperHamster. [[User:Petaldancer66|''Petaldancer66'']] {[[User talk:Petaldancer66|''talk'']]}[[File:Lavender.png|18px]] 21:32, October 23, 2021 (EDT)
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Thanks, --[[User:SunsetBay|<span style="font-family:Inconsolata;color:#CB6AE7">SunsetBay</span>]] ([[User talk:SunsetBay|<span style="font-family:Inconsolata;color:#E283ED">Talk</span>]]) [[File:Margie NL Villager Icon.png|25px]] 14:29, September 5, 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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:Going to lean with the former not being necessary. Trivia as a whole is not an inherent ''requirement'' for pages to have, and in many instances (broadly across all wikis, not exclusively here), people get really obsessed with adding trivia points that would much better be served in main article sections like descriptions or are so vague or stretches that they aren't inherently useful—I'd be concerned a project like that would encourage something like that. If the project was to perhaps update and consolidate or re-integrate trivia, I would be more on board.
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:The idea of a debate club is cool, but it's not really what a wiki is for. Furthermore, the format of a wiki isn't terribly constructive for a rapid-fire debate club style of writing/conversation. I would suggest joining an Animal Crossing discord (or making your own) for something like this.
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{{Archive top|result=Successful proposal ('''5-0'''). [[User:Drago|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:green">Drago</span>]] [[User talk:Drago|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:purple">(talk)</span>]]    [[File:Drago PC Villager Icon.png|20px]] 12:58, October 12, 2021 (EDT)}}
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:These are just my opinions on the matter, hope it helps. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 02:28, September 28, 2023 (EDT)
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I'd like to propose [[User:Dorsal Axe/Sandbox/Durian|this]] written by Dorsal Axe as our new Protection Policy. It looks pretty much complete and I already made a few suggestions that were implemented. Please list your support/opposition here, thanks! [[User:Drago|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:green">Drago</span>]] [[User talk:Drago|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:purple">(talk)</span>]]    [[File:Drago PC Villager Icon.png|20px]] 12:07, October 5, 2021 (EDT)
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:{{Support}} - Looks great! Very thoughtfully done, thank you {{u|Dorsal Axe}} for the time/effort spent, and {{u|Drago}} for providing suggestions/feedback.{{)}} [[File:Sunmarshsignature.png|link=User:Sunmarsh]] '''<small><span style="font-variant:small-caps">([[User_talk:Sunmarsh|<span style="color:#7B7B7B">talk</span>]])</span></small>''' 13:43, October 5, 2021 (EDT)
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:{{Support}} - Looks nice and great for a policy page. --[[User:Dr. Peach|Dr. Peach]] ([[User talk:Dr. Peach|talk]]) 13:07, October 6, 2021 (EDT)
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:{{Support}} - Looks good to me. I will have to go over things more thoroughly prior to implementation to ensure everything is possible, but as it stands, this is a great improvement. --<span class="jake-signature">[[User:Jake|<span class="jake-signature-name" style="font-family:Coustard,Verdana; color:#f73422; text-shadow: #e0e0e0 1px 1px 0;">Jake</span>]] [[User_talk:Jake|<span class="jake-signature-talk" style="font-family:Coustard,Verdana; color:#f75b22; text-shadow: #e0e0e0 1px 1px 0;">(talk)</span>]]</span> 15:22, October 6, 2021 (EDT)
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:{{Support}} per policy. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 18:35, October 6, 2021 (EDT)
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:{{Support}} - policy looks great and is very thorough. '''~'''&nbsp;[[User:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#1C662A">'''AlexBot2004'''</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:black">Talk</span>]]) 15:20, October 9, 2021 (EDT)
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== writeapidenied on login via API using a Bot password ==
  
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== Discussing our proposal system ==
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When I try to log in using a Bot password from {{user|Autotroph}}, I am received with the following message. Note that <code><nowiki>MY_PASSWORD_HERE</nowiki></code> is the bot password, and <code><nowiki>TOKEN_I_ACQUIRED</nowiki></code> is from [https://nookipedia.com/w/api.php?action=help&modules=query%2Btokens the tokens API with type=login]:
  
