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==Defunct project==
Yeah, this project seems defunct. I don't want to leave it inside the navigational template if all it serves nowadays is a blast from the past. Same goes for every other project in that navigational template in this page. {{User:Mario/Sig}} 22:59, June 25, 2014 (EDT)
:Agreed. It ''is'' dead, and each furniture page does not deserve its own article, either, in my opinion. It may be a good idea to tag these pages with an 'archive' template and protect them. <big>[[User:Red Snapper|<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:darkred">Red</span>]] [[User talk:Red Snapper|<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:red">Snapper</span>]]</big> 15:21, July 15, 2014 (EDT)
::I agree, but if there's any interest to revive the project, let me know. Otherwise, this really isn't a "project" as it is a sort-of solo effort by me. {{User:Mario/Sig}} 16:12, July 15, 2014 (EDT)

:::I would love to assist, Mario. However before we go about making updates I think there needs to be a big discussion about how to best organize the furniture on the wiki. I'm not sure if this talk page is the best place for that, so in an attempt to engage more users in the discussion I've created [http://bulletinboardforums.com/threads/project-furniture-reboot.895/ a post] on the forums. If you're interested I encourage you to post your thoughts there. --[[User:Sunmarsh|sunmarsh]] ([[User talk:Sunmarsh|talk]]) 01:02, July 25, 2014 (EDT)
:::Thanks a lot, sunmarsh. I don't know how much traffic the forum gets, but it's worth a try. If there is further interest the revive the project, I will overhaul the page if I have time. {{User:Mario/Sig}} 18:04, July 25, 2014 (EDT)

==Would like to join the project==
I figured I could just add myself, seeing that I'm a staff member, but I'll follow the procedure written on the page. --[[User:XXSuperXXNintendoXx|XXSuperXXNintendoXx]] ([[User talk:XXSuperXXNintendoXx|talk]]) 20:39, July 26, 2014 (EDT)
:I'll add you in a moment. I just "borrowed" the staff cells because it looks better. {{User:Mario/Sig}} 20:41, July 26, 2014 (EDT)
::Could I be a member too? I will work hard. - [[User:HomerJC|HomerJC]] ([[User talk:HomerJC|talk]]) 17:05, July 25, 2015 (EDT)

==Request to join (sunmarsh) + questions==
Thanks much for revamping this page, Mario. Just a few notes: In the 'Tables' subsection I think we should encourage the use of <nowiki>{{ItemList PG}}, {{ItemList WW}}, and {{ItemList CF}}</nowiki>. Additionally, we will need to create new sections and templates for AF, AF+ and AFe+ items on each series, theme, and set page. On the subject of tables, I think we should decide on rules for alignment. I am personally in favor of every cell being center aligned with the exception of the item name which should be left aligned. What do you guys think? 

In regard to images, I know that some series pages have a gallery (usually of ACNL images). Do these images need to be removed and placed into the tables? Also, some of the pages have a picture of the entire series at the top (from ACCF)- do we want all pages to include this before we mark them as complete? And do we want to try and update that picture through ACNL (seeing as every existing series got an additional wall item)?. --[[User:Sunmarsh|sunmarsh]] ([[User talk:Sunmarsh|talk]]) 22:09, July 26, 2014 (EDT)
:Ooo, I didn't know those item list templates are there. I'll add them if I'm not as busy as heck (and itching to play some computer games). Most subjects should be center-aligned anyway; the aligning of item prices to the right baffles me.

:The gallery images should be incorporated into the tables. You don't even need an additional column; just add <nowiki><br></nowiki>, the wikitml equivalent of the "Enter" key in typing, and add the image. The entire series on the top, I recommend to have, since it gives readers a good impression how the items look in-game. Nevertheless, these images are usually not counted as completion for an article because it doesn't single out each furniture item; it's just an overall presentation for the series, in my opinion. We can update the picture through screenshots of ''New Leaf'', but actually *setting* up such images in-game takes a lot of time and devotion to the game, which is another reason those kinds of images are not required for completion. {{User:Mario/Sig}} 22:15, July 26, 2014 (EDT)
:P.S. Sorry for the delay, you are now part of Project Furniture! {{User:Mario/Sig}} 01:57, July 27, 2014 (EDT)

