Item talk:NES (Animal Crossing)
Split DnM and DnM+ version of item to Item:Disk System (Doubutsu no Mori+)
We need to address this. This item's name as the NES is factually wrong when it's outputted on Doubutsu no Mori and Doubutsu no Mori+-related pages like Furniture/Doubutsu no Mori+, because the model of this item is not the NES, it's the Famicom Disk System. Note that while Doubutsu no Mori e+ does share the same name of the item, yet is modeled after the NES, it's more of Nintendo's fault for improperly localizing the item for Japan. Therefore, I propose to move the Doubutsu no Mori, Doubutsu no Mori+, and Dòngwù Sēnlín version of the NES item to Item:Disk System (Doubutsu no Mori+), and leave this page for the Animal Crossing and Doubutsu no Mori e+ version of the item.
In case anyone isn't aware with the situation with the NES/Famicom, there's a video by Akfamilyhome that explains more in detail as to the differences between the NES, the Famicom, and the Famicom Disk System here, but to summarize neither systems share the same components and hardware, they're shaped differently and neither can share ones controller, and each have their own exclusive games. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 14:27, November 22, 2022 (EST)
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Support this. Even if the items serve the same function, they are conceptually different, and it's not right to conflate the two anyway. After all, we don't cover the paintings that were directly replaced on the same page. I think if these split, it would also follow that Item:Well Model (Animal Crossing) is split into Item:Shrine Model (Doubutsu no Mori+) (currently a redirect), but maybe that should be a separate discussion. Chubby Bub (talk) 17:43, November 22, 2022 (EST)
Oppose — It's clear that the Disk System and NES are the same item, just with different designs. They are both based on the same thing, as the NES for all intents and purposes is the Western version of the Famicom; since the Disk System was never released outside of Japan, they changed the item to be just the console. It's really no different from something like the mailbox, where a Japanese-centric design of something was changed to its American equivalent. To address the issue of the NES name showing up in tables of DnM/DnM+ items, we could always add another name parameter to {{PGFurniture}} and query that for those lists. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 22:50, December 1, 2022 (EST)
- Counter-argument: we don't have pleasant feeling painting and classic painting under the same page, even if they share the same Japanese name. I also believe it would be tedious to go ahead and add a separate parameter just to fix the name of this item in cargo queries. The intend was to fix an inaccurate terminology that describes a furniture item's name, and as it stand the Disk System being labeled as NES in DnM+-related pages make us wholly inaccurate with how we cover first gen content. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 22:59, December 1, 2022 (EST)
- The pleasant feeling painting and classic painting are based on two completely different things and thus are two unique items; the latter replaced the former, it's not a different design of it. Washington Crossing the Delaware is not the American version of Olympia; they're two completely separate paintings. The NES on the other hand is the American version of the Famicom. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 00:13, December 2, 2022 (EST)
- As I pointed out before, the NES and Famicom are not the same entity. We can't say the NES is the American version of the Famicom, because stuff doesn't match up. Because if we go off that logic and consider the NES as the American version of the Famicom Disk System, it's totally invalid because the Famicom Disk System doesn't exist in Western world. By that logic, we should assume Animal Crossing as the Western version of Doubutsu no Mori+, or vice versa. The two aren't compatible, and we shouldn't hide the fact that it's not the NES for DnM/DnM+.
- The pleasant feeling painting and classic painting are based on two completely different things and thus are two unique items; the latter replaced the former, it's not a different design of it. Washington Crossing the Delaware is not the American version of Olympia; they're two completely separate paintings. The NES on the other hand is the American version of the Famicom. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 00:13, December 2, 2022 (EST)
- Counter-argument: we don't have pleasant feeling painting and classic painting under the same page, even if they share the same Japanese name. I also believe it would be tedious to go ahead and add a separate parameter just to fix the name of this item in cargo queries. The intend was to fix an inaccurate terminology that describes a furniture item's name, and as it stand the Disk System being labeled as NES in DnM+-related pages make us wholly inaccurate with how we cover first gen content. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 22:59, December 1, 2022 (EST)
- Back to the mailbox example, even if both feature different designs, they still are a mailbox. The Disk System and NES are not the NES by comparison. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 00:27, December 2, 2022 (EST)
- Support - Coming in late to say.. Come on! The NES and the Famicom I would consider equals, I admit that. But the Famicom Disk System does not exist internationally. Split 'em up. - Speedy ( Talk - Contributions - Log ) 06:04, July 3, 2023 (EDT)