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I'm starting to think non-Trustees shouldn't make proposals here. While so far we only had FroggyPotter's recent proposal asking for "one staff to be active at all time", I get this feeling that users not acquainted with policy-making will go to the proposal system for something that isn't a change affecting "a large number of pages or users".
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$ curl -v --request POST "https://nookipedia.com/w/api.php?action=login&lgname=Autotroph@Bruh&lgpassword=MY_PASSWORD_HERE&lgtoken=TOKEN_I_ACQUIRED&format=json" | jq
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  % Total    % Received % Xferd  Average Speed  Time    Time    Time  Current
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                                Dload  Upload  Total  Spent    Left  Speed
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  0    0    0    0    0    0      0      0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:--    0*  Trying 159.203.175.115:443...
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* TCP_NODELAY set
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*  Trying 2604:a880:800:10::5f5:1:443...
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* TCP_NODELAY set
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* Immediate connect fail for 2604:a880:800:10::5f5:1: Network is unreachable
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* Connected to nookipedia.com (159.203.175.115) port 443 (#0)
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* ALPN, offering h2
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* ALPN, offering http/1.1
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* successfully set certificate verify locations:
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*  CAfile: /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt
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  CApath: /etc/ssl/certs
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} [5 bytes data]
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* TLSv1.3 (OUT), TLS handshake, Client hello (1):
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} [512 bytes data]
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* TLSv1.3 (IN), TLS handshake, Server hello (2):
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{ [122 bytes data]
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* TLSv1.3 (IN), TLS handshake, Encrypted Extensions (8):
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{ [10 bytes data]
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* TLSv1.3 (IN), TLS handshake, Certificate (11):
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{ [4048 bytes data]
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* TLSv1.3 (IN), TLS handshake, CERT verify (15):
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{ [264 bytes data]
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* TLSv1.3 (IN), TLS handshake, Finished (20):
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{ [36 bytes data]
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* TLSv1.3 (OUT), TLS change cipher, Change cipher spec (1):
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} [1 bytes data]
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* TLSv1.3 (OUT), TLS handshake, Finished (20):
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} [36 bytes data]
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* SSL connection using TLSv1.3 / TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256
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* ALPN, server did not agree to a protocol
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* Server certificate:
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*  subject: CN=nookipedia.com
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*  start date: Sep 28 21:50:52 2021 GMT
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*  expire date: Dec 27 21:50:51 2021 GMT
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*  subjectAltName: host "nookipedia.com" matched cert's "nookipedia.com"
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*  issuer: C=US; O=Let's Encrypt; CN=R3
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*  SSL certificate verify ok.
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} [5 bytes data]
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> POST /w/api.php?action=login&lgname=Autotroph@Bruh&lgpassword=MY_PASSWORD_HERE&lgtoken=TOKEN_I_ACQUIRED&format=json HTTP/1.1
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> Host: nookipedia.com
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> User-Agent: curl/7.68.0
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> Accept: */*
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>
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{ [5 bytes data]
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* TLSv1.3 (IN), TLS handshake, Newsession Ticket (4):
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{ [57 bytes data]
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* TLSv1.3 (IN), TLS handshake, Newsession Ticket (4):
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{ [57 bytes data]
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* old SSL session ID is stale, removing
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{ [5 bytes data]
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* Mark bundle as not supporting multiuse
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< HTTP/1.1 200 OK
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< server: nginx/1.18.0 (Ubuntu)
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< date: Mon, 01 Nov 2021 10:30:02 GMT
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< content-type: application/json; charset=utf-8
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< x-content-type-options: nosniff
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< mediawiki-api-error: writeapidenied
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< x-frame-options: DENY
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< content-disposition: inline; filename=api-result.json
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< cache-control: private, must-revalidate, max-age=0
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< x-request-id: f6e7719b7bb38ebcfa5bbbf3
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< x-varnish: 42719977
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< age: 0
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< via: 1.1 varnish (Varnish/6.2)
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< accept-ranges: bytes
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< content-length: 341
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<
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{ [341 bytes data]
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100  341  100  341    0    0    335      0  0:00:01  0:00:01 --:--:--  335
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* Connection #0 to host nookipedia.com left intact
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{
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  "error": {
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    "code": "writeapidenied",
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    "info": "You're not allowed to edit this wiki through the API.",
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    "*": "See https://nookipedia.com/w/api.php for API usage. Subscribe to the mediawiki-api-announce mailing list at &lt;https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-api-announce&gt; for notice of API deprecations and breaking changes."
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  }
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}
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What do you think? Should we limit the creation of proposal to only Trustees or not? -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 16:32, September 5, 2023 (EDT)
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This also affects tools such as AWB. Have some settings changed in the last few months? The last time I used a bot was [[Special:Diff/614459|in 7 August 2021]]. [[File:Lucky Clover NL Icon.png|x24px|link=User:Decomposer]][[User talk:Decomposer|{{colorshow|006600|Decomposer}}]] 06:36, November 1, 2021 (EDT)
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:Ouch. Both [[User:Vmario97]] and myself have also experienced this error when trying to use PyWikiBot. Oddly enough, it only happens on Windows for me - PyWikiBot continues to work fine on my Mac. Not sure the source of this error, but we'll continue to investigate. Also CCing [[User:Jake]]. '''~[[User:SuperHamster|''<span style="color:#07517C;">Super</span>''<span style="color:#6FA23B;">Hamster</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]] [[Special:Contribs/SuperHamster|Contribs]]</small> 16:38, November 2, 2021 (EDT)
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:Just thinking out loud here. We recently upgraded to MediaWiki 1.35.4, so I took at the [[mw:Release_notes/1.35|release notes]] to see if I can find anything related. There was a change to the login process ("Mark ApiClientLogin/ApiLogin as requiring write mode"), but we already grant bots the <code>writeapi</code> user right, so...there shouldn't be an issue there. '''~[[User:SuperHamster|''<span style="color:#07517C;">Super</span>''<span style="color:#6FA23B;">Hamster</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]] [[Special:Contribs/SuperHamster|Contribs]]</small> 18:04, November 2, 2021 (EDT)
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::Actually, this is likely it! Most wikis grant everyone (including the unauthenticated) access to writeapi; we do not. As a result, logging in fails since it was marked as requiring writeapi in 1.35.4. '''~[[User:SuperHamster|''<span style="color:#07517C;">Super</span>''<span style="color:#6FA23B;">Hamster</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]] [[Special:Contribs/SuperHamster|Contribs]]</small> 20:35, November 2, 2021 (EDT)
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:::I have made this temporary adjustment until the upstream change is reverted by the MediaWiki core team, and I suspect API queries will now work as intended. I still have no idea why Mac users were not affected by this. --<span class="jake-signature">[[User:Jake|<span class="jake-signature-name" style="font-family:Coustard,Verdana; color:#f73422; text-shadow: #e0e0e0 1px 1px 0;">Jake</span>]] [[User_talk:Jake|<span class="jake-signature-talk" style="font-family:Coustard,Verdana; color:#f75b22; text-shadow: #e0e0e0 1px 1px 0;">(talk)</span>]]</span> 21:30, November 2, 2021 (EDT)
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::::Succeeded for me, thanks! Maybe my Mac still had a proper auth token or something ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ '''~[[User:SuperHamster|''<span style="color:#07517C;">Super</span>''<span style="color:#6FA23B;">Hamster</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]] [[Special:Contribs/SuperHamster|Contribs]]</small> 21:42, November 2, 2021 (EDT)
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::::Nice, it works for me as well. Thanks! [[File:Lucky Clover NL Icon.png|x24px|link=User:Decomposer]][[User talk:Decomposer|{{colorshow|006600|Decomposer}}]] 00:13, November 3, 2021 (EDT)
  
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*{{Comment}} I probably wouldn't support going that far; I think everyone should have a chance to submit their ideas as a proposal. We could limit to autoconfirmed, but that wouldn't help much.
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== New Leaf remixes ==
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:I do, however, think there should be an ability for admins to veto proposals that are clearly unnecessary or relate to how the staff operate, like there is on MarioWiki. FroggyPotter's proposal would fall into the latter category. [[User:Drago|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:green">Drago</span>]] [[User talk:Drago|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:purple">(talk)</span>]]    [[File:Drago PC Villager Icon.png|20px]] 10:46, September 6, 2023 (EDT)
 