==Standard image size?==
It seems that we're using a width of 75px in tables, this is great, however if we have a larger image already on-hand, shouldn't we just resize it to 75px like so <nowiki>[[File:Image.jpg|75px]]</nowiki> rather than upload a new one? Also, shouldn't we try to upload an average-sized image so people are able to better view the furniture's details as opposed to uploading icon-sized images? --[[User:Sunmarsh|sunmarsh]] ([[User talk:Sunmarsh|talk]]) 20:08, July 27, 2014 (EDT)
:It's just to standardize the image sizes. Some images have been reuploaded to be consistent with the icon images. Also, taking pictures of images in-game wouldn't be much of a huge improvement in resolution compared to the icon-sized images, so it's not a huge loss. You can zoom in with the Dolphin Emulator, but that's the only time where there will be a notable improvement in resolution. But I don't want to encourage people get the tools necessary for an emulator to work (like a game ISO). {{User:Mario/Sig}} 20:57, July 27, 2014 (EDT)
::I'm uploading all of the images from the Prima e-guide because, like Mario just stated, I'm trying to be consistent with the icon images, which will make the tables uniform and easier on our feeble eyes. --[[User:XXSuperXXNintendoXx|XXSuperXXNintendoXx]] ([[User talk:XXSuperXXNintendoXx|talk]]) 21:11, July 27, 2014 (EDT)

==Semi-protect series/theme pages?==
Just reverted a few edits from a non-registered user that changed the capitalization of all the items on the page. This isn't the first time I've seen non-registered users do this, because our capitalization style does not match the in-game style. Should we semi-protect these pages or just revert the edits when we see them? --[[User:Sunmarsh|sunmarsh]] ([[User talk:Sunmarsh|talk]]) 19:44, July 31, 2014 (EDT)
:Looking at the locations of the IP contributions, I believe it's the same person? I'd just make a note on their talk page(s) about our new capitalization guidelines. Until it's a bigger problem, I'd avoid semi-protecting any articles, especially if they still need work. Thanks, <b>~<i>[[User:SuperHamster|<font color="#07517C">Super</font>]]</i>[[User:SuperHamster|<font color="#6FA23B">Hamster</font>]]</b> <small>[[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]]</small> 22:49, July 31, 2014 (EDT)
::I also disagree with semi-protecting series/theme pages for this little issue. Just assume good faith and notify the user. {{User:Mario/Sig}} 02:26, August 1, 2014 (EDT)

I think if someone lowercases a furniture item name, then we should let it be unless it's actually capitalized in-game(Such as the word "Gracie" or "Pave"). Most wikis about games use the in-game capitalization(For example the Tomodachi life wiki only capitalizes items that are capitalzed in-game and the Pokemon wiki always capitalized items because they are capitalzed in-game) (I'm not sure if it should be like this......)

--[[Special:Contributions/108.40.197.250|108.40.197.250]] 11:57, August 25, 2014 (EDT)
:As decided by public vote and noted in [[Nookipedia:Policy#10:_Capitalizing|Nookipedia Policy]], the first letter in all words of furniture items are to be capitalized. --[[User:Sunmarsh|sunmarsh]] ([[User talk:Sunmarsh|talk]]) 20:40, August 25, 2014 (EDT)

I do not agree.
--[[Special:Contributions/50.136.149.237|50.136.149.237]] 22:46, December 27, 2014 (EST)

==Images for AF e+ and prior==
I ordered Japanese guidebooks to AF+ and AF e+ and they arrived today. Just from flipping through the item sections its clear that the furniture models do not change from version to version. The only differences will be in image/print quality of the guidebooks. It would save a lot of time to scan in the contents of just one guide (plus the few items that are exclusive to the various games) rather than scanning every item from every guide. Is everyone in agreement with me on this? If so, I will scan in a test copy of the same series from each guide and we can discuss which one we like best. --[[User:Sunmarsh|sunmarsh]] ([[User talk:Sunmarsh|talk]]) 17:53, August 18, 2014 (EDT)
:For what I did for the fish chart, that is my methodology. As it is the same, just get the best version there is. <font color="#181818">~~</font>'''[[User:SuperAlpaca|<font color="#6b8e23">SuperAlpaca</font>]]''' <small>([[User talk:SuperAlpaca|<font color="#4a7d91">talk</font>]])</small> 18:04, August 18, 2014 (EDT)

Hm, on another note, maybe it's a good idea to start removing that yellow background on those images I uploaded. You know, so it doesn't look as if it came from New Leaf. That way, we can add those images for the furniture on every table, not just New Leaf's. {{User:Mario/Sig}} 16:02, August 19, 2014 (EDT)
:Well, there are some changes that were done to the furniture between AF e+ and New Leaf, so I think it's still a good idea to show the progression there as opposed to using the New Leaf images for everything. --[[User:Sunmarsh|sunmarsh]] ([[User talk:Sunmarsh|talk]]) 21:04, August 19, 2014 (EDT)
::I agree with Sunmarsh. Although gathering furniture images for every game in the series will be a hard and lengthy task, I believe it will have a beneficial outcome. --[[User:XXSuperXXNintendoXx|XXSuperXXNintendoXx]] ([[User talk:XXSuperXXNintendoXx|talk]]) 17:10, August 20, 2014 (EDT)

