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:The quality of the image is really besides the point and the real question here is how we determine which image to feature in a character's infobox template. I feel like this topic has come up before but I can't find it in the Community Fountain archives. I also checked the Bulletin Board forums archive and couldn't find the discussion there either. Generally I think we would want to use officially sourced images from the most recent main-series game, the exception being when we have a better quality image from a non-main-series game. At this point, with {{NH|short|nolink}} around the corner it's a bit of a moot point. I imagine we'll be changing all the character art for the new game anyway so I think the issue will take care of itself. [[File:Sunmarshsignature.png|link=User:Sunmarsh]] '''<small><span style="font-variant:small-caps">([[User_talk:Sunmarsh|<span style="color:#7B7B7B">talk</span>]])</span></small>''' 11:12, January 4, 2020 (EST)
 
:The quality of the image is really besides the point and the real question here is how we determine which image to feature in a character's infobox template. I feel like this topic has come up before but I can't find it in the Community Fountain archives. I also checked the Bulletin Board forums archive and couldn't find the discussion there either. Generally I think we would want to use officially sourced images from the most recent main-series game, the exception being when we have a better quality image from a non-main-series game. At this point, with {{NH|short|nolink}} around the corner it's a bit of a moot point. I imagine we'll be changing all the character art for the new game anyway so I think the issue will take care of itself. [[File:Sunmarshsignature.png|link=User:Sunmarsh]] '''<small><span style="font-variant:small-caps">([[User_talk:Sunmarsh|<span style="color:#7B7B7B">talk</span>]])</span></small>''' 11:12, January 4, 2020 (EST)
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::Some background on this: when new villagers were released for ''Welcome amiibo'' (WA), we couldn't find official artwork of them, until we noticed that new images were appearing for the daily villager birthdays on [https://animal-crossing.com/ animal-crossing.com]. These images aren't edited by us; they're actually just that low-quality coming from Nintendo. In cases like [[Admiral]], where their last appearance was pre-NL, I think it makes perfect sense to use these WA artworks. For villagers that were in the base NL game and have both NL and WA artwork, that's where the debate is - do we want to use the original NL artwork, or use the lower-quality WA artworks which are basically variations of the original NL artworks? IMO we should stick with the original NL artwork, due to the quality issue and since it's all still technically the base game, but as Sunmarsh mentioned, I don't think it's a huge deal since March will bring artwork refreshes anyway. <b>~<i>[[User:SuperHamster|<span style="color:#07517C;">Super</span>]]</i>[[User:SuperHamster|<span style="color:#6FA23B;">Hamster</span>]]</b> <small>[[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]]</small> 16:56, January 4, 2020 (EST)
  
 
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Image category organization

I noticed that there's an incomplete organizational setup involving image categories in the wiki. There seems to be a useful category, Category:Animal Crossing: New Leaf pictures (see talk page), that was left unused mostly and I questioned if it's necessary. I do think there can be use for that category, but only if other similar subcategories of images are created (e.g. Animal Crossing: New Leaf flowers), so I think we should create more categories (while also completing this category) and if those subcategories make sense. Mario Signature.png™ 19:13, January 1, 2020 (EST)