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:*I dig an ability to veto a proposal that is unnecessary or is in regards to staff and all. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 16:32, September 7, 2023 (EDT)
 
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::*When overhauling Inkipedia's proposal system recently, we introduced a veto that would require three administrators to veto a proposal in a publicly listed third vote in order to shut things down. Not saying this is better or worse than the above listed, just that it is another option. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 02:28, September 28, 2023 (EDT)
 
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*{{Comment}} Agree with Drago on both points. [[User:Chubby Bub|Chubby Bub]] ([[User talk:Chubby Bub|talk]]) 21:00, September 6, 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Translating the wiki ==
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In many pages there are no NL remixes of K.K. Slider's music (SNES and House). In my opinion, they should be like Aircheck and Live. I was wondering about two option. '''Option 1''' Add two slots in Infobox Music to add NL remixes and '''Option 2''' add a small table for NL remixes. What do you think about it? If you have a better idea, please feel free to write, Thanks. {{User:Kalina70/Sig}} 19:15, November 4, 2021 (CET)
  
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I would like to translate the wiki to Italian. Does anyone know if I have to get permission or if there's a way to add new languages to pages?
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:It makes sense to me to add the New Leaf remixes to the infobox... unless there are even more versions from other games, in which case I would be more in favor of option 2. Are these files already on the wiki? [[File:Sunmarshsignature.png|link=User:Sunmarsh]] '''<small><span style="font-variant:small-caps">([[User_talk:Sunmarsh|<span style="color:#7B7B7B">talk</span>]])</span></small>''' 21:15, November 4, 2021 (EDT)
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Edit: I see both the Spanish and German version have gone separate ways but I was aiming to just add something to Nookipedia itself.
 
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[[User:FUGOSHROOM|FUGOSHROOM]] ([[User talk:FUGOSHROOM|talk]]) 15:20, October 14, 2023 (EDT)FUGOSHROOM
 
  
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== Delete single-character species pages ==
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::There are also versions like Music Box, Aircheck ("Cheap"), Aircheck ("Phono") and Aircheck ("Retro"), so I guess the table will make more sense. Probably not, but I know that [[User:Chubby Bub|Chubby Bub]] wants to upload NL music files. {{User:Kalina70/Sig}} 7:24, November 5, 2021 (CET)
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:::Personally I'd prefer a separate table for all the different mixes/variations. Otherwise the infobox is going to become quite large, and I don't think it's necessary to have every single version of a song in there to be honest. --[[File:Shark HHD Icon.png|20px]] [[User:Dorsal Axe|<span style="color:#0B3E57; font-family: Coustard">Dorsal Axe</span>]] <span style="font-family: Coustard"><small>([[User talk:Dorsal Axe|talk]])</small></span> 03:48, November 8, 2021 (EST)
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::::That's true, if it were all in the infobox it would be a big mess because there was too much of everything. I also found out that remixes are also in NH: HHP. {{User:Kalina70/Sig}} 8:57, November 9, 2021 (CET)
  
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There are currently 18 species pages for species that only contain a single character. All of them are no longer than one or two sentences, usually just describing what the character does or what they look like, which is already covered on that character's own article. Therefore, I propose that these pages be redirected to their respective characters' pages. The following pages would be affected by this:
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:I think a table is the way to go. But I have bigger ideas... I'm working on ripping every game, and hopefully at some point everything will be done... right now only NL is and I intend to upload it soon. But each K.K. song has a different amount of variations in each game, and those variations themselves differ from game to game. So I think we should include each of these under each game's section under '''Appearances''' on a song's page. Personally, I think the best way to do this would be to use [[Template:Music Box]] in a similar fashion to the first part of [[User:SuperHamster/Sandbox/Red|SuperHamster's sandbox here]], with each box representing a variation of the song per game. For example, under a song's "In {{NL|short|nolink}}" section, we would have boxes for Live, Aircheck, Music Box, DJ KK House, and DJ KK NES. And text could go in these sections describing relevant aspects of the songs and how they changed in between games. [[User:Chubby Bub|Chubby Bub]] ([[User talk:Chubby Bub|talk]]) 03:09, November 9, 2021 (EST)
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{{Columns-list|
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::Great idea, also this template looks fantastic, it will definitely be great for music pages! {{User:Kalina70/Sig}} 10:21, November 9, 2021 (CET)
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*[[Axolotl]] ([[Dr. Shrunk]])
 
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*[[Camel]] ([[Saharah]])
 
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*[[Fox]] ([[Redd]])
 
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*[[Frill-necked lizard]] ([[Frillard]])
 
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*[[Fur seal]] ([[Phineas]])
 
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*[[Giraffe]] ([[Gracie]])
 
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*[[Gray langur]] ([[Niko]])
 
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*[[Gyroid (species)]] ([[Lloid]])
 
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*[[Manatee]] ([[Wardell]])
 
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*[[Panther]] ([[Katrina]])
 
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*[[Peacock]] ([[Pavé]])
 
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*[[Pigeon]] ([[Brewster]])
 
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*[[Reindeer]] ([[Jingle]])
 
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*[[Skunk]] ([[Kicks]])
 
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*[[Sloth]] ([[Leif]])
 
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*[[Tapir]] ([[Luna]])
 
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*[[Turkey]] ([[Franklin]])
 
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*[[Walrus]] ([[Wendell]])
 
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:{{Comment}} For the most part, I don't have any attachment to the single-special-character species pages, though it would be a loss for the [[fox]], [[gray langur]], [[peacock]], and [[reindeer]] pages specifically, since those happen to have additional information involving related villagers that are depicted to be the same as those species, in appearance only (e.g. [[Audie]] and [[Chief]] on the fox page). Though that's not to say it means we should keep these species pages, because it's not like there's pages for every unique portrayal of an animal villager species (like zebra for [[Savannah]], flamingo for [[Flora]], etc.), just the villagers that coincidentally line up with special character species. Though I felt like it was worth noting for a fuller picture for the vote. [[User:HylianAngel|HylianAngel]] ([[User talk:HylianAngel|talk]]) 03:00, December 21, 2023 (EST)
 
