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Post new topics below! Drago (talk) 11:03, January 1, 2019 (EST)

Image category organization

I noticed that there's an incomplete organizational setup involving image categories in the wiki. There seems to be a useful category, Category:Animal Crossing: New Leaf pictures (see talk page), that was left unused mostly and I questioned if it's necessary. I do think there can be use for that category, but only if other similar subcategories of images are created (e.g. Animal Crossing: New Leaf flowers), so I think we should create more categories (while also completing this category) and if those subcategories make sense. ™ 19:13, January 1, 2020 (EST)

This discussion could be an extension of 2019#Creation of subcategories for [[Category:(game) Images]]. Sorting things out would be great for those categories, but may require tedious work. I'm actually working on scripts that could do exactly that, which have to be sanctioned of course, but there needs to be some agreement on which categories are needed. I'm thinking of the following archetype for New Leaf, which still needs refinement:

• Category:New Leaf images (Rationale for such format: (1) Category:Welcome amiibo Images uses the short name, (2) Category:Animal Crossing: New Horizons images uses lowercase images, and (3) "New Leaf" and so on are already unambiguous.)
  • Category:New Leaf screenshots (most screenshots in Category:Animal Crossing: New Leaf Images that don't apply in subsequent categories)
    • Category:New Leaf pre-release screenshots (Category:Animal Crossing: New Leaf pre-release images could be moved to this since there are only images of screenshots and nothing else in said category)
  • Category:New Leaf villager houses (File:House of Etoile NLa.jpg), could be a subcategory of Category:Villager houses
  • Category:New Leaf letters (File:Letter Isabelle NL Town Anniversary.jpg and in Category:Letters)
  • Category:New Leaf events (File:Toy Day NL wrong present aftermath.jpg)
  • Category:New Leaf pictures (File:ResettiPicACNL.png; also why are most pictures in Category:Welcome amiibo Images?!
  • Category:New Leaf furniture (File:24 Hour Counter.jpg; there doesn't seem to be much since we're using HHD icons)
  • Category:New Leaf sprites (File:30,000 Bells NL Icon.png)
  • Category:New Leaf clothing
    • Category:New Leaf bottoms (File:Arctic-camo Pants.jpg and in Category:Bottoms)
    • Category:New Leaf tops (File:Blue Diamond Shirt.jpg and in Category:Tops)
    • Category:New Leaf dresses (File:Pharaoh's Outfit.jpg and in Category:Dresses)
    • Category:New Leaf footwear (including socks and shoes)
  • Category:New Leaf bugs (File:New Leaf Museum Butterflies.jpg)
  • Category:New Leaf fish (File:NL-fsh-suzuki.png and most in Category:Fish Images)
  • Category:New Leaf deep sea creatures (File:Lobster NL.png)
  • Category:New Leaf character art (File:Angus NL.png and File:Katie NLa.png)
  • Category:New Leaf model renders (File:Chip NL Model.png; should not include those such as File:NL-fsh-suzuki.png)

Some of these may potentially be overkill (letters? or categories for types of clothing if there aren't much to begin with?) although the archetype shown above could be used as a basis for further discussion on this topic. My rationale for this is to facilitate searching for media, as the current Category:Animal Crossing: New Leaf Images is too polluted, and the only way to search for, for instance, a particular villager's picture is to go to their article. I have also noted the omission of Animal Crossing: in naming these categories, which can also be discussed. (Also can we archive discussions above this one to Nookipedia talk:Community Fountain/2019?) >Decomposerx20pxx20px 04:46, January 2, 2020 (EST)

I'm in agreement with all of these categories including the shortening of the category names to remove the leading 'Animal Crossing'. I would also propose that we put the system into place for all future images uploaded to the site and start retroactively organizing images beginning with New Leaf. One more note, we actually have lots of (non-HHD icon) images of ACNL furniture, they're just categorized in Category:Game Screenshots along with thousands of other images. I believe most of them were uploaded by Mario though, so we could find a good chunk of them by sorting through their contributions. Let me know if there's anything I can do to help with this. (talk) 23:49, January 2, 2020 (EST)

I don't know if Administrators and whatnot have tools for mass editing all the pages linked in some page with specific criteria. For instance, all files in Picture that end with PicACWW.jpg are part of Category:Animal Crossing: Wild World pictures (apparently that category already exists!), and those ending in PicACNL.jpg should be part of Category:Animal Crossing: New Leaf pictures (but they aren't). I'm seeing if I can add arbitrary text (e.g., [[Category:New Leaf pictures]]\n) to all pages that are linked there that meet said criteria, and I will conduct a few tests in Pictures in the coming days before finally categorizing all of them. (For developers, the libraries I am writing are all in sonchou and go-mwclient.)

