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New block policy

Proposal: New block policy
It's time for our first Nookipedia Proposal! To kick things off, I'm going to re-propose a new block policy I wrote a few months ago. Only two votes were cast before the discussion became inactive, so I thought it would make sense to revive it as our first official Proposal (the original discussion is here.) I've made a couple of changes since then (relating to partial blocks and talk page editing), so I'm pretty sure that the policy is complete now. As before, please review it and let me know what you think. Thank you! Drago (talk) Drago PC Villager Icon.png 13:24, December 9, 2021 (EST)
Comments:
  • Great work putting this together, Drago! I've given it a final read and everything looks tip-top. Smily.png Sunmarshsignature.png (talk) 21:06, December 10, 2021 (EST)
  • This proposal is well written and certainly more comprehensive than our current policy. There are a few very minor changes I wish to make to the Username and Director Block sections, but those changes do not stand in the way of this proposal in its current form. -Jake (talk) 17:07, December 13, 2021 (EST)
Votes:
Result: (100%) Passed. The proposal was enacted by Drago (talk) Drago PC Villager Icon.png 11:28, December 17, 2021 (EST).

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Namespace for e-Reader and amiibo cards

Proposal: Namespace for e-Reader and amiibo cards
Nearly a year ago, AlexBot proposed the creation of e-Reader card pages, and many ideas came forward, including the creation of a Card namespace particularly to also add amiibo cards. However, 4 months later, I later proposed that both e-Reader and amiibo pages get separate namespaces for e-Reader cards and amiibo, as the Card namespace would leave out amiibo figurines. Therefore, this proposal will come down to two options: Either we create the Card namespace, or we create the E-Reader Card and Amiibo namespaces. -- PanchamBro (talkcontributions) 07:45, May 19, 2022 (EDT)
Comments:
  • I think it would be better to create Amiibo and E-Reader Card namespaces. Because it will be easier to tell the cards apart and it will be more convenient than creating a Card namespace. Kalina (talk) Pikachu Sig Icon.png 20:12, May 21, 2022 (CET)
  • I haven’t had time to review this proposal in enough detail to render a vote yet, but if we did do a namespace for cards, it would likely need to just be one for both card types. Per MediaWiki docs, namespaces are intended to differentiate pages at a “very high level”, and also require additional backend work to maintain. The scope of a namespace is far too large to be narrowed to just a single type of card, that kind of differentiation would be better handled through the title (as is done with item pages across games) and with categories. -Jake (talk) 20:17, May 21, 2022 (EDT)
  • As a collector of both types of cards, I've been adding some information on them, so I really like this idea for individual pages. On the namespace issue, I recall someone suggested a Merchandise namespace. Examples for such page titles in my mind, similar to what I said on the last proposal:
  • The problem with this is we wouldn’t necessarily want individual pages for all types of merchandise as the name implies. While more obscure collectibles like Mori o Tsukurou! figurines and Millefeui Cards could theoretically have their own pages, unlike the interactive e-Reader cards and amiibo they don't really have anything to be documented on pages of their own. I feel like "Merchandise" and "Collectible" are thus misleadingly broad namespace titles. If we document amiibo cards, figures definitely need to be documented too though, because they have unique functionality compared to cards. So personally, I like the idea of two separate namespaces but if this is too difficult or tedious to maintain technically, there could be a single namespace, but it must have a clear and better name. Chubby Bub (talk) 02:59, May 22, 2022 (EDT)
    • Unless I'm mistaken, I don't think having a new namespace would force the general merchandise pages to be split into individual ones, would it? I feel like there wouldn't be much issue with general and individual merchandise articles co-existing under one namespace. Though if that wouldn't work, I was also thinking the new namespace could just be titled "Interactive". Senor Mexicano (talk) 13:59, May 24, 2022 (EDT)
    • I didn't mean it would force other merchandise to have individual pages, just that the name Merchandise would imply that such pages might exist when they wouldn't. In fact, I'd say Merchandise is not a good name because the majority of merchandise is fine being covered in the Main namespace. Unless there are significant downsides to having two more namespaces, I am actually strongly in favor of an e-Reader one and an amiibo one. The way the two work and the data they carry is not all that similar. Chubby Bub (talk) 18:22, May 25, 2022 (EDT)
Votes:
Result: (??%) The proposal received 3 out of 3 support votes, as users generally agree that some namespace(s) should be created to document e-Reader cards, amiibo cards, and amiibo figurines. However, there are multiple suggestions about which namespaces, and multiple suggestions involving their names.