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:{{Support}} I feel there isn't much point in giving a species a dedicated article if there's only one character of said species, cuz there really isn't much (if anything) the species page can cover that the character's article can't (lest we wanna fill 'em with a bunch of real-world info that has no relevancy to the character/series).<br>I also noticed that the axolotl page has an image of its real-life counterpart, with the only other species page with this distinction being [[raccoon]]. Admittedly I question the necessity of these images (mostly the raccoon dog pic, anyway), but I'll save that for different discussion, I just wanted to bring it up. [[File:Snapping Turtle NH Icon.png|25px]]'''The [[User:The Jacketed Terrapin|<span style="color: blue;">Jacketed</span>]] [[User talk:The Jacketed Terrapin|<span style="color: green;">Terrapin</span>]]'''[[File:Soft-Shelled Turtle NH Icon.png|25px]] 14:00, December 21, 2023 (EST)
 
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:{{Comment}} I feel that it ''would'' be a good cleanup, but yeah,  as stated above, some pages show some details, like [[Julia]] resembling a [[Peacock]] or [[Deli]] looking like a gray tangur, although they are listed under different species. '''''[[User:Briky|Briky]]'''''[[File:Emotion Greetings NH Icon.png|30px]] 02:44, January 6, 2024 (EST)
 
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:{{Oppose}} While I get the reasons behind this, I think we shouldn't rule out the possibilities of new characters based on these species in case if future ''Animal Crossing'' games comes around. Case in point: ''New Horizons'' brought several new characters like [[C.J.]], [[Flick]], [[Daisy Mae]] and [[Gullivarrr]], which represents beaver, chameleon, boar and seagull respectively, which prior to ''New Horizons'' also have only one characters. If they didn't get introduced, these species pages might possibly be on jeopardy as well. There's also some trivia but notable mentions like from [[Erik]] and Julia which were easily found in these species pages. For these reasons, I have to disagree with this. <span style="background:linear-gradient(0deg,blue,cyan); -webkit-background-clip:text !important; -webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;">'''''[[User:Starry Windy|Starry Windy]]'''''</span>[[User talk:Starry Windy|<span style="color:gold">★</span>]] 18:47, January 6, 2024 (EST)
 
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::If more characters in these species are introduced in later games, then we can recreate these pages then. But as it is now, these pages don't offer any information that isn't already on the character's page. I agree that it's worth noting the villagers who resemble some of these species, but that can be noted on that villager's page in the "Appearance" section. '''~'''&nbsp;[[User:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#1C662A">'''AlexBot2004'''</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:black">Talk</span>]]) 18:55, January 6, 2024 (EST)
 
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:{{Comment}} Could we not merge them all into a single page? --[[File:Shark HHD Icon.png|20px]] [[User:Dorsal Axe|<span style="color:#0B3E57; font-family: Coustard">Dorsal Axe</span>]] <span style="font-family: Coustard"><small>([[User talk:Dorsal Axe|talk]])</small></span> 04:31, February 4, 2024 (EST)
 
  
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== Use screenshots instead of artwork on special character pages ==
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== Add the villager's Japanese name in main prose ==
  
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Right now, on special character pages in the "Appearances" sections for each game, we generally have artwork of that character from that game. However, I think screenshots from that game would be much more useful to readers, both in showing how the character appears/works in each game, and to better illustrate what is being described in the prose. I think artwork doesn't really add much and is better suited for the character's gallery page. '''~'''&nbsp;[[User:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#1C662A">'''AlexBot2004'''</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:black">Talk</span>]]) 16:44, December 25, 2023 (EST)
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There's a concerning amount of readers who often gloss over our villager articles simply due to the fact that we lack the Japanese names in the main prose, both in the original language and romanized. I would suggest adding this information in so that people will understand their Japanese name more. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 11:54, November 11, 2021 (EST)
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:{{Support}} That's the most logical system for portraying the content and how it should consistently be everywhere. I think the only reason why it's not already like that is because of the lack of special character screenshots for each game in the series. [[Blanca]] and [[Katie]] in the older games would be especially difficult. [[User:HylianAngel|HylianAngel]] ([[User talk:HylianAngel|talk]]) 20:38, January 6, 2024 (EST)
 
  
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== Cantonese spelling ==
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:Regarding "concerning amount" - on Discord you mentioned one user, is there more? '''~[[User:SuperHamster|''<span style="color:#07517C;">Super</span>''<span style="color:#6FA23B;">Hamster</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]] [[Special:Contribs/SuperHamster|Contribs]]</small> 12:05, November 11, 2021 (EST)
  
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I'm not sure if it's alright to create a new section here because I've covered this on several threads before, but I think it would be a good time to discuss which kind of spelling that will be used on Cantonese romanizations. As described on previous threads, I'm not a Cantonese speaker, but I wanted the Cantonese spellings to be filled. The thing is, Cantonese has several known spellings which makes me not sure which one to put in.
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::I believe there are two additional users who aren't too pleased with the fact that we omit their Japanese name from the prose. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 19:56, November 11, 2021 (EST)
  