==Centering text in item tables==
I've noticed that a lot of the text values in item tables are centered individually by line. You can use the code: style="text-align:center" in the template code for the tables to have it center all table text. This would save a lot of time and reduce article size. If we all agree that the table text should be centered, I can make the changes to the templates? :) --[[User:Sunmarsh|sunmarsh]] ([[User talk:Sunmarsh|talk]]) 17:47, August 31, 2014 (EDT)
:I don't see the downside of centering everything in the table, especially in the furniture ones. I'd appreciate it if you add the parameter. :) {{User:Mario/Sig}} 16:40, September 7, 2014 (EDT)
::I've added it to the following templates: ItemList WW, ItemList CF, ItemList Decor, ItemList NL, and ItemList Decor NL. If I missed one let me know. All the AF templates should already have it as I included it when I created them. --[[User:Sunmarsh|sunmarsh]] ([[User talk:Sunmarsh|talk]]) 19:19, September 7, 2014 (EDT)

==Use of <nowiki>{{subst:ColorPrimary}} and {{subst:ColorSecondary}}</nowiki> in item tables==
These templates generate a different hexcode (color) for different seasons, allowing one to create elements whose color matches the site's changing theme. There was a mention of this [http://bulletinboardforums.com/threads/project-furniture-reboot.895/#post-18572 on the forums] but it never went anywhere. What are your guys' opinions on this? Should the item tables match the theme or should they stand out? Here's an example of what they might look like:

{| class="sortable" align="center" cellpadding="1px" style="width: 80%; text-align:center; border: 3px solid #67AD42" 
! style="border: 0px solid; background-color:#67AD42; color:#222;" | Item Name
! style="border: 2px solid #67AD42; background-color:#B7DCA3; color:#222;" | Image
! style="border: 2px solid #67AD42; background-color:#B7DCA3; color:#222;" | Buy Price
! style="border: 2px solid #67AD42; background-color:#B7DCA3; color:#222;" | Sell Price
! style="border: 2px solid #67AD42; background-color:#B7DCA3; color:#222;" | Available From
! style="border: 2px solid #67AD42; background-color:#B7DCA3; color:#222;" | Feng Shui Color
! style="border: 2px solid #67AD42; background-color:#B7DCA3; color:#222;" | [[Happy Room Academy|HHA]] Theme / Vibe
! style="border: 2px solid #67AD42; background-color:#B7DCA3; color:#222;" | Size (sq)
! style="border: 2px solid #67AD42; background-color:#B7DCA3; color:#222;" | Info
! style="border: 2px solid #67AD42; background-color:#B7DCA3; color:#222;" | Customizable?
|-
| Blue Bed
| [[File:Blue Bed (Blue - Yellow) NL Model.png|64px]]
| align="right" | 2,100
| align="right" | 525
| [[Nookling Stores|Timmy & Tommy]]
| {{yellow}} / {{blue}}
| Rustic/Basic
| 2
| Bed
| Yes
|-
| Blue Bench
| [[File:Blue Bench (Blue) NL Model.png|64px]]
| align="right" | 1,900
| align="right" | 475
| [[Nookling Stores|Timmy & Tommy]]
| {{blue}} (x2)
| Rustic/Basic
| 2
| Chair
| Yes
|-
| Blue Bookcase
| [[File:Blue Bookcase (Blue) NL Model.png|64px]]
| align="right" | 1,900
| align="right" | 475
| [[Nookling Stores|Timmy & Tommy]]
| {{blue}} (x2)
| Rustic/Basic
| 2
| -
| Yes
|}
--[[User:Sunmarsh|sunmarsh]] ([[User talk:Sunmarsh|talk]]) 16:50, September 12, 2014 (EDT)

::I prefer using a different color, and having more color variety on pages. On the furniture pages in particular, I like that the tables and navbox are similarly colored, although it turns out they're not as similar as I thought; in general, if colors are changed, I'd rather work toward having color themes for certain types of pages, and use the color templates in Nookipedia-related areas and things that don't need to be prevalent, but still available, like the potential header template for villagers. '''''[[User:Sky|<font color="#4682B4">-Sky</font>]] <small>[[User talk:Sky|<font color="#246092">(talk)</font>]]</small>''''' 22:23, September 12, 2014 (EDT)