Jake has advised against separating them as "Amiibo" and E-Reader Card" due to MediaWiki standards. But the majority community consensus seems to be using these 2 namespaces, in order to avoid excluding amiibo figurines. While I personally that using these 2 namespaces makes sense, given that amiibo cards shares much more functionality with amiibo figures compared to e-Reader cards, Jake's opinion is more important in this matter, as he is the one who is well-versed with MediaWiki docs.

1 namespace involving all 3 types of merchandise has been suggested; this would be the best solution, so that amiibo cards, amiibo figurines, and e-Reader cards can all be documented. In the Nookipedia Discord, Jake has also agreed that this would be an ideal solution. Unfortunately, there are no official names that are inclusive for all 3 types, and users are divided on which one to choose. (Merchandise? Very broad and may be misleading as other types of merchandise may not be documented. Interactive? Scannable? Collectible?)

While the initial proposal was very clear with a binary choice, the community is still divisive on certain specifics. Jake has (semi-vetoed) the option that has had the most votes (Amiibo and E-Reader namespaces). So although the proposal "passed" with a 100% vote, the choice with the most votes does not pass. This is a unique situation, as the complexity of this topic has resulted in a slight contradiction of the rule that states the components of the proposal should not be vague.

I apologize for denying a proposal that has technically passed, but this may require more discussion in Nookipedia talk:The Roost before it should be proposed again. Due to the (semi-)veto of the most popular choice, consensus seems to be leaning towards choosing 1 namespace that includes all 3 types of merchandise. My suggestion for the next discussion point is a poll involving multiple options on the potential name for the single namespace (Merchandise, Interactive, Scannable, Collectible, Other (specify))

Denying the proposal until a new namespace name is submitted. HylianAngel (talk) 05:53, July 4, 2022 (EDT).

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(Re)separate Doubutsu no Mori+ and Dòngwù Sēnlín

Proposal: (Re)separate Doubutsu no Mori+ and Dòngwù Sēnlín
Yeah, it's this discussion again. This (well, the first part) was discussed on Talk:Doubutsu no Mori+ since 2018, and the page was merged with Animal Crossing in 2020. However, the wiki has evolved since then, recent as it may seem, and I strongly believe it would be beneficial to have these pages separate again.

Though I suspect everyone who will participate in this proposal knows this, a brief overview:

  • Doubutsu no Mori was released for the Nintendo 64 on April 14, 2001, in Japan only.
  • Doubutsu no Mori+ was released for the Nintendo GameCube on December 14, 2001, a port of Doubutsu no Mori with many more features added, again in Japan only.
  • Animal Crossing was released for the GameCube in 2002 in North America, and in 2003 and 2004 in other regions. Although it is the international version of Doubutsu no Mori+, it added new events, characters, and other features.
  • Doubutsu no Mori e+ was released for the GameCube in 2003 in Japan only, giving Japan the new features introduced in Animal Crossing and other new, exclusive features.
  • Dòngwù Sēnlín was released for the iQue Player, a console that ported N64 games– in this instance Doubutsu no Mori– to China, in 2006. Though not much is known about this version due to its obscurity and technical difficulties, we know items were changed/added as well as events and villager houses, at the very least.

So first: currently Doubutsu no Mori+ and Animal Crossing are at the same page, the former a redirect to the latter. (This makes sense as this is an English wiki, I can only assume if this were a Japanese wiki we'd do the opposite.) It is correct that Doubutsu no Mori+ and Animal Crossing are two regional versions of the same game. Nintendo has made it clear when they overview the series in Japan that the first three games are Doubutsu no Mori, Doubutsu no Mori+ and Doubutsu no Mori e+. Also, DnM+'s game ID is GAFJ and AC's is GAFE in America. The first letter indicates the system (G - GameCube), the second and third the game (AF/AE - Animal Forest/Animal Forest e+, I assume), the last the region (J- Japan, E - North America). (For reference, DnM's ID is NAFJ (N - N64) and AC in Europe/Australia is GAFP (P - PAL); the iQue Player uses a different system.) So, to be very clear, I am not contending that Doubutsu no Mori+ and Animal Crossing are two different versions of the same game; rather, I accept this and still believe they should have separate pages. Here's why:

Nookipedia is an encyclopedia about a video game series. We cover the contents of the games and gameplay. As such, gameplay differences are an important aspect to cover. More recently, through datamining and the creation of the AC Spreadsheets and Item pages, many more differences beyond "they added a couple characters and events" have come to light. This includes, but is not limited to: the way items are obtained, many items being removed and added, most events being changed, the way passwords work, the way e-Reader cards work, songs being added or replaced, character/item appearance changes, and villager house interiors. These may be two different versions of the same game, but major aspects of the gameplay differ significantly. The premise for merging the pages was that they have "relatively few differences" or "minor differences", which is simply untrue.