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You see, Yale romanization and Jyutping are two of the things that I considered. Yale seems to be used in a certain NIWA sites that I know of, like Bulbapedia, and some of the spellings here are Yale-esque. On other side, Jyutping is considered to be newer, and sites like Wiktionary seems to be fond of using it. I'll give some examples for comparison, but I'm taking cues from a certain pinyin converter, so I'm not 100% sure if it's accurate, but here goes:
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:I agree that we should add the Japanese name to the prose for villagers without an official English name. I also think we should do so for villagers who received an official English name in the most recent main-series Animal Crossing title (in this case, {{NH|short}}), as up to that point they have been known by their Japanese name longer than their English name. As for villager pages generally, I don't see it being particularly useful to readers. If there is something of interest having to do with their Japanese name it can be mentioned in the Trivia section or in their introduction. [[File:Sunmarshsignature.png|link=User:Sunmarsh]] '''<small><span style="font-variant:small-caps">([[User_talk:Sunmarsh|<span style="color:#7B7B7B">talk</span>]])</span></small>''' 16:05, November 12, 2021 (EST)
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::This is something we used to have, but was stripped out to give equal prominence to all supported languages. I'm not really for or against reinstating it, though I agree with Sunmarsh's suggestion above that this would be best for characters that haven't been localised.
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::I do think the lack of romanisations in the infobox is a big problem however, not just for Japanese, but all non-Latin-based languages. I saw the idea of improving [[Template:Tt]] was floated on the Discord, but I'm against that as it's still not intuitive and has accessibility concerns (and quite frankly, that template just needs to ''go'' at this point). I think it would be straightforward enough to add the romanisations into [[Template:Translation]] in plain text. Though...I must admit I've never really understood why the infoboxes even contain this information in the first place, given that we have a dedicated section for languages on each character's article. It's always seemed a bit of unnecessary bloat to me. --[[File:Shark HHD Icon.png|20px]] [[User:Dorsal Axe|<span style="color:#0B3E57; font-family: Coustard">Dorsal Axe</span>]] <span style="font-family: Coustard"><small>([[User talk:Dorsal Axe|talk]])</small></span> 18:21, November 12, 2021 (EST)
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::{{Support}} re-adding the note to the Japan-only villagers and the returning ones from {{DnMe+|nolink}} in {{NH|short|nolink}} per sunmarsh. '''~'''&nbsp;[[User:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#1C662A">'''AlexBot2004'''</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:black">Talk</span>]]) 19:04, November 12, 2021 (EST)
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:I would {{Support}} this on all villager and special character pages using [[Template:Nihongo]], I think it's useful information especially as the Japanese names often convey info about the character it might be good to have as context before reading the article. Wikipedia often does the same thing for similar reasons, and the reason Japanese is of note is because that is the character's "original" name. I think it's better to be consistent than to just do some pages. That said, it's not that big of a deal to omit, as it's still present later in the article. As {{U|Dorsal Axe}} points out, there was talk of using the Tt template for infoboxes, but that discussion was actually about making it more clear, and accessible on other devices. I don't know if anything will come of it though. Plain text would work too. [[User:Chubby Bub|Chubby Bub]] ([[User talk:Chubby Bub|talk]]) 02:24, November 23, 2021 (EST)
  
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'''Blathers (傅達)'''<br>
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== Table for villager's catchphases ==
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Yale romanization: fuh daaht<br>
 
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Jyutping romanization: fu6 daat6
 
  
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'''Brewster (老闆)'''<br>
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I think would it be good if the [[catchphrase]] page contained a table with all the villager's catchphrases. It would be easier to find all villagers catchphrases instead of searching through pages. What do you think? {{User:Kalina70/Sig}} 16:21, November 12, 2021 (CET)
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Yale romanization: lóuh báan<br>
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:{{Support}} - sounds good to me! '''~'''&nbsp;[[User:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#1C662A">'''AlexBot2004'''</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:black">Talk</span>]]) 13:43, November 12, 2021 (EST)
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Jyutping romanization: lou5 baan2
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:{{Support}} - I also like this idea. [[User:Akuhime-sama|Akuhime-sama]] ([[User talk:Akuhime-sama|talk]]) 15:03, November 12, 2021 (EST)
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:{{Support}} - This is a great idea, thanks for the suggestion! [[File:Sunmarshsignature.png|link=User:Sunmarsh]] '''<small><span style="font-variant:small-caps">([[User_talk:Sunmarsh|<span style="color:#7B7B7B">talk</span>]])</span></small>''' 16:06, November 12, 2021 (EST)
  
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'''Isabelle (西施惠)'''<br>
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== Establishing a formal proposal process for major wiki changes ==
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Yale romanization: sāi sī waih<br>
 
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Jyutping romanization: sai1 si1 wai6
 
  
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Now, I've been thinking three options. Option A is to have Yale romanization being used entirely, or Option B where Jyutping is used in all the pages. There's also Option C where Yale and Jyutping romanization being used side by side, even though I'm not sure if infoboxes would allow two of them. Or is there another way to do it? And what do you guys think? Please respond kindly, thanks. <span style="background:linear-gradient(0deg,blue,cyan); -webkit-background-clip:text !important; -webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;">'''''[[User:Starry Windy|Starry Windy]]'''''</span>[[User talk:Starry Windy|<span style="color:gold">★</span>]] 11:15, January 3, 2024 (EST)
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I'd like to propose adding a new page to the Nookipedia namespace (Nookipedia:Proposals), and creating a new formal process for implementing large-scale changes to the wiki. In the past, we've simply used the Community Fountain for this purpose, have held discussions on individual talk pages, or have discussed externally (Bulletin Board Forums/Discord) before coming to consensus and then taking action. I think that both this page and other individual talk pages are great for inviting discussion on a topic, generating ideas, and getting feedback, but for proposals that impact a large amount of pages or users, I think there should be a more formal approval process so that everyone has a chance to participate in discussion before implementation. Here are some of the ideas I had for this proposal system:
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:I'm down to changing how we do romanizations in general. A thing that bothers me is that there aren't many good sites out there that can get us accurate romanizations for Japanese, Korean, and Chinese (like any of them really). Definitely a goal to be made when Project Languages comes into fruition. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 07:36, January 6, 2024 (EST)
 
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::Actually, I think Chinese romanizations are pretty much standardized. For Simplified Chinese, we often use [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinyin Hanyu Pinyin] which is widely used in Mainland China and Singapore according to Wikipedia, and is considered the international standard. And I'm pretty sure we've used this one in practically all articles that has it. Other notable romanizations include [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwoyeu_Romatzyh Gwoyeu Romatzyh] which was used back then but rarely so nowadays, and also Wade-Giles and Yale.
 