I think it's best that the categories be first created? Sunmarsh, if you strongly believe that these categories are appropriate, could you create them and populate with some pictures belonging to said categories, as well as move Category:Animal Crossing: New Leaf Images, Category:Animal Crossing: New Leaf screenshots, and other established categories, at least for New Leaf only, to their shortened forms? Because I'm thinking of waiting for other opinions on such a heavy topic (considering it deals with how we categorize Nookipedia media) and establishing consensus. >Decomposerx20pxx20px 00:52, January 3, 2020 (EST)

If they're overkill, that's fine. Just be bold. :) I did also upload a lot of images from the Prima Guide for New Leaf (RIP Prima), but didn't categorize them because the category, don't think it existed? We should definitely create more categories before more images get uploaded and we get swamped. Heck, I'm working on uploading custom furniture images. There should be a category for images of refurbished furniture (subcategory under furniture), by the way. ™ 01:01, January 3, 2020 (EST)

I've made all of the proposed categories for Animal Crossing: New Leaf and Animal Crossing: New Horizons and tried to tag all the old categories with move requests, but I'm sure I missed some. We have a text-replacement tool, so it would be relatively simple to move all images from one category to another, however to my knowledge, there would be no way to select just a subset of images in a category to recategorize. HotCat which makes the process quicker but still requires per-image category adjustment; this tool is available to everyone. Also I didn't mean to place any blame on you Mario for not categorizing the images- we didn't have a system set up at the time. I appreciate the time taken to upload all the images in the first place! I'll move some sample images into the new categories where available and will move existing categories to their new location over the next few days, if there are no objections. (talk) 15:00, January 3, 2020 (EST)

Just wanted to update here that I had placed at least one image in each of the newly created categories. I will be mass-replacing categories tomorrow (e.g. Category:Animal Crossing: New Leaf Images becomes Category:New Leaf images) and then deleting the old categories. So speak now or forever hold your piece lol. (talk)

Another update: All existing ACNL & ACNH categories and their images have been migrated to the new categories. Let me know if I missed any. I tried to fix any templates that would be affected by this (like Infobox Villager, Fish, and Bug), and I think I got them all, but I'm sure there is something I missed. If you know of a template that uses #incat: you might want to check it. (talk) 21:21, January 5, 2020 (EST)

?Final? update: Categories for all games (that I could find) have been moved to their new location. I double checked the former categories to make sure no images were left behind. I also checked to make sure that any templates that are using #incat: have been updated appropriately. The only thing left to do is to make sure all uploaded images have been (properly) categorized, and I suppose sometime down the line we might want to consider creating additional category pages for games prior to New Leaf to further categorize those images. (talk) 16:35, January 6, 2020 (EST)

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Excellent work in recategorizing and populating, all! Regarding other games than New Leaf, the above archetype can be modified to suit each game, depending on the media available in each of Category:Images by game:

• Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) images (should supersede Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) Images)
  • Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) screenshots (already exists but some images here could be recategorized e.g., to letters or events)
  • Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) sprites (File:10,000 Bells PG Icon.png and those that end in PG Icon.png or InventoryACGC.png)
  • Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) cover art (File:AbleSistersArtworkGCN.jpeg, File:ACHouseWallpaper.jpg)
  • Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) merchandise (File:ACGCCalendarFront.png)
  • Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) letters (File:Letter Mom someone special ACGC.png and in Category:Letters)
  • Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) events (File:PGKatrinaNewYearsDayAdvice.png, File:FireworksAC.jpg)
  • Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) bugs (File:GCNPillBug.png and GCN(BugName).png, although somehow there are also File:RedDragonFlyGCN.png and File:Red Dragonfly (Animal Crossing).png, which follow different naming conventions)
  • Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) fish (should supersede Category:Animal Forest+ fish) (File:Giant Catfish PG Icon.png, File:Giant Catfish sprite.png, and File:AngelfishGCN.png all have different naming conventions)
  • Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) character art (File:Ace PG.png and (Character) PG.png, but also Resetti PG Japan.png and (Character) PG Japan.png)
  • Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) model renders (File:Ellie PG Model.png and (Character) PG model.png)
• Category:Doubutsu no Mori images (should supersede Category:Doubutsu no Mori Images as per lowercase discussion)
• Category:Doubutsu no Mori e+ images (should supersede Category:Doubutsu no Mori e+ Images as per lowercase discussion)
• Category:Animal Island images (should be a subcategory of the parent categories above for GameCube series as Animal Island appears in all those titles—or should this be a separate parent category?)
• Category:Wild World images
• Category:City Folk images
• Category:Happy Home Designer images (see discussion in Category talk:Animal Crossing: New Leaf pictures)
• Category:Amiibo Festival images (should supersede Category:Amiibo Festival Images as per lowercase discussion)