:::I agree with the color variety idea and maintaining color themes according to page type. To that end, I've changed the colors of [[Template:Furniture]] to match the item tables a bit more. [[File:Sunmarshsignature.png|link=User:Sunmarsh]] '''<small><span style="font-variant:small-caps">([[User_talk:Sunmarsh|<span style="color:#7B7B7B">talk</span>]])</span></small>''' 18:53, October 14, 2014 (EDT)

==Item table revamp==
As we'll be editing the contents of many of the furniture pages, I thought that the item tables could use a bit of a revamp while we're at it. Here's my proposal: <s>(not sure why there's so much blank space before it, if anyone can figure that out... lemme know!)</s>
{{ItemList|game=NL}}
{{RowStart|Blue Bed}}
{{RowCenter|[[File:Blue Bed (Blue - Yellow) NL Model.png|64px]]}}
{{RowCenter|2,100}}
{{RowCenter|525}}
{{RowCenter|[[Nookling Stores|Timmy & Tommy]]}}
{{RowCenter|{{yellow}} / {{blue}}}}
{{RowCenter|Rustic}}
{{RowCenter|Basic}}
{{RowCenter|2}}
{{RowCenter|Bed}}
{{RowEnd|Yes}}
|-
{{RowStart|Blue Bench}}
{{RowCenter|[[File:Blue Bench (Blue) NL Model.png|64px]]}}
{{RowCenter|1,900}}
{{RowCenter|475}}
{{RowCenter|[[Nookling Stores|Timmy & Tommy]]}}
{{RowCenter|{{blue}} (x2)}}
{{RowCenter|Rustic}}
{{RowCenter|Basic}}
{{RowCenter|2}}
{{RowCenter|-}}
{{RowEnd|Yes}}
|-
{{RowStart|Blue Bureau}}
{{RowCenter|[[File:Blue Bureau (Blue) NL Model.png|64px]]}}
{{RowCenter|2,160}}
{{RowCenter|540}}
{{RowCenter|[[Nookling Stores|Timmy & Tommy]]}}
{{RowCenter|{{blue}} (x2)}}
{{RowCenter|Rustic}}
{{RowCenter|Basic}}
{{RowCenter|2}}
{{RowCenter|Storage}}
{{RowEnd|Yes}}
|}

I've applied the roundy template to various elements throughout the table, and have also created several new templates that should streamline item list creation. The main addition is [[Template:ItemList]] which allows you to use one template to generate game-specific item tables for any AC game simply by changing the parameter. The new tables make use of three additional templates: [[Template:RowStart]], [[Template:RowCenter]], and [[Template:RowEnd]] to provide for the roundy formatting of each table row. 

So what are your thoughts? Do you guys like the new table design? [[File:Sunmarshsignature.png|link=User:Sunmarsh]] '''<small><span style="font-variant:small-caps">([[User_talk:Sunmarsh|<span style="color:#7B7B7B">talk</span>]])</span></small>''' 18:53, October 14, 2014 (EDT)
:I like it - in my opinion, a great improvement. Nice job! That spacing issue is definitely weird...trying to look into it but for now, I have no idea either. <b>~<i>[[User:SuperHamster|<font color="#07517C">Super</font>]]</i>[[User:SuperHamster|<font color="#6FA23B">Hamster</font>]]</b> <small>[[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]]</small> 20:11, October 14, 2014 (EDT)
::I figured out the spacing issues. The #ifeq statements I was using were returning a value of nothing if they evaluated as false, which was creating line breaks. I realized I needed to use a #switch statement instead and that's fixed it. I've also converted the [[Blue Series]] to the new format if you'd like to see what a whole page would look like using the template. Any feedback would be appreciated. [[File:Sunmarshsignature.png|link=User:Sunmarsh]] '''<small><span style="font-variant:small-caps">([[User_talk:Sunmarsh|<span style="color:#7B7B7B">talk</span>]])</span></small>''' 21:05, October 14, 2014 (EDT)

First feedback would be fixing the formatting of this part of the page! '^^ {{User:Mario/Sig}} 16:36, October 26, 2014 (EDT)

:Apologies, Mario! I made a lot of changes to the template and it broke the display on this page. Fixed. ^^; [[File:Sunmarshsignature.png|link=User:Sunmarsh]] '''<small><span style="font-variant:small-caps">([[User_talk:Sunmarsh|<span style="color:#7B7B7B">talk</span>]])</span></small>''' 16:59, October 26, 2014 (EDT)

::It's all right, it's just a teensy mistake ultimately. :) Anyway, I have one question: is there any way to design the table so the yellow text colors stand out more? I think gold-yellow against white still isn't great for the eyes, but it's pretty much our only option when it comes to yellow. But again, I'm not sure which background color would work best when it comes to design, as I like the white background too... {{User:Mario/Sig}} 23:33, October 27, 2014 (EDT)