  
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::Speaking of Yale, it has two kinds of romanizations, one for Mandarin and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yale_romanization_of_Cantonese one for Cantonese]. The latter apparently is still widely used, it's systematic in how things are spelled, which somehow almost mirrors Hanyu Pinyin in some ways. Apart from Yale, I also think of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyutping Jyutping] as systematic spelling. And I haven't even get started on [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantonese_Pinyin Cantonese Pinyin], which is a real deal as well. Things to note, the reason I'm not sure on how accurate the Cantonese romanizations are is simply because I didn't learn much on Cantonese yet. <span style="background:linear-gradient(0deg,blue,cyan); -webkit-background-clip:text !important; -webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;">'''''[[User:Starry Windy|Starry Windy]]'''''</span>[[User talk:Starry Windy|<span style="color:gold">★</span>]] 08:45, January 6, 2024 (EST)
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* Proposals are necessary for changes that would affect a large number of pages or users. Some examples: rules/policy changes, adding/removing namespaces, making major modifications to/replacing templates that affect 1000+ pages.
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:::It's moreso the fact that it's harder to find sites that can auto-romanize them, but I do feel it's important to have someone experienced with that language to handle that romanization. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 08:48, January 6, 2024 (EST)
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* Proposals are for voting on fully worked out ideas. Proposals can be submitted without prior public comment or feedback, but should not receive major edits or changes once voting has started.
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::::Well, I do found one site for it. For the examples I gave above, I was taking reference from [https://hongkongvision.com/tool/cc_py_conv_en this site], and I find the spelling for [[Marina]] was a 100% match. It's from this site that I knew Bulbapedia used Yale spelling, too. Still, I also agreed that we need someone experienced on Cantonese, too. <span style="background:linear-gradient(0deg,blue,cyan); -webkit-background-clip:text !important; -webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;">'''''[[User:Starry Windy|Starry Windy]]'''''</span>[[User talk:Starry Windy|<span style="color:gold">★</span>]] 08:55, January 6, 2024 (EST)
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* The voting period for a proposal lasts a set period of time, similar to a staff application, and is open to vote and commentary from all editors.
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* At the end of the voting period, the support/oppose tally will be counted by a staff member, and a specific user will be assigned to implement the change (it could be the user who submitted the propsal, or a staff member, as necessary). This helps to make sure the change takes effect as promptly as possible once a decision has been reached.
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* Ideally, active proposals would be displayed on the main page, and staff members (or ribbot) could alert those with the Editor role on discord when a proposal is coming to a close.
  
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== A new Project? ==
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I'd love to hear your thoughts/feedback on this! [[File:Sunmarshsignature.png|link=User:Sunmarsh]] '''<small><span style="font-variant:small-caps">([[User_talk:Sunmarsh|<span style="color:#7B7B7B">talk</span>]])</span></small>''' 10:23, November 17, 2021 (EST)
  
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Idea: Project Languages! It would be centered around interwiki links and modifying the villagers' articles to make them more... accessible for those who don't speak English, such as links to the [https://animalcrossing.wikidex.net/wiki/Portada Spanish] and [https://animalcrossingwiki.de/ German] Animal Crossing wikis, and... More details in other languages than just the names, such as the photo quotes and catchphrases. You know, make the wiki more open to people who don't speak English. '''''[[User:Briky|Briky]]'''''[[File:Emotion Greetings NH Icon.png|30px]] 16:37, January 6, 2024 (EST)
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:{{Support}} It's a great idea to create Nookipedia: Proposals. Also, I think it would be helpful if this page had an instruction or something like rules. I really like the ideas you wrote, they would definitely be useful! {{User: Kalina70/Sig}} 20:48, November 17, 2021 (CET)
  
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I actually just looked at the [[Nookipedia_talk:The_Roost#Non-English_names_as_redirects.2Fdisambiguation_pages|top post]] here, so maybe we could combine this with that? And I ''also'' saw an idea that comes from 2021 on the [[Nookipedia_talk:Projects|Projects talk page]]: Something called "Project Linguistics". Well, if it's okay for the creator of the original idea, I think I've found the name for this project! '''''[[User:Briky|Briky]]'''''[[File:Emotion Greetings NH Icon.png|30px]] 16:43, January 6, 2024 (EST)
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:{{Support}} - I think a more formal proposal system would be very helpful in bringing more attention to proposals and preventing them from potentially getting buried here. '''~'''&nbsp;[[User:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#1C662A">'''AlexBot2004'''</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:black">Talk</span>]]) 21:08, November 17, 2021 (EST)
  
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==Possible Incorrect Genre for the Wild World Rubber Plant==
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:{{Comment}} So far this is looking good, and as the rest of the staff will know, I've long been a supporter of this idea. However, there's a few questions I'd like to ask before I consider a vote:
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:1. Will there be a minimum support percentage needed? What happens if there's a tie? Does the proposal get extended?
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:2. You've suggested that voting and commentary would be open to all editors. I agree that anyone should be able to comment, but allowing IP voting is not something I'm keen on. It would be too easy for someone to vote twice.
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:3. Regarding assigning someone to make the changes; this could work, but it could also get messy. Can you explain a little more on how this would work?
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:4. Will we just be limited to Support/Oppose proposals, or will we be able to create ones with three or more options (this could also get messy)?
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:Overall though, great work so far, and I look forward to seeing how this develops! [[User:Drago|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:green">Drago</span>]] [[User talk:Drago|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:purple">(talk)</span>]]    [[File:Drago PC Villager Icon.png|20px]] 12:23, November 18, 2021 (EST)
  