This discussion could be an extension of 2019#Creation of subcategories for [[Category:(game) Images]]. Sorting things out would be great for those categories, but may require tedious work. I'm actually working on scripts that could do exactly that, which have to be sanctioned of course, but there needs to be some agreement on which categories are needed. I'm thinking of the following archetype for New Leaf, which still needs refinement:
Some of these may potentially be overkill (letters? or categories for types of clothing if there aren't much to begin with?) although the archetype shown above could be used as a basis for further discussion on this topic. My rationale for this is to facilitate searching for media, as the current Category:Animal Crossing: New Leaf Images is too polluted, and the only way to search for, for instance, a particular villager's picture is to go to their article. I have also noted the omission of Animal Crossing: in naming these categories, which can also be discussed. (Also can we archive discussions above this one to Nookipedia talk:Community Fountain/2019?) >Decomposerx20pxx20px 04:46, January 2, 2020 (EST)
I'm in agreement with all of these categories including the shortening of the category names to remove the leading 'Animal Crossing'. I would also propose that we put the system into place for all future images uploaded to the site and start retroactively organizing images beginning with New Leaf. One more note, we actually have lots of (non-HHD icon) images of ACNL furniture, they're just categorized in Category:Game Screenshots along with thousands of other images. I believe most of them were uploaded by Mario though, so we could find a good chunk of them by sorting through their contributions. Let me know if there's anything I can do to help with this. Sunmarshsignature.png (talk) 23:49, January 2, 2020 (EST)
I don't know if Administrators and whatnot have tools for mass editing all the pages linked in some page with specific criteria. For instance, all files in Picture that end with PicACWW.jpg are part of Category:Animal Crossing: Wild World pictures (apparently that category already exists!), and those ending in PicACNL.jpg should be part of Category:Animal Crossing: New Leaf pictures (but they aren't). I'm seeing if I can add arbitrary text (e.g., [[Category:New Leaf pictures]]\n) to all pages that are linked there that meet said criteria, and I will conduct a few tests in Pictures in the coming days before finally categorizing all of them. (For developers, the libraries I am writing are all in sonchou and go-mwclient.)
I think it's best that the categories be first created? Sunmarsh, if you strongly believe that these categories are appropriate, could you create them and populate with some pictures belonging to said categories, as well as move Category:Animal Crossing: New Leaf Images, Category:Animal Crossing: New Leaf screenshots, and other established categories, at least for New Leaf only, to their shortened forms? Because I'm thinking of waiting for other opinions on such a heavy topic (considering it deals with how we categorize Nookipedia media) and establishing consensus. >Decomposerx20pxx20px 00:52, January 3, 2020 (EST)
If they're overkill, that's fine. Just be bold. :) I did also upload a lot of images from the Prima Guide for New Leaf (RIP Prima), but didn't categorize them because the category, don't think it existed? We should definitely create more categories before more images get uploaded and we get swamped. Heck, I'm working on uploading custom furniture images. There should be a category for images of refurbished furniture (subcategory under furniture), by the way. Mario Signature.png™ 01:01, January 3, 2020 (EST)
I've made all of the proposed categories for Animal Crossing: New Leaf and Animal Crossing: New Horizons and tried to tag all the old categories with move requests, but I'm sure I missed some. We have a text-replacement tool, so it would be relatively simple to move all images from one category to another, however to my knowledge, there would be no way to select just a subset of images in a category to recategorize. HotCat which makes the process quicker but still requires per-image category adjustment; this tool is available to everyone. Also I didn't mean to place any blame on you Mario for not categorizing the images- we didn't have a system set up at the time. I appreciate the time taken to upload all the images in the first place! Smily.png I'll move some sample images into the new categories where available and will move existing categories to their new location over the next few days, if there are no objections. Sunmarshsignature.png (talk) 15:00, January 3, 2020 (EST)
Just wanted to update here that I had placed at least one image in each of the newly created categories. I will be mass-replacing categories tomorrow (e.g. Category:Animal Crossing: New Leaf Images becomes Category:New Leaf images) and then deleting the old categories. So speak now or forever hold your piece lol. Sunmarshsignature.png (talk)

Enhanced artwork

Why do we have edited images of villagers as a stand-in over the original art? Mario Signature.png™ 22:14, January 3, 2020 (EST)

Just an FYI for others who may not have seen the original conversation, this is a continuation of the discussion at File talk:Gulliver NLa.png. And I don't have an answer for your question lol... It seems that these were assets taken from the official animal-crossing website per vmario97. I think it's the lack of anti-aliasing that makes them look pixelated/grainy.
The quality of the image is really besides the point and the real question here is how we determine which image to feature in a character's infobox template. I feel like this topic has come up before but I can't find it in the Community Fountain archives. I also checked the Bulletin Board forums archive and couldn't find the discussion there either. Generally I think we would want to use officially sourced images from the most recent main-series game, the exception being when we have a better quality image from a non-main-series game. At this point, with New Horizons around the corner it's a bit of a moot point. I imagine we'll be changing all the character art for the new game anyway so I think the issue will take care of itself. Sunmarshsignature.png (talk) 11:12, January 4, 2020 (EST)
Some background on this: when new villagers were released for Welcome amiibo (WA), we couldn't find official artwork of them, until we noticed that new images were appearing for the daily villager birthdays on animal-crossing.com. These images aren't edited by us; they're actually just that low-quality coming from Nintendo. In cases like Admiral, where their last appearance was pre-NL, I think it makes perfect sense to use these WA artworks. For villagers that were in the base NL game and have both NL and WA artwork, that's where the debate is - do we want to use the original NL artwork, or use the lower-quality WA artworks which are basically variations of the original NL artworks? IMO we should stick with the original NL artwork, due to the quality issue and since it's all still technically the base game, but as Sunmarsh mentioned, I don't think it's a huge deal since March will bring artwork refreshes anyway. ~SuperHamster Talk 16:56, January 4, 2020 (EST)
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