Talk:Secret song

Separate pages for NH invalid songs

I am proposing independent pages are also created for the invalid songs in New Horizons. Here is why:

• These are actual songs in the game's code. They are included in the game's internal list of songs, and have unobtainable items with parameters for music items. The item names, regardless of language, are "はずれ01", "はずれ02", and "はずれ03" respectively. Each K.K. song also has an internal name, used both for the audio file and as an item parameter. (e.g. "K.K. Chorale"'s internal name is "Sanbika".) For these songs, they are simply "Hazure01", "Hazure02", and "Hazure03"— pretty straightforward.
• This wiki had pages for "Animal City", "Drivin", and "Farewell" long before New Horizons; the only difference was the names for these songs were (roughly) known because they were included in the game files instead of being given placeholder names. I say roughly because they were the Japanese names, so the latter two pages used to be called "Drive" and "Goodbye". Thankfully the official English names ended up being pretty similar, or the same in the first case.
• As a note, these songs also have numbers, once again both in the audio files and item parameters. Oddly, unlike past games where invalid songs were given the next three numbers, they are #901, #902, and #903. I suspect in the next game they will actually be #96, #97, and #98.

So, I think these songs merit their own pages titled "Hazure01", "Hazure02" and "Hazure03" (italicized because these are transliterations of the actual item names), as currently these are the official names. Whenever the next game comes out and these are given actual names and numbers, we can change them. Chubby Bub (talk) 21:28, May 24, 2021 (EDT)

 Oppose I don't really think the invalid songs in their current state have enough material to warrant their own pages. Perhaps the mechanic of invalid songs could be its own page (but even then, I'm 50/50 on that idea), but for each and every current invalid song to have its own page, I don't think it's worth the effort. TurtleCrossing of the Turtle Tribe 22:10, May 24, 2021 (EDT)

I don't think invalid songs as a mechanic need their own page, because that's closely intertwined with secret songs and is aptly described here. I suppose we could also just create the pages to redirect to the "In New Horizons" section of this page. Speaking of which, something I've failed to mention is that the links at the very least will be necessary, whether their own pages or redirects— for people searching for the song, linking on other music pages ("Hazure01" is already referenced on several pages due to being a remix of the WW/CF title), and I think they should be at least mentioned beyond "invalid songs exist" at List of K.K. Slider songs. I guess to reiterate my thinking: they are unobtainable, but they are still K.K. songs. Chubby Bub (talk) 22:28, May 24, 2021 (EDT)

I would  Support redirecting these to Secret song#In New Horizons, but I would  Oppose creating individual pages for them since there's not really to much to say about them aside from their composition, which is already noted on the secret song page. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 22:33, May 24, 2021 (EDT)

Yeah, I think redirects are the best way to go, so I  Support that, as well. TurtleCrossing of the Turtle Tribe 22:37, May 24, 2021 (EDT)

 Support for the redirect,  Oppose for individual pages, though as a sidenote, I do think we should also list the live versions of the invalid New Horizons songs in Secret songs. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 22:58, May 24, 2021 (EDT)