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Hi there! I've been playing Animal Crossing: Wild World quite a lot lately and had a villager that was into collecting Old-school furniture. The [[Item:Rubber_tree_(Wild_World)|Rubber Plant]] was in Nook's store and is on the old-school list, so I grabbed it. When I gave the villager the rubber plant, he rejected it saying it's not old-school. He refused to take it when I tried again. I'm not sure which genre it's supposed to be corrected to though. (Sorry if I'm doing this the wrong way, I'm new!)
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:::Answering your questions:
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[[User:MadRayne|MadRayne]] ([[User talk:MadRayne|talk]]) 16:21, January 8, 2024 (EST)
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::1. I had initially thought it would be simple pass/fail based on the number of support vs oppose votes, but I think it makes more sense to get 2/3 majority (similar to the adjustments put forward by {{u|SuperHamster}} at [[Nookipedia talk:Staff/Apply]]). This also solves the tie problem, as a tie vote would not be enough to pass. As far as proposal extensions are concerned, I think it should be at the discretion of the staff member(s) who is/are in charge of administering/closing the proposal process. So, an extension could be requested by the user who submitted the proposal, or it could be extended independently by a staff member, at their discretion.
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:It looks like all the items in the [[House Plant Set]] had incorrect genres; they have all been corrected to Chic. All the genres are now taken directly from the game's files, so there shouldn't be any more errors. Thank you for pointing this out! '''~'''&nbsp;[[User:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#1C662A">'''AlexBot2004'''</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:AlexBot2004|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:black">Talk</span>]]) 14:45, January 9, 2024 (EST)
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::2. I agree that all those who intend to vote must have an account/be logged in. Additionally, I think that only registered users should be able to put forth proposals.
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::3. After thinking about how assigning specific users (or even user ranks) would work, I think that it makes things a bit overly complicated. We would need to have some conversation about this among staff members, but I think that it could be the role of bureaucrats to administer/close voting on proposals, and then, if a proposal passes, they should then either enact the proposal themselves, or coordinate with other staff members to make sure the proposal is completed. Perhaps a bureaucrat is responsible for closing voting, and then whoever actually enacts the proposal follows up and adds a note to the closed proposal to confirm it has been completed. The bureaucrat could be responsible for adding the task to the Nookipedia Tasks board, for example. Alternatively, they might discuss the proposal implementation process in either the staff channel on Discord, or on some other channel explicitly created for handling proposals.
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::4. I think a proposal should not have any yet-to-be-determined components. It should be a complete proposal with no 'option a, b, or c'. This is why getting input prior to submitting the proposal (e.g. by posting about it here), should continue to be encouraged. [[File:Sunmarshsignature.png|link=User:Sunmarsh]] '''<small><span style="font-variant:small-caps">([[User_talk:Sunmarsh|<span style="color:#7B7B7B">talk</span>]])</span></small>''' 19:40, November 18, 2021 (EST)
  
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== Userbox question ==
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:::Thanks for the answers! These all sound like good solutions, so I'm now going to {{Support}} bringing in this system. [[User:Drago|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:green">Drago</span>]] [[User talk:Drago|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:purple">(talk)</span>]]    [[File:Drago PC Villager Icon.png|20px]] 11:40, November 19, 2021 (EST)
  
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Hiya im Ceariah im new to the wiki. Just a question how do you make a userbox? [[User:Ceariah|Ceariah]] ([[User talk:Ceariah|talk]]) 06:25, January 21, 2024 (EST)
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== Image gallery to infoboxes ==
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:You can go to the [[Userbox]] page to find some userboxes and a guide on how to use them. Have a good day and welcome to Nookipedia! '''''[[User:Briky|Briky]]''''' [[File:Emotion Greetings NH Icon.png|30px|If you know how to make this link to my talk page, please tell me!]] 12:28, January 24, 2024 (EST)
 
  
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== i got a black rose by accident ==
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Wouldn't it be good if infobox such as: Infobox Video Game, Infobox Location e.t.c had gallery (look at [[Isabelle]]'s infobox)? I think it would be easier to find a gallery. What do you think? {{User:Kalina70/Sig}} 12:11, November 19, 2021 (CET)
  
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woke up today to find a black rose, which surprised me because i don't even have a special red rose (i think), which you get by crossing a purple and an orange. i don't even have a purple rose anywhere in my town, only way i can see this happening is if theres another way to create a special red rose.  
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:{{Support}} - You're referring to the purple gallery button in the Infobox, right? I agree that it would be helpful on other types of pages, especially the game pages as they have tons of images. [[File:Sunmarshsignature.png|link=User:Sunmarsh]] '''<small><span style="font-variant:small-caps">([[User_talk:Sunmarsh|<span style="color:#7B7B7B">talk</span>]])</span></small>''' 10:08, November 19, 2021 (EST)
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[[File:NL Unintended Black Rose.png|thumb]]
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::Yes, I mean it. {{User:Kalina70/Sig}} 16:39, November 19, 2021 (CET)
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[[Category:Active discussions]] --[[User:Erick7477719|Erick7477719]] ([[User talk:Erick7477719|talk]]) 10:42, February 28, 2024 (EST)  
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:{{Support}} though I'm not sure this even really needs to be put to a vote. It's trivial to enable this, as the functionality is built directly into the base infobox template. All you have to do is add <code>subtitlebelow = gallery</code> to the infobox template and it will show this link if a gallery subpage exists. --[[File:Shark HHD Icon.png|20px]] [[User:Dorsal Axe|<span style="color:#0B3E57; font-family: Coustard">Dorsal Axe</span>]] <span style="font-family: Coustard"><small>([[User talk:Dorsal Axe|talk]])</small></span> 11:30, November 23, 2021 (EST)  
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:There is a chance that breeding red roses will give you a black rose. At least you got one! [[User:DriftveilBread|DriftveilBread]] ([[User talk:DriftveilBread|talk]]) 12:53, March 21, 2024 (EDT)
 
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::Water the black rose with a gold watering can and you might get a gold rose! [[File:Animal Crossing Leaf.png|20px]] [[User:Acnh Player|Acnh Player]] ([[User talk:Acnh Player|talk]]) [[File:Animal Crossing Leaf.png|20px]] 11:40, April 9, 2024 (EDT)
 
  
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==If I find vandalism, where should I report it?==
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Compliments to the person or people who made the random page/item generator! It's quite cool! [[User:MyDearDeirdre|MyDearDeirdre]] ([[User talk:MyDearDeirdre|talk]]) 13:33, November 19, 2021 (EST) Oh, and if this is in the wrong category, move it to the right one please! I'm new.
  