(The above list is incomplete and anyone is free to expound on them. I will be expounding much more on the following day.) The following are further comments and realizations in writing the above list:

1. Category:New Leaf furniture may be inconsistent with Category:Wild World furniture items. Migrating the former to the latter format could be done by hand since it's only nine images, although I'm more inclined towards the former, which may require mass renaming. Rationale is that (Game) furniture can also contain the furniture series available to such a game, whereas (Game) furniture items would sound less "natural". See below point.
2. Category:New Leaf bugs is a category containing the bugs available for New Leaf, but can also contain the media for said bugs. Similarly, categories (Game) bugs and (Game) fish could do the same. I was thinking of doing something like Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) bug images, but that may be too unnecessary.
3. I have noted above that Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) fish should supersede Category:Animal Forest+ fish. The vocabulary used in Nookipedia when referring to the GameCube games does not seem to be uniform: we have three words for the localized release: Animal Forest+ (Category:New characters in Animal Forest +), Doubutsu no Mori+ (Doubutsu no Mori+, whose merge with Animal Crossing (GCN) is pending), and Animal Crossing (GCN) (Category:Animal Crossing (GCN) Images). (I treated the two as one game since w:Animal Crossing (video game) states that Animal Crossing is just Doubutsu no Mori+ (どうぶつの森＋)) A similar situation is seen in Animal Forest e+ (Category:Animal Forest e+ bugs) and Doubutsu no Mori e+ (Category:Doubutsu no Mori e+ Images). The deletion of Template:AF, Template:AF+, and Template:AFe+ should signal that the Animal Forest name should be superseded by Doubutsu no Mori, Animal Crossing (GCN), and Doubutsu no Mori e+.
4. Some files have really weird naming conventions as shown above, with some types of images being more uniform (e.g., House of (Character) (GameShort).jpg and (Character) (GameShort).jpg for villager houses and character art), and other types being, well, like File:Giant Catfish PG Icon.png, File:Giant Catfish sprite.png, and File:AngelfishGCN.png. Discussion about media nomenclature could be done as another topic here, which should base from precedent and Nookipedia:Project Images, although categorization could be done first and, once images are in their respective categories, they can be renamed using a set of rules.

Any further comments and suggestions on everything written above? >Decomposerx20pxx20px 09:54, January 7, 2020 (EST)

Enhanced artwork

Why do we have edited images of villagers as a stand-in over the original art? ™ 22:14, January 3, 2020 (EST)

Just an FYI for others who may not have seen the original conversation, this is a continuation of the discussion at File talk:Gulliver NLa.png. And I don't have an answer for your question lol... It seems that these were assets taken from the official animal-crossing website per vmario97. I think it's the lack of anti-aliasing that makes them look pixelated/grainy.

The quality of the image is really besides the point and the real question here is how we determine which image to feature in a character's infobox template. I feel like this topic has come up before but I can't find it in the Community Fountain archives. I also checked the Bulletin Board forums archive and couldn't find the discussion there either. Generally I think we would want to use officially sourced images from the most recent main-series game, the exception being when we have a better quality image from a non-main-series game. At this point, with New Horizons around the corner it's a bit of a moot point. I imagine we'll be changing all the character art for the new game anyway so I think the issue will take care of itself. (talk) 11:12, January 4, 2020 (EST)

Some background on this: when new villagers were released for Welcome amiibo (WA), we couldn't find official artwork of them, until we noticed that new images were appearing for the daily villager birthdays on animal-crossing.com. These images aren't edited by us; they're actually just that low-quality coming from Nintendo. In cases like Admiral, where their last appearance was pre-NL, I think it makes perfect sense to use these WA artworks. For villagers that were in the base NL game and have both NL and WA artwork, that's where the debate is - do we want to use the original NL artwork, or use the lower-quality WA artworks which are basically variations of the original NL artworks? IMO we should stick with the original NL artwork, due to the quality issue and since it's all still technically the base game, but as Sunmarsh mentioned, I don't think it's a huge deal since March will bring artwork refreshes anyway. ~SuperHamster Talk 16:56, January 4, 2020 (EST)