Furthermore, people looking for information on Doubutsu no Mori+ are generally not looking for info on Animal Crossing, and vice versa. The only reason for Template:DnM+ to be used is in comparison to other games with gameplay differences– yet the link redirects you to one of those pages. If a casual reader reads "in Doubutsu no Mori+ x, but in Animal Crossing y" yet both link to Animal Crossing, this serves as a point of confusion. Then, it isn't immediately apparent by looking at that page that the two are regional versions of the same game. Also, I've on occasion seen Doubutsu no Mori+ replaced with something like "the Japanese version of Animal Crossing" or "Animal Crossing (Japan)", which again, while technically true, paints a picture that is not exactly true. Regardless of the outcome of this proposal, I would discourage this type of language.

So all of that is why I think the games should be not be not be on the same page. But neither should they be considered separate games, just acknowledged as separate versions. Since this is an English wiki, most users will likely be looking for information on Animal Crossing, and that should still be our primary page for the two, especially where things are the same in-game. But Doubutsu no Mori+ should be its own page detailing its release and gameplay, what it added, etc. As for the Version differences sections on game pages, they should detail the differences added compared to the prior version. This reasoning is also why the PAL version of Animal Crossing does not need to be split; there are no significant gameplay differences, just minor model changes and at most moving the date of a couple holidays. (Well, that we know of...)

All of the above is also why I think Dòngwù Sēnlín should also have a separate page. While we know a lot less about it, we do know that it is significantly different from Doubutsu no Mori, and that includes item differences. I also think it should get its own linking template (even if we don't split the pages)– Dòngwù Sēnlín is a pain to type out, and again, I think things like "the iQue Player version of Doubutsu no Mori" should be avoided. The short version should probably be "iQue", since "DS" could cause confusion with the handheld console, and also just seems kind of silly to me.

The last part of this proposal is clarifying that this shouldn't only split the game pages, but related pages such as Furniture/Animal Crossing, where there are differences. The way those pages are currently handled is another point of confusion. Dòngwù Sēnlín items should also get their own pages in the Item namespace.

I know this was a long post, but well, proposals tend to be, and there was a lot to cover, so thanks for reading it. (Well, I hope you did.) Chubby Bub (talk) 04:51, August 10, 2022 (EDT)

Comments:
  • Great proposal! Both Doubutsu no Mori+ and Dòngwù Sēnlín have enough differences from Animal Crossing and Doubutsu no Mori, respectively (enough that the regional differences sections take up a large chunk of both pages), to warrant having their own pages to cover said differences (as well as separate item lists and terminology when referring to the games in articles). I also agree with having {{iQue}} as a shorthand for Dòngwù Sēnlín and creating pages for that game's exclusive items (if/when that data is datamined). ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 21:48, August 10, 2022 (EDT)
Votes:

Support Support TimeSword3D (talk) 09:32, August 10, 2022 (EDT)
Support Support Senor Mexicano (talk) 16:16, August 10, 2022 (EDT)
Support Support Dr. Peach (talk) 18:02, August 10, 2022 (EDT)
Support Support ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 21:48, August 10, 2022 (EDT)
Support Support -- PanchamBro (talkcontributions) 08:45, August 11, 2022 (EDT)
Support Support Kalina (talk) Pikachu Sig Icon.png 15:40, August 11, 2022 (CET)
Support Support The Messenger(talk) 18:19, August 14, 2022 (EDT)
Support Support 🤓🌸ToadetteFan007 (Talk) 🌸🤓 12:19, August 15, 2022 (EDT)

Result: (100%) Passed. The proposal was enacted by ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 01:13, August 18, 2022 (EDT).

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Implement new Nookipedia:Polls policy

Proposal: Implement new Nookipedia:Polls policy
A couple of months ago, I suggested reviving the idea of polls on the wiki, and a majority were in support of the idea. As such, I've devised a new policy in regards how the main page polls will work from now on here. To summarize:
  • This policy will call for the switching of the poll every 1st and 15th of every month.
  • A poll committee will be established, tasked with selecting the new poll for the main page. They will start a session to discuss what poll to use a week before the poll is switched out.
  • Guidelines on what a poll should be (poll related to the Animal Crossing series; minimum of three choices, maximum of ten; question are straightforward, simple; lighthearted poll only, no controversial ones; users have the option to display their username for suggesting the poll).
  • Guidelines on how to start a poll and how to archive a poll.

That's a lot to take in, but hopefully if this system is implemented, our main page poll system would work. -- PanchamBro (talkcontributions) 21:38, September 20, 2022 (EDT)

Comments:
Votes:
Result: (100%) Passed. The proposal was enacted by ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 18:08, September 28, 2022 (EDT).

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