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Where do I report users? [[User:Acnh Player|Acnh Player]] ([[User talk:Acnh Player|talk]]) 23:55, March 24, 2024 (EDT)
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== Music in infoboxes ==
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:[[Nookipedia:Staff noticeboard]] is the best place on-wiki. '''~[[User:SuperHamster|''<span style="color:#07517C;">Super</span>''<span style="color:#6FA23B;">Hamster</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]] [[Special:Contribs/SuperHamster|Contribs]]</small> 00:07, March 25, 2024 (EDT)
 
  
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== Memes ==
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Thanks to {{u|Kalina70}}'s hard work, we have tables for each version of a song on K.K.'s song pages, and event and location pages have a similar music section. (They currently generally only have the versions from {{NL|short}} and {{NH|short}} since that's what I've finished ripping, but the rest are still to come.) Right now, the infoboxes for each of these types of pages has the newest and/or default version of the song, and the tables in the music section are missing these since they're in the infobox. I am proposing that at the very least all versions of the song are included in the table, and that perhaps they're unnecessary in the infobox at all now that we have dedicated music sections. [[User:Chubby Bub|Chubby Bub]] ([[User talk:Chubby Bub|talk]]) 02:09, November 23, 2021 (EST)
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:{{Support}} I think it would be good if that were the case as it doesn't make sense that there is two songs from NH in infobox, but the rest of the music from other games in the music section. Btw i can do it if proposal will be supported. {{User:Kalina70/Sig}} 13:44, November 23, 2021 (CET)
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:{{Support}} I've been thinking the same thing, and it's kind of confusing having it in both the infobox and the table. I think going forward, we should only have music in the infobox for video game articles (e.g. the main theme of the game) and articles for K.K. Slider songs (where each song is always the same across different games). --[[File:Shark HHD Icon.png|20px]] [[User:Dorsal Axe|<span style="color:#0B3E57; font-family: Coustard">Dorsal Axe</span>]] <span style="font-family: Coustard"><small>([[User talk:Dorsal Axe|talk]])</small></span> 11:26, November 23, 2021 (EST)
  
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Should users be allowed to post meme images related to animal crossing here? Vote underneath. [[File:ACL.png|20px]] [[User:Acnh Player|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#448EE4">'''Acnh Player'''</span>]] [[User talk:Acnh Player|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#1C662A">'''(talk)'''</span>]] [[File:ACL.png|20px]] 18:51, April 11, 2024 (EDT)
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== Realign the sections on our villager pages ==
  
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:No. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig Jegman]] - 00:31, April 12, 2024 (EDT)
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As of now, our villager pages are organized under this fashion (example from [[Rosie]]):
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:{{Oppose}} Sorry, but it's too off-topic for a website that has dedicated itself to making an encyclopedia about Animal Crossing. There's a channel on [[Nookipedia:Discord]] that is much more suitable for memes. [[User:Drago|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:green">Drago</span>]] [[User talk:Drago|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:purple">(talk)</span>]]    [[File:Drago PC Villager Icon.png|20px]] 11:12, April 12, 2024 (EDT)
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*1 Characteristics
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::I said "'''''Related to'''''" animal crossing. [[File:ACL.png|20px]] [[User:Acnh Player|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#448EE4">'''Acnh Player'''</span>]] [[User talk:Acnh Player|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#1C662A">'''(talk)'''</span>]] [[File:ACL.png|20px]] 11:14, April 12, 2024 (EDT)
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**1.1 Appearance
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:::They still wouldn't have any use on articles though. You could maybe upload them as personal images if they're not inappropriate. [[User:Drago|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:green">Drago</span>]] [[User talk:Drago|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:purple">(talk)</span>]]   [[File:Drago PC Villager Icon.png|20px]] 11:19, April 12, 2024 (EDT)
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**1.2 Personality
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:::If you're referring to a mainspace page that does allow ''Animal Crossing'' meme images, the closest thing would be the "Pop-culture phenomena" section on the "[[List of Animal Crossing references in other media]]" page, but I feel a meme should have widespread notability to be listed on that page lest it be severely bloated with unnoteworthy memes. [[File:Snapping Turtle NH Icon.png|25px]]'''The [[User:The Jacketed Terrapin|<span style="color: blue;">Jacketed</span>]] [[User talk:The Jacketed Terrapin|<span style="color: green;">Terrapin</span>]]'''[[File:Soft-Shelled Turtle NH Icon.png|25px]] 20:02, April 12, 2024 (EDT)
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*2 Villager information
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::::How about if you want to post memes it has to be approved by a staff first. [[File:ACL.png|20px]] [[User:Acnh Player|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#448EE4">'''Acnh Player'''</span>]] [[User talk:Acnh Player|<span style="font-family:Coustard;color:#1C662A">'''(talk)'''</span>]] [[File:ACL.png|20px]] 20:17, April 12, 2024 (EDT)
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**2.1 In Animal Crossing
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**2.2 In Wild World
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**2.3 In City Folk
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**2.4 In New Leaf
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**2.5 In New Horizons
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***2.5.1 In Happy Home Paradise
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*3 House
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**3.1 In Doubutsu no Mori and Doubutsu no Mori+
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**3.2 In Animal Crossing
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**3.3 In Wild World
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**3.4 In City Folk
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**3.5 In New Leaf
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**3.6 In New Horizons
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*4 Other appearances
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**4.1 In Gekijōban Doubutsu no Mori
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**4.2 In Happy Home Designer
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**4.3 In Pocket Camp
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**4.4 In Super Smash Bros. Brawl
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*5 Card profiles
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**5.1 Animal Crossing e-Reader card
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**5.2 amiibo cards
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*6 Gallery
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*7 Trivia
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*8 Names in other languages
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*9 See also
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*10 Notes
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*11 References
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Currently, we divide the other appearances section from the villager information section, but given how {{HHD}} and {{PC}} are still ''Animal Crossing'' games, we should move the {{HHD|short|nolink}} and {{PC|short|nolink}} sections up to villager information and leave the other appearances for {{Film}} and (if applicable) the ''Super Smash Bros. series'' and ''Mario Kart 8''. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 11:15, November 23, 2021 (EST)
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:{{Support}} - Makes sense to organize them in your suggested way.--[[User:Dr. Peach|Dr. Peach]] ([[User talk:Dr. Peach|talk]]) 13:10, November 23, 2021 (EST)

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